Finding Resilience in the Face of Disinformation

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No one disputes the contributions of the Ancients - Sumerians, Phoenicians, Egyptians, Persians, Chinese, Indians.
But I’m getting confused. Are you recommending we re-wind to the days of old, an unraveling of Liberal Democracy, back into the vast history of caste based systems?

Given that my family came from “modest” backgrounds, I kind of like not having these caste systems that enabled Egyptians to “donate their time”, meanwhile their slaves toiled in the quarries.

It’s almost as if you ignore all the wars, famines, plagues of the ancient past. You seemingly ignore the periods of conquest, enslavements, genocides, and “leave no two stones stacked, salt the fields, kill all male children” destruction of competing civilizations. Or was this all just a disinformation campaign by the ruling elite, and subsequent historians?

There were no devastating invasions, no plagues from far off lands, no famines in the Mediterranean?

You mention ignorance of anything outside Western Civilization. Did Western Civilization introduce any positive societal innovations over caste based systems of the East? Was it all “dumb luck” that the nations favored for immigration are all Western? Or perhaps a disinformation campaign?

So now that the Age of Imperialism, at least by the West, has ended which “Eastern” cultures do you see blossoming into Integral Societies? China, Egypt, India, Pakistan, Turkey? It does seem the genocide in Iraq (Sumerian homeland) has subsided somewhat. Is the Persian society more Integral today than they were 100 years ago? 200 years ago? Saudi Arabia - land of Mohammad - has given women the ability to drive their own cars - that’s some progress.

Almost all of Polynesia is free from Colonialism. Are they climbing the ladder of Integral Altitudes? How integral is China?

@raybennett You’re very sour on the US and Western Civilization. Moving from the West to the “East” usually sets you up to live as one of the higher caste. Having a live in maid and full time driver is a pretty nice life - at least for a Gringo like you or me that’s benefited from their Western lives.

Not sure what gay founding fathers and mothers has to do with anything. I’m sure if I lived back then I would have stayed in the closet if gay, and likely been anti-gay if not. Ain’t it wunderful that we’ve made so much progress?

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No, I’m just not Pollyana pie in the sky everything is great when it isn’t. What is wrong with pointing out that everything has it’s time, and everything has a beginning, middle, and end? What is wrong with just stating the obvious that the United States in 2022 is not actually the best place and time to live in the history of the entire universe?

This is how twisted your brain has become to Disinformation. You really think that you are the pinnacle of everything that ever existed - and when I point out that this isn’t necessarily the case you think there is something wrong with me. lmao

You do you, I guess. Maybe make a trip to Bangkok as well and enjoy the benefits of an American passport there. Maybe you can stop by Manila and get a house maid that will also provide other benefits. After all - you are an American and you deserve it because you are the progeny of the best civilization ever in the entire Universe over all time and space.

If that floats your boat, just go with it. Of course I’ll still tell you that you are full of it, but hey - you can delude yourself that economic exploitation is a very Christian thing to do. Benevolent, actually. Jesus himself would be American if he were alive today and would do the exact same thing.

I’m not aware we were making recommendations in this topic. The Topic is Finding Resilience in the Face of Disinformation, and I was discussing the myriad of ways that modern Americans are grossly misinformed about their place in the cosmos.

If I am to make a recommendation - it is to see things as they actually are, find the disinformation, accept the facts of the matter, then accept it and move forward.

You have a real problem with all-or-nothing thinking. You seem to be unable to accept other groups outside of yours did anything good, and if I point it out you feel it as a threat to your entire group. This is going to be the downfall of your sociopolitical group and ultimately the end of your / their genetic line unless it changes. As other groups narrow the gap in economic and military power you will not be able to bully them into accepting American Universal Exceptionalism - and may very well become the victim of genocide yourselves. As they say, live by the sword, die by the swore. Absolutism, inflexibility and unwillingness to compromise or see gray areas is unnatural and doomed to a bad ending.

