Information Warfare Education, Propaganda, and How to Tell the Difference

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Lets start from square 1:
Why is a prosecutor discussing with the media at all?
What is the legitimate basis for discussing an ongoing investigation in the media?

Consider that most investigators will flat out say it is their policy to not discuss ongoing investigations. I believe this is proper and professional conduct, and is the norm across the United States.

For me to expect what is deemed professional conduct across the United States is not “off-the-cuff-shot-from-the-hip”, lol. It’s Standards and practiced with a well established legal and law enforcement tradition. The reason - obviously - is to prevent trial by public opinion and influence of juries - which can also result in a mistrial or otherwise losing the case.

The burden is on you to explain why Durham has deviated from normal professional practice, lol.

Or … Is it the conservative media “putting words in Durham’s mouth” that misrepresents him and his position?
I’m willing to accept either scenario is true.

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@raybennett
Durham filed the following with the court. Youve just spun off into fantasy land. Would recommend you read for yourself.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21208256-john-durham-sussmann-filing-21122

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Here’s the funny thing - I actually think Sussmann did something that was not according to procedures and / or policy.

Did he commit a crime? I don’t know, but I know I can’t trust the media and particularly the conservative media to give reliable information.

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And also Sussmann filed in court.
and the Conservative media is doing the most spin. And you are following the spin and refusing to recognize it.

I will read it AFTER you have.
Tell me when you have completed reading it, then I will.

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I actually don’t see why this is a big deal.

Someone is alleged to have done something and they will have to explain to a jury why the allegations of criminal conduct are not true.

All this is the system working as it is supposed to. Anything additional is spin - either by Durham or by the media. If an additional crime has been committed - as the conservative media are screaming “it’s like watergate” - then there should be additional charges. If this is not “like watergate”, then there won’t be additional charges.

Is the conservative media going off on the typical merry go round spin and blowing everything out of all reasonable proportions - as they usually do - and are you following their lead and trusting them at their word? Have you actually read the report when you ask me to do so, lol?

All this against the backdrop that we are talking about a pretty minor case involving one person compared to dozens of Trump’s inner circle and Trump himself facing indictments and more than likely criminal charges in at least one jurisdiction, and for sure civil litigation in several cases that have a high possibility of winning…

I will also note with a bit of Irony that the link you posted to the document was provided by CNN. It’s there in big bold letters at the top “Contributed by CNN Digital”, lol. So you apparently didn’t even read the top of the document you posted lol.
This is in direct conflict with the original article you posted saying there was a “Media Blackout”, lol

Edit / Add: I actually read it, and I honestly I’m still asking “what’s the big deal?”
Did “Tech Executive 1” commit a cyber crime or not?
That’s the only real question that might expose anyone in the whole report.
The other stuff is mostly just a potential conflict of interest moving forward in the trial. That’s pretty boring, to be honest.

So who is Tech Executive 1? Did he operate within the law in gathering data? I would suspect yes, because he’s a tech executive and not “Basement Tech Hacker 1”.

So pretty much the whole report and the reason this wasnt covered 24/7 in legitimate media is because it’s one big “nothing burger”.

But clearly there is nothing in the report that brings this anywhere near the level of “Watergate”. The report does not allege or even imply any crime or wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton, nor Obama. The only person that might be questioned is “Tech Executive 1” - but the report does not outline any specific crime that may have been committed. I would expect such a reference to be under the sections of applicable laws and codes. But apparently manipulating DNS data to exploit information isn’t a crime - or else we will see “Tech Executive 1” facing trial.

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Looks like a good assessment Ray. I would say you’re lacking in assessment of implications.
Colluding, conspiring, and actually spying for political gain are very serious offenses- if proven. Spying on POTUS even if you don’t like him is I believe Treason.

Yes, the wheels of justice are turning albeit perhaps too slowly for many.

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@FermentedAgave
Can you define how you are defining and using “spuing”.

Because the only spying that is illegal is when it’s for aforeign, government and you are also in government employ.

Or Are you saying it’s illegal for the old lady down the street to spy on the neighborhood, keep tabs on everyone and give that information to other old ladies?

Or are you saying it’s illegal to use technology to gather info on people without our consent? I would prefer that, but it is not the law in fact.

No, it is not illegal to spy for political gain either.

