Are you trying to insult me by calling me a woman? Weird.
I didn’t even need Barr to tell me this one. It’s just plain logic.
Yes, the whole premise of ballot harvesting is saying that no one can drop off your ballot for you - which is completely stupid in the first place. It should be completely legal for an invalid who is bedridden to be able to give thier ballot for someone to drop off.
Sorry @FermentedAgave there is just not “there” there.
Also I can post a funnier troll pic than you as well.
@corey-devos, the left is seeing the world from within the silo that wants to catch out Team Trump at every opportunity. They will therefore only look at the evidence that proves what they want to prove. The more dirt, the better. It makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
I’m occupying the silo that is placing all of this into a systemic perspective that properly factors in cause and effect across all players and perspectives.
GETTING CAUSE AND EFFECT RIGHT
Ok, let’s now get down to the cause-and-effect that is best understood from a systemic perspective.
It is said that Trump was a divisive president. Was he, really? What was the beginning of the divisiveness to which his presidency was an inevitable response?
It all began with the hippy era of the 60s, the contraceptive pill, the sexual revolution and feminism. The Beatles, Peace, Make love not war, and all that. We watched MASH and Happy Days. We learned to challenge authority, get in their faces, give them the finger. Conservative authority, of course.
Women were oppressed, men were their oppressors. The Patriarchy and all that. Selfish, greedy capitalists took advantage of their employees and the disadvantaged, and they raped the environment. The victim-oppressor narrative took root. The contraceptive pill provided women with the liberation that freed them up to enter the workforce and have multiple random partners without fear of pregnancy. And so on. No need to elaborate further, we all know how it goes. The movements of the 60s came together and became a cult, a groupthink, a form of religion.
But were women really oppressed? Or were they making choices from a culture that granted them the right to be provided for, while requiring men to be providers? Do women, as primary nurturers, really bear no responsibility for the gender roles that evolve in culture… the gender roles that play out in markets, business and politics, and… The Patriarchy? Were capitalists really at liberty to do whatever they wanted, independently of the markets that consume their products and the culture that defines their values?
From the groupthink of progressivism evolved the cult of Woke. From political correctness evolved the virtue-signaling by which those pretending higher virtue could masquerade their moral high-ground.
People eventually get tired of the scolds, the bigots masquerading as anti-bigots, the sexists masquerading as anti-sexists, the fascists masquerading as anti-fascists. People begin to see through their facades.
The funk-you that leftists doled out at conservatives was the inevitable funk-you that would surely come back to haunt them later.
The divisiveness did not start with Trump. It started with the progressives, the politically correct and their masquerade of moral superiority. They don’t like being given the finger. They don’t like being on the receiving end of criticism. And they will do whatever they can to re-establish their hegemony. That’s what we are up against.
And as a reformed progressive, I know how this works. I know what’s going on in their heads.
The left don’t care about cause-and-effect, they don’t care about Truth. That’s very STEM, very conservative… not cool. They care about spin, and conforming to the anti-establishment rhetoric that began in the sixties. That’s Cool, that’s how they like it. Trouble is, though, it is now their tribe that is The Establishment, a corrupt and broken Establishment that relies on an authoritarian mindset to assert spent narratives. Trump has given them the finger, and for that they hate him, they want him out, whatever it takes. Unconditionally, without mercy. No evidence required. Sam Harris, that authoritarian, pompous, TDS-afflicted git who defames Trump relentlessly without shame, has shown us exactly how this works (I would love to see Trump sue him to broke).
Trump is not divisive. He’s the antidote.
The system is broken, and there will be no return from the brink in the foreseeable future. An unprecedented hell-hole of a Dark Age is looming on the horizon, and it will persist for a long time into the future after it has consolidated. We are in The Unravelling.
With the hunter-gatherers, Roman Empire, Hunnic invasions and European Renaissance behind us, we assume we’ve crossed a threshold from barbarity into civility, and there’s no going back. We think it can’t happen again. What we are witnessing is, in fact, the going back. We are on the precipice of an unprecedented iteration of the Dark Ages.
No, the reason he’s pleading the fifth is because he knows that the system is broken, and that the most corrupt administration that the US has ever seen is out to get him. Pleading the fifth is survival, and his his way of saying “funk you, I know what you’re doing, and I’m not playing your stupid, fraudulent game.”
