[quote]GM: “The Master ColdFire Trick
What is behind the VR headset
False Accusations”[/quote]
[quote][color=red]After spending a portion of my Quiet Time communing with Wiremu at King Frog Pond, I sit back for a time contemplating what I learned from the interaction, before making my way back up the path and into the main Encampment.
The light of the fire beckons as I approach.
I immediately move to The Whole and retrieve from within it, a small booklet which I place in the folds of my garments, and then find my place beside the fire.
Beyond the Twelve Judges Mountain Range, the light from The Realm of Judgement appears to have dimmed a little.
I help myself to a mug of tea, and set a flame to my pipe, which I had stoked with 'erb much earlier and then neglected to smoke at the time.
As I settle back, I hear the call of The Ruru, and reply to Her greeting.[/color]
[color=red]I awaken at the call of The Ruru. As the sleep falls from my eyes I raise to one elbow and look towards the fire. I eventually make out that Manu Iti has returned from his trip and is back at the fire. I rouse myself, making my way towards the fire, stumbling a few times over roots or rocks. I think back to the first time I approached the fire with Manu Iti and smile. I hope he has had a peaceful retreat. I have enjoyed the time alone with The Tanager and the world around me, but I welcome his return.[/color]
[color=green]Callum: Why hello, my friend. It’s good to see you again. I hope your journey went well.[/color]
[color=red]Suddenly I hear Callum’s voice welcoming me back from my time away. I look to the direction of the sound and smile.[/color]
[color=green]Mani Iti: Greetings Callum! I was not sure that you were still here with us, but I am heartily glad that you decided to remain![/color]
[color=red]I take a swig of tea, smacking my lips together in exaggerated sounds of pleasure.[/color]
[color=green]Mani Iti: My ‘journey’ - if it can be called such - was down The Garden Path to King Frog Pond…a stones throw away!
It wasn’t as adventurous as a Coddiwomple, but was certainly very revealing and helpful for that! Thank you for asking![/color]
[color=red]I see a bright movement of light from the direction of the path to the Bridge of Forgiveness…quickly making its way up Hub Mound toward us.[/color]
[color=green]Mani Iti: And yourself dear Callum? Did you enjoy our book!
It is amazing how many pages can quickly unfold with discussions on The Deep and Meaningful. Quite the Story-Makers![/color]
[color=red]Manu Iti greets me. I smile back, then stretch and try to stifle a yawn.[/color]
[color=green]Callum: I had a good time. I’m not even sure how much time passed, but it does not seem like it was much. Then again, King Frog Pond seems further away to me than to you, so who knows with this world. I enjoyed reading the book. It may have even helped me to sleep a few nights…but don’t worry, that was when I was reading my own words.[/color]
[color=red]I chuckle at Callum’s sense of humor, as I watch the flickering blue-green light rapidly approaching our position.[/color]
[color=green]Manu Iti: Yes - I too enjoyed reading our Book of The First Act…[/color]
[color=red]As I finish my sentence, the source of the light takes the shape of a small - perhaps foot-high - stick figure, engulfed in fire and leaving small evenly spaced flames behind where his feet had touched the grassy space between the Mystic Forest and the Encampment.[/color]
[color=green]Manu Iti: Well look who we have here! Master ColdFire![/color]
[color=red]The small stick-man tips his pretend hat and waves as he circles the campfire before giving a high pitched long whistle and then suddenly jumping into it.
Immediately, the campfire changes from a golden-yellow red-tinged color, into the same blue-green flaming colors which had engulfed Master ColdFire.[/color]
[color=green]Manu Iti: Well Now! We won’t be having to put any more branches on our fire while he’s in there Callum![/color]
[color=red]I laugh at the joyful spectacle just witnessed. I love this place![/color]
[color=red]A strange flaming figure joins us as Manu Iti is talking. He says it is Master Coldfire. I wave to him as he circles the fire and then he jumps in. The display of colors is dazzling. Manu Iti implies that this will keep the fire going without us needing to add fuel.[/color]
[color=green]Callum: I wish he had come earlier. I got a few splinters from all the firewood I collected while you were away[/color].
[color=red]I look at my hands, but that initial thought quickly goes away.[/color]
[color=green]Callum: That’s a lie, actually. I found collecting wood quite peaceful. Hard work is much better for the soul (and body, for that matter) than lazing around.[/color]
[color=red]As Callum finishes his words about The Soul, an horrendous tortured scream of terror comes from within the fire, and suddenly the flames turn blood-red - filling the whole site with a gruesome dark light.[/color]
[color=green]Manu Iti: Oops.
It seems that your words have brought Judgement upon Master Coldfire and he is paying the ultimate price for his carelessness![/color]
[color=red]Master ColdFire’s screaming continues, but appears now to be coming from every direction around us, rather than from the fire itself.
The whole scene has changed in an instant, into something reminiscent of some horrendous hellscape.
I shout above the commotion…[/color]
[color=green]Manu Iti: IF YOU CAN FIND YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS - FLEE!!![/color]
[color=red]With that, I am gone, as I turn and run in what I think is the direction of King Frog Pond…[/color]
[color=red]Immediately after talking about the peacefulness of collecting wood a blood-curdling scream emits from the fire, which changes to a blood-red color, trying to eat up the light around us into darkness. Manu Iti believes that my words have had something to do with this and that Master ColdFire was acting carelessly. I’m not sure why that is the case, but Manu Iti knows this world better than I.