No, I’ve already done the “deeper assessment” and find the position completely lacking merit.

And again- as for collusion - it’s already been established that collusion is not a crime.

No, spying on the president is not treason. Lol. He is a citizen and there would have to be proof that the information placed the country at risk not the president’s private affairs. Besides he wasn’t even president at the time so your point is completely “lacking” in even a casual observation. Trump was just a candidate when the allegations occurred just a normal Joe blow, not president.

So I repeat - a big nothing burger

One person may serve jail time. Maybe not. But not for spying or collusion - for lying to the FBI. That’s the only actual crime he is alleged to have done. But that’s up to a jury to decide his guilt or innocence in lying to the FBI. But for sure nobody else is going to be charged for things that are not even crimes and are in fact standard practice

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By the way - did you read the paper or are you still just following what the media chooses to tell you?

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And now, my contribution to the topic of Information Warfare and Propaganda.

It’s becoming clear from teasers by Donald Trump himself that the new Truth Social will be 100% Information Warfare and Propaganda.

And we’ve discussed the “Cancel Cancel Culture” hypocrisy in here already, lol.

https://nypost.com/2022/02/16/trump-teases-first-post-on-new-twitter-like-truth-social/

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Haha. Did you expect anything else?

Yes.

Haha. If said “old lady” is paid by Hillary Campaign and/or DNC to concoct a “narrative”, hires internet surveillance companies for information (spying), then delivers the “concoction” to the FBI as factual while also claiming to not have been paid for said “concoction”, then conspires with said “internet company” and “legal firms” to “get the story straight” once the subpoenas are issued - then we might want to peel away some additional layers of the stinky onion.

With this filing, said “old lady” and all of her “old lady neighbors” have been served notice to stop their collusion and coverup and find untainted legal representation.

Seems pretty straight forward really and not so different than what the Right Wing Propagandists have been publishing.

Meanwhile the Far Left Media is spinning “it’s gotta be political” to create a trial in the “court of public opinion”.

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What are you talking about - which page are you reading in the filing that cites a law that Hillary Clinton violated? You and the right wing media are just making stuff up that isn;t even in the filing.

It’s not straightforward at all. If it was - why did Trump’s justice department and lackeys in the FBI not charge Clinton in the 7 years since Trump promised to “lock her up”. Why is she still laughing in his face? Because she knows no actual law was broken and it’s all just a bunch of hot air.

Just more rhetoric, lol. Zero actual facts.
Keep beating that drum, though if it makes you feel like you are actually accomplishing something - when in fact you are just wasting your time and energy.

And that is exactly why this is all 100% just in the right wing media. Absolutely zero action in the actual courts or law enforcement because absolutely zero laws were broken.

Nice try at distraction and redirection, but actual grand juries are being convened against Trump and his conspirators, actual cases are going forward in the courts and in law enforcement agencies across the countries nationwide against him and his inner circle, and also as well several civil cases. Oh, and in the middle of all this his accounting firm flipped on him and is unwilling to stand by the work they did for him for the past 10 years. looool. That itself has me smiling all day because I know just how bad that is. It actually opens him up to 10 years of IRS audits and State Tax audits as well - the three year statute doesn’t apply if there is “Reasonable Cause” - and his accountants who prepared them now officially saying the numbers may not be accurate is a hell of a reasonable cause. His only hope to save himself is to get elected in 2024 and impose some kind of martial law, lol. And I myself, am also preparing myself for that as well. All bases covered, so to speak.

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The Atlantic attempts to create a “court of public opinion” to attempt to de-legitimize Supreme Court of the United States.

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Ray, this is pretty basic. You do realize that Trump very well could have evaded taxes while swamp queen Hillary also committed crimes as well?
It’s not an either/or situation.

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Of course it’s not. But in this case - one group DID commit several crimes for which many have already been sentenced, and further investigations are ongoing and even grand juries formed.
While on the other hand, ZERO actual crimes committed and no actual charges being considered except for lying to the FBI.
It’s not that they have to be one or the other - I never said that - it’s that in actual FACT one side IS being charged and has been proven guilty and several allies sentenced, and further ongoing investigations across the country.