Outside of Media/DNC PR gaslighting publications, does the Left have any scientifically rigorous findings on why Leftists are SO frustrated particularly when they are winning and control the entire government?
“The portrait of conservatives that emerges is different from the view that conservatives are generally fearful, low in self-esteem, and rationalize away social inequality. Conservatives are more satisfied with their lives, in general… report better mental health and fewer mental and emotional problems (all after controlling for age, sex, income, and education), and view social justice in ways that are consistent with binding moral foundations, such as by emphasizing personal agency and equity. Liberals have become less happy over the last several decades, but this decline is associated with increasingly secular attitudes and actions.”
Conspiracy Theories in Colorado
“What we can expect from the extreme Republicans running across this country is to undermine free and fair elections for the American people, strip Americans of the right to vote, refuse to address security breaches and, unfortunately, be more beholden to Mar-a-Lago than the American people,” Griswold, 37, said in an interview with the Guardian.
She added: “For us, we are trying to save democracy.”
A little something to lift our spirits in these trying times:
Yeah, man - whou could possibly be against war and against napalming babies? Stupid liberals ruined a good thing. Negroes should be segregated, right? That was a good thing. Keep the black man down, right? Stupid Liberals started their protests and stuff. Women belong pregnant chained in the chitchen to the stove. And if a woman wants a job then she should understand a little bit of grab ass is part of the job description. Equal rights? Phffft! Me too? pfft! They are women, am I right or am I right? Some women like being grabbed. Why make it illeagal. Liberals and their contraceptive pill messed that up. Started giving women ideas, n stuff. And the Beatles and their songs about Yellow Submarines! SUBVERSION!!! HOW DARE THEY sing about a world of peace and imagining living life in peace with nothing to kill or die for! Before the Beatles people were perfectly willing to kill each other for no reason and Damn John Lenon put these ideas in people heads about imaging a peaceful world.
Liberals ruined a good thing, right? They started it.
Anyway - sarcasm over.
Good luck in your struggle @FermentedAgave. Keep drinking the cool aide. Maybe go out and buy several guns and charge your local FBI office. Start your own local violent revolution.
The more you and conservatives go down this path, the more people are going to realize the left is far less dangerous than you. The right was able to hoodwink the “independents” for about a decade. Now since 2020 more and more are starting to see what all that was about and are saying “no”.
So yeah, keep sleeping in the Trump bed and see whare it gets you.
But he’s stymying NY AG Letitia James political rise. This likely has blunted Tish James rise to Democratic Party stardom. Obama and Hillary are both excellent “clear the path” Democratic candidates. See attached.
We see Democrats do the same thing here in Arizona with essentially their single candidate primaries - zero debate, candidates are chosen and “presented”. Meanwhile the Republicans are publicly debating issues.
Forgive me, but what I see here is a narrative, a mythology, one that is cherry-picking reality in order to confirm a pre-existing anti-left bias (which we might call “LDS”). It’s a narrative that says everything and everyone everywhere is broken, and only Donald Trump has the intellectual, moral, and ethical compass to fix it.
You do understand that this is exactly how a narcissistic personality disorder would describe the world? And also how a cult of personality would describe their leader? And that the center of every personality cult in history is a narcissist? Everyone else is wrong, only Trump is right. Sorry man, that emperor wears no clothes.
It is also a blatantly self-serving myth, because there is a nasty circular reasoning baked right in — anyone who questions Trump or tries to hold him accountable for any corruption is automatically labeled “deep state”, and can then be totally disregarded. Whether it’s the left, the media, the FBI, the DOJ, the SC, or even other Republicans. Trump is always right, and anyone who criticizes him is always wrong. This is some North Korea level shit right here.
Meanwhile, objective reality shows that Trump has a history of defrauding people, of cheating on his wife with a porn star right after his child was born, of putting his own children in positions of power (and allowing them to make billions in profit from their positions), of attempting to overthrow a democratic election and conspiring to send fake electors to DC with zero court evidence. He has surrounded himself with criminals and con men from the very beginning, from Manafort to Stone to Flynn.
The reality is, social media is making extremists of us all. We are all subject to the cultural ripples being generated by algorithms that only bring people down into any number of rabbit holes, rather than pulling them up the developmental conveyor belt toward increasing wholeness. Our news feeds are dominated by reactionaries reacting to reactionaries, which only makes the extremes louder and more prone to violence. Trump represents one of those extremes. I am anti-Trump, because I am anti-extremism.