Accepting reality and facts as they are does not mean you have to suddenly accept every single aspect of life in one random timeframe of the humanity’s 20,000 years of civilization.

I don’t think the Nation-State is the foundation of an Integral society, so right off the bat any discussions about Nations whose maps were artificially created and imposed through threat of genocide during the Colonial Era and nuclear annihilation in the 20th Century are off the table.

As I’ve said before, Integral societies will have to form and exist outside of the outdated sociopolitical structure of the Nation State.

You keep bringing up Liberalism is bad for America without realizing that the core Founding fathers were very Liberal. These founding fathers if they lived today would not be allowed to run on any Republican party ticket in the 20th or 21st century. America was founded on Liberal ideals, so your idea that Liberalism is destroying American society just doesn’t make any sense.

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Seems Google is “on the job” for “the greater good” regarding Mass Formation Psychosis.

Life sucks and “those people” are to blame…

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I love this, but it’s the same old story for the past 20+ years.
1 - We are going through a Mass Formation Psychosis. Agreed.
2- This has been going on for at least 50 years. Nothing new here. I’d suggest that it’s cyclical and every 80 years people experience mass Psychosis if they do not address the real problems they are facing. See the book “The Fourth Turning”.
It’s interesting that on the one hand @FermentedAgave you are all “pie in the sky pollyana everything is great with our society” but then you also seem to suggest human society is in a mass psychosis? That is very interesting - because you are trying to believe something that is in direct opposition to reality. That is the definition of psychosis. Which leads to the next point.
3 - The ones who are now point the finger at others are the most deeply psychotic. Not only do they deny the external reality, they also deny the internal reality - and project it onto an “enemy”. This is the whole basis of every post you place in this forum - a deep rejection of your internal reality and creation of Liberals as an enemy that display the trait you are afraid to face in yourself.

This is nothing new. It goes way back to the whole “Red Pill / Blue Pill” where the people who talk the most about being “Red Pilled” were actually just being manipulated on another level of control. This was one of the Major themes of the Matrix Trilogy - you “wake up” to the “Matrix” - but find yourself in another layer. Now the analogy goes further that in the Matrix there were what - 8 other interations? So we get back to the beginning where this is cyclical and part of human nature - society continues to unravel because it does not collectively deal with all it’s “shit”. The people’s internal “formula” gets more and more unbalanced until a Savior figure comes along. Neo, Lenin or Trump, the result is the same - the slate gets wiped clean and a new iteratioin starts.

So again, my philosophy and approach towards the future seems to be the most sane course of action. Masses of people are psychotic and in a “Mass Formation Psychosis” - and the ones who are first starting to realize this in others (but refuse to see it in themselves) are in an even deeper and more violent Mass Formation Psychosis. How is the United States not completely fucked at this point, lmao?
You either have to say “The Mass Formation Psychosis story is fake news” - or if it is not fake news - what are you personally doing to bring sanity? Well - nothing. You are just an inmate in a mental institution looking around at your fellow inmates and trying to tell me they are crazy, lol. You are 49% of the population and they are 51% of the population. I fail to see how this ends well for either of you two groups. The only hope for humanity really is if enough people in neither group become aware enough to find a way to make it through into the next “iteration”. By this I mean their ideas and / or practices last over time.

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Damn liberals! Damn immigrant caravans! Damn socialists! Damn BLM! Damn antifa! Damn authoritarians! Damn Brandon!

I mean, you see that all those common right wing talking points are symptomatic of “mass formation psychosis”, yeah? Same with Qanon and any number of other internet conspiracy theories, including the lie that Trump won the election, which the GOP continues to repeat?

Or is it only the left that is engaged in mass formation psychosis, and therefore only “those people” are to blame? Seems like another matrix-in-a-matrix here. Sort of a “meta mass formation psychosis” that accuses other people of having mass formation psychosis without noticing that the claim is itself an example of mass formation psychosis. We see a lot of epistemic hijacking like this these days, where otherwise useful terms lose their utility by getting drowned in irony. Sort of like when someone says “wow, the tolerant left” whenever intolerance is not being tolerated.