If you don’t believe me or the left wing media, here is a point by point explanation why no further crime was committed besides just lying to the FBI:

Also I have no idea IF Hillary committed crimes - but Trump had 4 years to provide any kind of evidence and came up with nothing, despite his promise to specifically target her.
Also, every time I ask people to say what SPECIFIC crime she committed, they just make up stuff that isn’t even a crime or get the timing all wrong, like you did.

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@raybennett just grab a beer and a bag of popcorn.

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If this is a drive in movie, the feature film is “Donald Trump’s Goons Go to Jail” and it’s already uproariously funny, like watching House of Cards meets Dumb and Dumber.

The Hillary Clinton flick will be the second movie of the double feature - you know, the one that teenagers start making out instead of watching it because it’s so boring, amateur and nothing actually happens?

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@FermentedAgave
So now the rest of the media have caught up with the story, and as I was saying from the start, this is just one big nothing burger.
Worse, it’s a god example of how you and others are completely willing and eager to be bamboozled with just a few right wing dog whistles.

Here is the process by which you were manipulated
1 - Story against a perceived enemy to get buy in (Hillary Clinton and the Media)
2 - The original source material is too difficult for you and your average American to actually understand
3 - The actual facts and real story are complicated, while the fake story is simple minded and easy to understand
4 - The next fake news story is launched before you are able to process the actual facts of the current fake story, even if you are willing to do so
5 - In the back of your mind, you realize that Hillary Clinton isn’t going to be charged, but rather than look at the actual facts and understand them, you turn to emotion as if you have been somehow “wronged” or the system is not fair, or whatever, and this builds resentment in you for you to be more susceptible to the next story that begins at stage 1.

Here are the facts:

  • The media covered the story a long time ago (October 2021)
  • The report does not implicate Hillary Clinton at all
  • The actions of Tech Executive 1 were completely legal and his company was working within the bounds of a legal government contract
  • The data on the White House was obtained during the Obama administration (prior to the election).

Now, before you say “Rag Media” - I read this from the original report you linked to and explained it to you based on how I read the document, and only today I see it is widespread in the Media. I note that you SAID you read the document, but either that was not accurate or you have a reading deficiency and are unable to extract facts from legal documents.

Also, as I pointed out yesterday (after I read the document), FOX also covered this story.

Also note that this fits in perfectly with the original topic “Information Warfare, Propaganda, and how to tell the Difference”

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And now, back to the stories that this distraction are trying to provide cover for:

Trump and his lawyers can’t even get their stories straight:

Yes, Public Accountants bear responsibility for their work under Public Accounting Laws. I can only guess that Mazars decided to take their lumps early and get it done with:

If people don’t understand how damaging the statement of Mazars is to Trump’s business empire, it’s because they haven’t any idea about business.

Trumps best legal defense seems to be “What about Hillary” - and as I said before, trying to litigate his problems away in the Right wing media.

The US Government now has reasonable cause to terminate a contract worth hundreds of millions of dollars to Trump due to the unreliability of the Financials he submitted when he applied for the contract. Again, the damage to Trump’s business empire due to the Mazars statement cannot be overstated:

The Republican party is in a state of utter chaos as the mob tries to tear down established positions of power within their own party:

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Steele Dossier architect and long time Clinton Lawyer now representing BLM, just in time for BLM to respond to State of California subpoenas.

Is this the Qanon “Deep State” in action?

Regardless, coupling DNC this closely with BLM isn’t a “good look” at the moment as the nation is leaning Right’ish.

Hillary Clinton’s former campaign lawyer – the man who spearheaded a dirt-digging investigation that led to the unsubstantiated ‘dirty dossier’ on Donald Trump – is now working for Black Lives Matters, according to the secretive foundation’s most recent tax filing.

Attorney Marc Elias’s eponymous law firm was named several times in Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation’s charity registration renewal filing, which was submitted in California on February 11.

The Elias Law Group is identified in the filings as the organization in charge of the books. The forms also listed longtime Clinton ally Minyon Moore as a member of its board of directors.

https://www.nytimespost.com/hillary-clintons-campaign-lawyer-and-man-who-funded-steele-dossier-is-now-representing-blm/

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Bit of news on Hunty’s 3-year running DOJ probe. Seems Mother of Love Child and ex-Employee that Hunter “doesn’t remember” has been testifying for a few hours.