I do think many of your complaints about the left have merit, and I have echoed many of those complaints myself. But as I say, just because the left is sometimes wrong, it doesn’t mean the right is always right. In my mind, it’s a case of “out of the frying pan and into the fire.” The right now sees themselves the same way Boomers in the 1960s saw themselves, with all the same hackneyed, short-sighted, and ultimately self-defeating “anti-establishment” sentiments.
Your comments about women’s oppression do have some important truths though. Of course, women were in fact “oppressed” as they made a transition into the public sphere in the late 19th/early 20th century. Winning the right to vote was a big deal. Not having to have a man sign off on loans and credit cards is a big deal (which was true until the 1970s.) Gaining sexual agency and autonomy is a big deal. All of these are genuine accomplishments of feminism, reducing the restrictive inertias in the public sphere from previous eras.
However, that is just the public sphere. Now I think we have a new problem, which is the dilapidation of the private sphere, which was previously institutionalized as women’s role. Because we placed so much emphasis on equality in the public sphere, we’ve ignored equality in the private sphere, and I think many men (and women!) are acutely feeling that pain.
My theory is, just as the industrial revolution shifted women into the public sphere for the first time, which solved old problems and created new problems, the information/automation revolution will do something similar for men, expanding their identity and roles enough to allow them to share the caretaking of the private sphere.
As Warren Farrell often points out, traditionally men have been forced to show love for their family by staying away from their family, working themselves to the bone in order to support their loved ones. Which, to me, feels like oppression (and is fortunately an oppression I have not had to endure, as I am able to work from home and raise my daughter alongside my wife every day, because my surrounding techno-economic base in the LR now allows for that. And I appreciate the fact that I am likely only a fraction of a percent of all men who have ever lived who are able to do so.)
But if you are seriously trying to do a sober “cause and effect” analysis, you can’t do what you accuse your perceived political opponents of doing: “only look at the evidence that proves what they want to prove. The more dirt, the better. It makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.” If you want to know how we got here, you can’t ignore Gingrich’s success at radicalizing the GOP in the 90s and leading a hypocritical moral crusade against Clinton (while cheating on his own dying wife), and instructing conservatives to stop maintaining friendships with Democrats altogether. You can’t ignore the lies from the Bush administration that led to countless dead civilians and the longest war in US history. You can’t ignore the fact that the last two Republican presidents have left the economy in tatters when they left office. You can’t ignore that conservatives have fought every expansion of human rights in modern history, including recent things like gay marriage or eliminating pre-existing conditions and lifetime caps from our insurance systems. You can’t ignore that Trump directly expanded the “swamp” by putting industry leaders in charge of regulating their own industries, known as regulatory capture. You can’t ignore that there is simply no analog on the left to something like Qanon, which is a uniquely conservative phenomenon.
And on the other side, you can’t ignore the real successes of the Biden administration. Medicaid can now negotiate medicine costs. Injured veterans can now get the medical support they need after being injured by burn pits. We are now placing critical investments in clean energy. We finally have real investment in our crumbling infrastructure, something Trump could never accomplish.
Does that mean the left is all good and the right is all bad? Of course not. There are extremists on both sides, and there are times when the left’s extremists bother me even more than the right’s — but I’m also not blind that these extremists are creating each other. And yes, saying that Biden is “the most corrupt administration the US has ever seen” — after Trump tried to burn the Constitutiom based on his own unsubstantiated “beliefs” — is a product of extremism.
As I said before, Trump tried to undermine the election, and this resulted in the first non-peaceful transfer of power in modern history. That is a fact. He also stole confidential documents and hid them at Maralago (which even he admits, you can’t say the FBI and DOJ are making this up) — after getting his crowds to shout “lock her up” for Hillary’s mishandling of an email server. This is the textbook definition of extremism.
Which means you have two choices: either believe he was justified in his assault on constitutional law, or he wasn’t and he is a criminal. So people who simply don’t want to admit that Trump is a criminal, have to find some way to justify his actions. “He BELIEVED the election was stolen, so he’s allowed to seize control for himself!” “It’s not the Trump administration that was obviously and blatantly corrupt, don’t look at that, instead look at Biden, it’s THE MOST CORRUPT IN ALL HISTORY! I’m rubber and you’re glue!”
