Hello all,
Curious if anyone here has tried DMT or Ayahuasca or anything related. Want to try DMT in about a year or two if possible. Currently started following an Instagram account of a “David Jay Brown” who seems to specialize in it.
DMT lasts minutes, I think ayahuasca would be an overnighter. I tried the former, found it to be an extremely visual experience, very stimulating and fascinating, felt very safe and straightforward. It was only scary before we actually did it. I personally did not get any of the emotional, intellectual, or spiritual effects that you sometimes get with other entheogens - it was like watching a bizarre abstract movie as my ordinary self, disembodied. If you go that direction, anticipate that you will probably have to do it multiple times to get the process right. My personal, biased opinion as a 90’s kid, LSD is probably the most consistently “mind-expanding” and trauma-therapeutic of these modes - as everyone says, the most important ingredient is your own motives, expectations, and willingness to engage. Lol coincidentally, two days ago, I did a podcast having not slept, after spending all night dancing, writhing, crawling on the floor, moaning with a bunch of other neohippies at an airbnb by the river outside of town, hearing people describe this is a “reset,” and thinking what is the set and setting that we’re resetting, exactly?
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Thanks, yeah some accounts I’m reading say the same thing about the lasting of the effects. It’s going to be a while till I can do it as DMT is not legal in California so will have to move to Colorado or someplace, which was in the consideration list already. Motives would be to get a quick snapshot of the psychic worlds to test it myself and perhaps lead others as prove, while getting there the permanent way through stages. Let’s see how it goes. Thanks again, take care.
The big question: “Why?” What do you hope to get out of the experience(s)?
Ultimately, it doesn’t actually matter. Whatever you do, the actual experience will not be what you expect. Yet paradoxically it is good to go in with some kind of intention, even if it does turn out to get blown out of the water. Intention is part of a larger category we call “Set”, as in “mindSET”. Another example of mindset is beliefs and presuppositions. For example, if you go in believing the “Life is a techno Jail aka Matrix Simulation” - that will shadow the experience. If you go in with a strong Wiccan or Pagan internal belief, the experience will be shaded differently. Lots of people meet “entities” and their subconcious beliefs manifest into the apperance and behavior of these entities. A strong Christian core belief might manifest the entities as Jesus or the Devil, for example.
You won’t have control, so whatever you “want” doesn’t really matter - but it helps to understand and process what is happening and afterward what has happened.
This ultimately is what I have seen in the failures of “Guides” or whatever they want to call themselves. If you want to guide others, you will have to “sell” your version of what is happening and that you are able to control it if you want to anchor them or guide them through the experience. Even though you know you can’t actually control anything, you have to sell it that you can to the people you are trying to guide, lol. This is the paradox of being a safe “Guide”. This is why some people prefer a “Shaman”, who they believe will keep them metaphysically “safe” during the experience. This requires a lot of expertise, which requires dozens or hundreds of “journeys” under the guidance of a mentor of the same system of beliefs. This is why psychologists are probably going to mostly fall flat on their faces if they ever legally get the exclusive rights to spychedelic prescriptions. The field of psychology is too shallow a field. The Guide needs to have enough mojo that the participant relies on them in a realm where logic, regulations and degrees don’t matter. The best guides will be obviously “touched” and walk with one foot in the psychedelic world, which is counterproductive in a clinical psychological setting. Similarly, reading about psychedelics beyond a few basics for safety seems a bit absurd to me.
You can have vastly different experiences depending on dose, duration, setting and mindset at the time. Never take anyone else’s experience as any representation of what you will experience. The only thing you can somewhat control is duration and dose. As unThinkMe said, smoked DMT lasts minutes, so you will only have the experience for minutes. So if you take a small dose, you will have a minor experience for minutes. If you take a strong dose, you will lose control of reality for minutes. LSD / mushrooms / Ayahuasca in hours. A small dose gives you a minor experience for hours while a large enough dose makes you comatose, unresponsive and completely out of control of your mind for hours.
Dosage is easier to control in LSD and DMT, less in mushrooms and Ayahuasca.
It’s impossible to say or predict what experience you will have, so guiding another can only come from experiencing a wide range and gathering a small first hand understanding of what might happen. Lots of people “lose it” while trying to walk this path - if you live with one foot in the psychedelic world it’s not possilbe to live fully in the mundane world and a balance is difficult to sustain. Your basic reality of what you see is incongurent with what the rest of the world sees and thinks they “know”. This is where your foundation system of beliefs can help with that balance or drag you under when you are “spending all night dancing, writhing, crawling on the floor, moaning with a bunch of other neohippies” [sic]
Sensei question: Is transformation necessarily traumatic?
The more we hold onto our current state of progress, the more traumatic it will be if we are forced to let go. The more invested we are in the current state, the more upheaval we will experience if our status changes. How easily can you give up the very foundation of your beliefs and what you believe to be “sane”.
Look at the world around you - most people will not transform unless they are forced to and when they are it will be truly traumatic. They will lose their mortgage, their Job Identity, their faith in the Gods of Capitalism and / or Patriotism. The will either cling on until death, will eventually be forced to change. The earliest adopters will experience the least trauma while the holdouts will have the hardest time.
The same is true of partaking in psychedelics. Once you partake of a certain dose and / or frequency, you can’t hold on to the present state.
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Wow, so much wisdom here, thank you. Let me come back during the day as I process this.
Ok so yeah, as for motives it would be the continuation of why I ended up here which is the search for/magnetism to truth. Looking at the stages graph and getting the theoretical sense of what your true nature is one thing but the experience
Not sure if I’ll be a guide to others but I’m surely open to it.