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I’ll add on another level here - the fact that the objects are interchangeable (Hillary-Obama-Biden are interchangeable as are benghazi-hillary’s server-vaccines) is a dangerous dynamic to be around at all. There isn’t any logic or consistency but instead there is just a need to attack something external.
Such groups are dangerous to even be around -even to be members of - because their causes often go off on wild tangents. When Trump doesn’t have a Democrat in his sight, he goes after RHINO’s or anyone who he hallucinates caused him injury - now multiply that by millions of people.

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However, focusing on the problem is necessary, but only the beginning step.

Resilience:
1 - the capacity to recover quickly from difficulties; toughness.
2 - the ability of a substance or object to spring back into shape; elasticity.

The only way to be resilient is to either resist outside pressure or to bounce back to one’s own “true form” after the outside pressure is exerted.

It all goes back to maintaining one’s true form regardless of whatever is going on with anyone else or masses of people. In order to maintain one’s true form, it helps to know what that true form is - which is difficult to impossible if that image is created or defined by an external group (such as a religion, political ideology or a corporation’s marketing department).

Logically, separation from these outside influences nurtures resilience, while reliance on these outside influences cripples resilience.

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We need to be resilient in the face of the Democrats preemptive disinformation campaign on the upcoming “stolen” midterm elections.

“The media treated the date as a sort of new national holiday to reinforce the awfulness of former President Trump and his deplorable supporters. But all that hyperbole about that riot being the moral equivalent of the Confederates firing on Fort Sumter, Pearl Harbor, or even the 9/11 terrorist attacks hasn’t convinced many people living outside the leftist bubble of CNN, MSNBC, and The New York Times to believe Republicans are a party of insurrectionists.”

Modus operandi with specific examples laid out quite clearly.

Conspiracies as Realities, Realities as Conspiracies
Conspiracy projection has split apart the country. The Left has fought efforts to learn the full truth, as they project conspiracies to disguise conspirators

https://amgreatness.com/2022/01/16/conspiracies-as-realities-realities-as-conspiracies/

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As you say, let’s not look at what people say might happen, and instead look at what people are actually doing.

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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/01/15/democrats_mislead_americans_on_election_reform_147033.html?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation

Hansen @ Hoover is always well thought out and well written.
https://www.hoover.org/research/dueling-populisms

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@FermentedAgave

I wonder if you think you have any credibility in this forum above zero?

Or if you think anyone besides corey actually reads your posts at this point, much less follow your links or read the stories?
With zero credibility and nobody really following the links you post, what is your motive for posting?
To convince yourself? Because you are not convincing anyone else. Instead, you are doing such a poor job you only reinforce in others the observation that you are the source of disinformation.

Every time I’ve followed up on the factual or legitimacy of your links, I’ve discovered complete trash.

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Do you see how your second link completely debunks your own argument?

It’s not a Democrat Projection, nor a conspiracy - but an actual action by Republicans that they are actually doing - according to the resource you presented.

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Intentionally posted the Maricopa County response as it’s all part of the cloud of stuff to make sense of. Just as is the Wisconsin info.

And Ray fully I understand you’re deep into an “alternate” paradigm so not interested, right?

It’s all part of attempting to at least survey the spectrum of US ideology.