These are Trump’s own defenses, and are the sorts of defenses and projections we’d expect from a 10 year old — which in my view, pretty accurately describes Trump’s emotional intelligence 
Also, here’s my own beluga chaser 
I try to make it a practice not to let political views dominate my relationships with people. I often reflect on how politics are an area of our lives we have the absolute least control over, individually, yet where we often place the majority of our focus, frustration, passions, and projections — and when we start enacting each other through those filters, it creates more resentment, more ill will, and more fragmentation. There are billions of moving data points to account for, and we are all going to see different patterns and constellations when we look at it, according to our conditions, informational terrains, and Kosmic address. So I try to hold my own opinions seriously, but lightly at the same time. It’s all too easy to get swept away, put each other in a box, and write each other off, after all
So I try to approach these conversations like a sand mandala. I will try to construct the most reasonable and deliberate and hopefully artful arguments as I can, in order to best reflect my own personal views and sense-making — and then I have to be ready to wipe it away as soon as it becomes necessary, and focus on other things in order to create new shared realities.
So, aside from our political disagreements above, how are you? What is turning you on these days? Any shows or music you are really feeling recently? We can bring this into a private message if it’s too off-topic for this thread — but at this point, I don’t think anything is really off topic in this particular discussion LMAO
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Will follow up tomorrow. It’s nightime here in budapest and am about to get back to bed. Will definitely put something together tomorrow, though. Cheers 
Hey @corey-devos
Any chance I could get your understanding of a couple things?
- Unitary Executive
- Executive Privilege
- Who is responsible for setting Federal elections laws?
Thanks!
What is interesting is that what a conservative was 20 years ago, let alone 50 eyars ago is far and away what so-called conservatives are now. The Trump Conservatives are more like Regan Democrats. They want the government to solve all their problems, including religious ones. that is not at all anythig resembling what Conservatives were all about 1980-2000.
The difficulty now is actually finding an actual conservative. Most conservatives have lost their way under Trump.
I notice the article references a 2011 study, lol. That is ancient history in politics. That was when Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan and John McCain were the face of Conservatism. Now they are called “RINOs” by the Republican party majority. Though even then bashit crazy and nonsense spewing Sara Palin was a harbinger of what Conservativism would transform into under Trump.
Yes, there are many moving, interconnected parts to factor in. I’ve assembled my main outline as best I can, which I will post shortly after tidying it up a bit. Not sure it will help, it’s difficult reading, difficult to condense into an easy-to -understand sound-bite, but that’s how it is.
Corey, before I can respond to your post, I should address some essential points that lie behind my assumptions. These are important because they are critical to understanding the role of the movements that began in the 60s, along with the sexual revolution, in the unravelling of contemporary culture:
- The neo-Darwinian, it’s-all-in-the-genes theory of biology, with its emphasis on bottom-up causation, is on its way out. Researchers are beginning to wake up, especially within the context of consciousness theory;
- A realistic interpretation of how consciousness works has huge implications for the relationship between personality and culture. The relationship between personality and culture is not obvious in the mainstream narrative in biology, where the emphasis is on bottom-up causation. Culture is the all-essential top-down causation that must also be factored in;
- Bodies wire neuroplastic brains. More precisely, the experiences intercepted by the body wire the neuroplastic brain. This is important within the context of gender roles in culture. Norman Doidge, in The Brain that Changes Itself, was among the pioneers who introduced the notion that culture wires the neuroplastic brain;
- The contraceptive pill has been a disaster for humanity. Why? Tampering with biology impacts on the choices that manifest in culture. See the preceding three points.
I will probably lose many of you at “The contraceptive pill has been a disaster for humanity.” But that’s ok. My duty is simply to relay what I know to be the truth, regardless of what others think. For those who continue reading… welcome aboard!
The contraceptive pill has introduced options for women that were never available before its inception. Liberated of the burden of inconveniently timed childbirth, women were freed to enter the workforce. Surely, that’s good news. Equal opportunity extended to embrace women? More good news.
More choices for women in the dating market? Good ne… um… Here things get a little more… how shall we say… “problematic.” Some people call it sexual agency as if it is, by default, a positive thing. Who can argue with sexual agency? Let us take a closer look.
It was only this past weekend that a popular youtube blogger, Torshaa, made the following comment:
There’s a dark side to female nature that I don’t even feel comfortable talking about. It’s like telling on the sisterhood. Ya know what I mean? But it’s not going to feel good to men. And that’s where I struggle.
What was she getting at? I’ve written before about women’s rape fantasies, in the context of the Diary of Anais Nin and the Story of O. And so, intrigued, I posted the following comment
New to this channel. Just as I was wondering if I was going to find what I was looking for, this: “There’s a dark side to female nature that I don’t even feel comfortable talking about. It’s like telling on the sisterhood … But it’s not going to feel good to men.” Tell us more. Women have a couple of dark sides. What were you thinking of? Diary of Anais Nin? Story of O (a frequent Roissy reference)? Yeah, sometimes women get off on fugly. A fugly brute with attitude can achieve rapey heights that a handsome, wealthy 10 never can. Thoughts?
I was clearly onto something, with my interpretation of what she was getting at.
Now to cut a long story short, this dark dimension of women’s sexuality needs to be factored into the relationship between personality and culture. In the first instance, the contraceptive pill has physiological effects that impact on women’s choices in men (see, for example, Shannen Michaela), and that’s perhaps secondary to my main point. More important is the role of the pill in the cultural narrative that women incorporate into their view of the world. Given women’s aforementioned “dark side”, is there any aspect of this dark side that plays out in the choices that women actualize? I say there is, and these options can have tragic consequences, turning young lives filled with promise and possibility into train-wrecks of adult despair and confusion.
Liberated of the consequences of childbirth, a woman can “experiment” with the full spectrum of men that hit on her, from the alphas, chads and winners, to the desperates, degenerates and losers. But are there wider consequences on the narratives that become cultural reality? At least before the pill, a woman had to think twice before taking up with the “fugly brute with attitude” that was making her head spin, her pulse race and her breathing quicken.
The contraceptive pill, within the context of its social and cultural implications, is complicated. The topic is controversial, and rather than waste further time explaining my perspective to a possibly hostile audience, I’ll just let some ladies tell you in their own words:
Emily Wilson
https://twitter.com/i/status/1563605594287722499
(Emily gets it - tampering with biology has consequences at the cultural level)
Shannen Michaela
https://twitter.com/i/status/1563862401069461504
Louise Perry
Here you will find further links to Louise Perry’s other talks:
(While Louise Perry is very critical of feminism, she is not as critical of the pill as I am. She does, however, correctly realize that the pill’s implementation needs to be managed properly)
How might we decide between the politics of liberalism versus conservatism (@raybennett’s contention that this divide is simplistic, notwithstanding)? If, in this slice of the universe that humans inhabit, it seems that human history across every continent has covered all possibilities, think again. The universe is a big place - 200 billion galaxies big, at last count. There are possibilities that have never been conceived before, possibilities that cannot be conceived by the puny human mind-body. This liberal/conservative duality and its variant recombinations, which we assume addresses all possibilities, is but a miniscule drop in the ocean. If one part of culture is broken in a fundamental way, it is not unreasonable to question whether the whole thing is a shambles. If the conservatism preceding the 60s was broken, then the post-60s “fixes” to it, without properly addressing the cultural narratives on which it is founded, might also be broken.
Have I lost anyone? Let’s put it into a nutshell. A culture that is dysfunctional from the start will remain dysfunctional no matter what you do to fix it, if you fail to properly address the narratives that constitute its foundation. That’s where we are at. This is basically the point that Robert Pirsig was making in his book, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.
Having addressed possible suggestions that I be cancelled as just another Trump-worshiping MAGA troglodyte with predictable misogynistic views, let those of us who have chosen to remain in this conversation, if any, now go on to Corey’s objections.
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It’s a narrative that says everything and everyone everywhere is broken
The entire culture is broken.
and only Donald Trump has the intellectual, moral, and ethical compass to fix it.
Donald Trump is a part of the cultural narrative that might unroll the current madness to an earlier, arguably saner, state. Either that, or precipitate more division and polarisation. If not, then the future is clear; we are indeed at the precipice of unprecedented cultural collapse and a new Dark Age.