New Discourse put out a great synopsis that very concisely gave perspective on the 60’s/70’s Marxist political movement losing momentum to the NeoCon movement. Covers:

  • Seemingly gave the Marxists with Friere’s strategies a wake up call to infiltrate the education system and Unis. Downside to NeoCons was strengthening of the Deep State. The new Identity Marxism will require limitless government authority to enforce the Wokeism since its a philosophically groundless every changing arbitratry scheme. It does seem to match with your “everything that exists is about power and domination” world view.
  • NeoCon issues, primarily Deep State development that Corey has pointed out.
  • Conservatism waking up, much Marxists did in reaction to NeoCons.
    -Radical criticism that continually shifts and is intentionally not transmittance down the tiers
  • Educational mission designed to groom Activists

Lindsay is clearly not a Lefty, but the good news is many on the Right who have spent their lives outside the socio/psycho/political fields are getting trained on what Hegel, Marx, Marcus, Gramsci, Friere, Zizek and the other icons that have lead to this new industry of Theraputic Governance.
Many are slow learner so bear with us as we get trained up.

Warning again that Lindsay is decided anti Collectivism, Marxism, Anarchism, Wokeism but still some good info. Enjoy!

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No, that is not what I said.

Again - you cannot even read what people say without spinning it to another reality.

Here is what I actually said:

Nothing in that statement shows lack of interest. It shows lack of confidence in you.

How do you mis-read one simple sentence? It furthers my lack of confidence in your basic ability to read and comprehend simple sentences.

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Yes, yes, yes … we’ve come full circle again to TrumpConservatives like fermentedagave being the NEW andtiwoke WOKE.

I doubt it, based on what you have previously presented time and time again.

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“Whoa whoa whoa whoa”…

Even the tossing softball questions from chosen media the Disinformation is purely political. Stay resilient!

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Yep, it’s entirely possible Obama was the last straight-talking President.
While three inaccurate claims is considerably better than Trumps speeches which are a non-stop stream of delusions, it is unfortunate that 45 “went there” and the Presidency will never be the same from then on.

Also worth noting that you link a Liberal news outlet taking Biden to task while the Conservative media rarely to never fact checks Donald Trump.
Finally, note that Biden is not going to attack CNN in the same way Trump attacks anyone who challenges his delusions.

So still, while the current situation is far from ideal - the comparison against the big Orange elephant and in the room has to be made, as well as a comparison with CNN vs the sycophantic conservative press.

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If I didn’t know better you are attempting a gaslighting shame game.
Are you sticking with Biden on trajectory to be a top 30% President?

America by Gaslight

When institutions and authority figures present open questions as settled and use coercive power to get their way, the collapse of public trust is a predictable result

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Say what?
Who did you have this conversation with?
Now you are just making stuff up.
Show me where I ever said anything other than Biden was just average, so-so.
Talk about gaslighting, lol - you just make shit up.

You really are a mess. I don’t need to gaslight you. You say enough nonsensical things, make so many factual inaccuracies day after day and just completely make up things that there isn’t any real need to gaslight you.

Here’s the thing I learned about Trump supporters - from even before Trump started running for office:
When they accuse anyone of anything - that is what they are in fact doing. I figured that out about 15 years ago, lol.

Yes, yes, yes - I completely agree AND, AND AND - this is why Trump’s first 4 years so damaged the country, and why another 4 years will be worse.

But realize - I’m not being negative here - death of Democracy and the descent of this country further into moral collapse may very well be exactly what is needed for the world to evolve to the next tier. Most addicts have to hit rock bottom before they break free of addiction, and Americans are very much addicted not just to stuff, but to an entire elitist and entitled mindset.

Now back to gaslighting - by using that word you did inform me of an effect that I had on you.
The definition of gaslighting is:

to manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.

So regardless if you believe me or not that I am not in fact gaslighting you, the prerequisite of accusing someone of gaslighting is that you are questioning your sanity.
Not because I’m gaslighting you, but because you are actually experiencing an “unravelling” when someone confronts you consistently over time with facts and unbiased rational thought, and when I ditch the Green Tier turn the other cheek brotherly love everyone’s contribution is equally valid stuff and just stand firm on the facts and rational thought.

I actually think you really should sit down with that article you posted and read it several times - but realize every instance it you think Biden and Liberals, Trump and your demographic is 20 times the worse example.