Meanwhile, objective reality shows that Trump has a history of defrauding people,
This is quite irrelevant to Trump’s alleged criminality. He was not charged with any crime, ever. You can argue that he’s not a nice person, but that’s an opinion that carries zero weight in a court of law.
cheating on his wife with a porn star right after his child was born
He’s not a nice person. This is a moral judgement that might have carried more weight in conservative times, but in this era of child-sniffing Joe Biden and cocaine-addicted, prostitute-indulging Hunter Biden, it’s irrelevant.
of putting his own children in positions of power (and allowing them to make billions in profit from their positions),
I agree. I’ve said before that I object to his nepotism. Though on a positive note, none of the Trump children are cocaine addicts or prostitute johns.
of attempting to overthrow a democratic election and conspiring to send fake electors to DC with zero court evidence.
He believes, with certainty, that the election was stolen. @raybennett suggests he’s insane, and therefore belongs in a psych ward. You believe that he’s a liar. He’s not lying, because he believes it, how could that possibly be lying? As a believer, he feels a duty to stand up for what he believes in. Only time will tell whether he’s a hero who belongs on Mount Rushmore or fraud that belongs in jail.
He has surrounded himself with criminals and con men from the very beginning, from Manafort to Stone to Flynn.
A lot of unsupported value judgements here. I don’t know who among them has a criminal record. The Deep Swamp that Trump had to rely on to source his people was always a mixed bag of unknowns. A system that is broken is not to be trusted, I don’t care if they lock Sister Tereza away as a criminal. It’s just not relevant when a system has become a joke.
Our news feeds are dominated by reactionaries reacting to reactionaries, which only makes the extremes louder and more prone to violence. Trump represents one of those extremes. I am anti-Trump, because I am anti-extremism.
And puppet Biden doing the anonymous oligarchy’s every bidding, with his cocaine-addicted, prostitute-hiring son in secret deals with China on behalf of the Big Guy is another extreme. Your point?
Gaining sexual agency and autonomy is a big deal. All of these are genuine accomplishments of feminism, reducing the restrictive inertias in the public sphere from previous eras.
As should be clear by now, from my previous post, I disagree with you. Feminism is an epic failure that seriously hurts women in the darkest of ways.
Because we placed so much emphasis on equality in the public sphere, we’ve ignored equality in the private sphere, and I think many men (and women!) are acutely feeling that pain.
Just to be clear. Equal outcome is not equal opportunity. All too often, equal outcome gets conflated for equal opportunity, and the manipulations required to achieve equal outcome are anti-democratic. The fairest mechanism is the free market. Let the free market decide, let men focus on their careers, let women choose the men that provide for them.
My theory is, just as the industrial revolution shifted women into the public sphere for the first time, which solved old problems and created new problems, the information/automation revolution will do something similar for men, expanding their identity and roles enough to allow them to share the caretaking of the private sphere.
Sticky problems. They don’t always have easy solutions. People who think they do, are the stuff of which totalitarians are made.
As Warren Farrell often points out, traditionally men have been forced to show love for their family by staying away from their family, working themselves to the bone in order to support their loved ones. Which, to me, feels like oppression (and is fortunately an oppression I have not had to endure, as I am able to work from home and raise my daughter alongside my wife every day, because my surrounding techno-economic base in the LR now allows for that. And I appreciate the fact that I am likely only a fraction of a percent of all men who have ever lived who are able to do so.)
Good points.
You can’t ignore the lies from the Bush administration that led to countless dead civilians and the longest war in US history.
Ugh, the neocons are a disgrace.
You can’t ignore the fact that the last two Republican presidents have left the economy in tatters when they left office.
Yup, neocons.
You can’t ignore that conservatives have fought every expansion of human rights in modern history, including recent things like gay marriage or eliminating pre-existing conditions and lifetime caps from our insurance systems. You can’t ignore that Trump directly expanded the “swamp” by putting industry leaders in charge of regulating their own industries, known as regulatory capture.
A broken system with broken narratives is not sustainable across all levels. It is destined to unravel.
You can’t ignore that there is simply no analog on the left to something like Qanon
Not this fringe conspiracy Qanon thing again? Why is this a thing?
And on the other side, you can’t ignore the real successes of the Biden administration. Medicaid can now negotiate medicine costs. Injured veterans can now get the medical support they need after being injured by burn pits. We are now placing critical investments in clean energy. We finally have real investment in our crumbling infrastructure, something Trump could never accomplish.
Oh dear. Too much here to respond to. Where do I begin?
Does that mean the left is all good and the right is all bad? Of course not. There are extremists on both sides, and there are times when the left’s extremists bother me even more than the right’s — but I’m also not blind that these extremists are creating each other.
We agree on something! 
And yes, saying that Biden is “the most corrupt administration the US has ever seen” — after Trump tried to burn the Constitutiom based on his own unsubstantiated “beliefs” — is a product of extremism.
Time will tell, if either of them goes down in history a hero or a felon.
As I said before, Trump tried to undermine the election, and this resulted in the first non-peaceful transfer of power in modern history. That is a fact.
Time will be the ultimate judge, depending on whether he becomes a hero or a felon.
He also stole confidential documents and hid them at Maralago (which even he admits, you can’t say the FBI and DOJ are making this up)
I don’t care what an FBI stasi doing the bidding of a corrupt administration allege. It’s irrelevant.
@steljarkos I found this information and your dialogs fascinating. Sadly most opinions shared here are all stuck in the mud of their own view(s). Closed up tight in this never-ending propaganda dialog string.
In our biological nature we’re only moving forward … so much intellectual energy is metaphorically wasted on rearranging the chairs on the decks of the Titanic. The “unravelling of contemporary culture” is a systemic pattern that perpetually repeats itself.
The progressive thinkers within societies become emotionally engaged as devotees of change. They become so powerful in their influence that in due course they become the conservative defenders of the new culture they’ve created.
Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radical’s” was so powerful at taking down the contemporary power-structures that they won it all. His only tactics are leveraging chaos and fear, we now have that in abundance. “Never let a crisis go to waste” or better yet create a crisis to divert and confuse the opposition. Who is the chaos and fear creator of our day? Trump!
He is the man of the future and the leader of the new progressive movement within society. Whether he wins or loses he is the current truth of our world politics. Trump is still dominating the minds of @corey-devos and @raybennett they cannot get past this guy. He stimulates all our conversations and our thinking … the whole of humanity knows that “He’s the guy”.
He alone is validating all of our deepest fears about a totalitarian tyrant unraveling our system. To the true progressive’s he is the savior, the Saul Alinsky of our day. Trump alone is running on the idea that He’s ready to go in and unravel the perceived cultural corruption within the system.
Few on either side are open-minded enough to see or understand the other side. This is the civil war in America and it’s the future of the Western world and our dominant role of ruling the planet. Who wins … who knows?
Like Lincoln before him, hated by many Americans, went on in history as one of our greatest hero’s. This drama of our day will unfold with a victory and a defeat. It will be recorded in the history books by the winners … as the saving of our world.
Despite one’s personal preferences, in the end Trump will be a super-hero of history or another failed tyrant. It’s happening right now in front of our eyes. The puny voices of ideologues, in support or in descent, are stuck in their ideologies and they will be traumatized again. Those of us beyond the political BS and propaganda of politically correct beliefs will avoid the suffering that is on the horizon for one side or the other.
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It sure seems that way, doesn’t it.
I signed up with Integral years ago anticipating bigger things, but sadly it seems that they too will be subsumed within the collective of the politically correct.
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It’s the wrestler in Corey that keeps attempting to unbalance, destabilize, so he can then get the take-down.
These most delusional batshit crazy “cancel” stuff that the Far Leftists pull is trying to tie anyone that won’t agree with the Far Leftists agenda as part of the Qanon Conspiracy.
Hell, I LIVE at Qanon ground zero, Qanon Heartland if you will, am a perfect recruit, and have friends what would be even better for Corey’s Boogieman Conspiracy, “Emperor Trump’s Army” of White Christian Nationalists YET NONE OF US CAN FIND this Qanon Boogieman Army that Corey hears going thump in the night, scraping on the door to get out, rustling in the forest always just out of sight that is scaring the shitsizzle out of him.
What I do see is Corey’s Leftist party has MAJORITY CONTROL of our Federal Government and is spending $TRILLIONS on Collectivist/Centralized Authority initiatives to be run by 100,000’s of carefully selected Leftists and yet it’s still not enough “Progress”. And if you don’t like it, well you’re and Extremist, A Radical, A Threat to Democracy. LOL
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