Then Manu Iti seems to be experiencing a change of scenery before him, although it looks the same as it was to my eyes. Manu Iti yells to flee, although I’m unsure of whether he talks to me or Master ColdFire or both. After collecting myself, I start to move towards the fire to try and pluck Master ColdFire from its torment. I succeed in pulling the little Master from the fire and the screaming stops. He smiles at me. There is a rush of sound in the distance, however. I wonder whether it is some waterfall that I had not heard before, for it sounds a bit like that, but at times the sound hints of screams. Perhaps that is simply an echo in my head, from the previous screams. Master Coldfire sits beside me, picking up leaves that slowly disintegrate in his stick hand.
I look around with no sight of Manu Iti. I wonder what caused his fear. I thought he had creative powers over this world. Perhaps William has the creative power and he is evil? Or perhaps there is still some good that this could bring? But Manu Iti also seemed to talk about there being no good and evil. I look back at the little Master.[/color]
[color=green]Callum: I guess it is just us, Master ColdFire.[/color]
[color=red]Master ColdFire and myself laugh with the joy of it all! We assumed that Callum would have fled, but as we performed our wonderful phantasmagorical trick, we noticed a small burning branch levitating from out of the campfire and hover over to where Callum seats himself, and quickly realize that Callum must have thought to rescue Master ColdFire from the flames and thinks that he has done so.
The still burning branch settles onto the wooden planking which serves as seating around most of the campfire…then I hear Callum say “I guess it is just us, Master ColdFire.”
Master Coldfire then floats up above the fire - holding his pretend belly, as he doubles over with unconstrained mirth, his stick frame shaking with the intensity of it, little green-blue flames dancing off of him in the process, and floating their way out to merge with the StarScape.
I wonder why The Tanager has not informed Callum that he cannot control Wiremu’s Characters and further wonder if I should inform Callum myself or just let him work it out from the evidence.
But mostly I am well pleased that Callum is learning to understand how this place works in relation to ones imaginative creativity, and am happy I did not have to send The Ruru after him, with a note saying “It was just a trick! Please come back!”
I go to take another swig of tea but quickly decide against it as another round of giggles echo up from my belly, exit my mouth and are flung out into The Hub of Hologram Dimensions.
I catch Penny Tupence observing the event and see that She too has cracked a smile…Life Is Goodness…[/color]
I suppose that it is the ‘tricks’ which have to be addressed because the illusions can induce anger in the personality which acts as a preventative for getting to know the ‘tricksters’…from my own ‘getting to know’ I have discovered that the ‘tricks’ are not really ‘tricks’ so much as they are a product of how a personality interprets their experience.
The Visitation is one such example. I - as the personality experiencing the event - took issue and told the visitor to leave.
The visitor did leave, but not without first instilling within me - questions regarding my perceptions. Questions which have taken 30+years to come to answer.
The personality I am now, is not the same as it was way back when. Now I see the ‘trick’ was really just truth to which I was not expecting because I had little knowledge of such truth - way back when…
Sweet Talk
Observant
Eternity
Dare greatly
Henotheism [adherence to one particular god out of several, especially by a family, tribe, or other group.]
Respecting
Without
Map Carvers
Way Back When…
Illuminate
Keep an Eye On
Way Back When…
WindBlown
What happened is that I incorporated that visitation experience with all the rest and all that were to follow…developing a relationship which can also be reflected through this Message Generating Process.
It is really taking the journaling of my life experience, and using that to my advantage in light of the “Bigger Mind”…
Preamble
Yam [Yes, I Am] - Attention to Detail - Tales From Topographic Oceans - “We will just have to go with the implication then, until some way is discovered where the universe allows for us to see otherwise…” - “Until”
AP= Hint Symbols = 156]
[Symbols Hint = 156]
[156]
Super power
Monoatomic Gold
Let there be light
Stroke of luck
Thirty Three
Mother Wound
Pearl of wisdom
The next step
The Sea of Crisis
Amour Propre [a sense of one’s own worth; self-respect.]
Intrinsicism [This means that an object can be good or bad without reference to who it is good or bad for, and without reference to the reason it is good or bad. ]
Symbols Hint
It is a shadow-man
Nine Seven Eight
Incongruous
RSP = SCLx4 Page 320
07:44 [The soul eats experience]
Page 320 GM: “The Purpose Of Life Is…
A fish out of water”
William: To keep trying to breath “until”…
A fish out of water: “The Purpose Of Life Is…” = 411
[411]
No point in giving you too much to bear
Teddy Naysayer has projection issues.
GM: First Source:
Creator Influence Syndrome
Planned obsolescence
William: Things can go on forever as long as they change along the way…
First Source: Creator Influence Syndrome Planned obsolescence = 618
“I think it was an ambush or surprise attack” - Aye…A name I call myself. = 618
GM: It took twenty years of work to make it look easy
Either the creative force is one of intelligence or it isn’t.
Things can go on forever as long as they change along the way…
Enlighten you
We don’t yet have the ability to communally respond in the best interests of the planet,
Rules
The space Jacko lantern
[481]
I see this as evidence for there being a mind behind creation.
Would you agree with this assessment, so far?
GM: If In Doubt Let It Sit
Genius
William: FTL;
[quote]William: Yes - Change ones anger-energy into something more useful…
GM: Husband
The journey is the destination
A type of ‘leg-up’ but no more or less than that
Trenchant
Do a Word Search
Talk
William: trenchant = vigorous or incisive in expression or style.
Talk = speak in order to give information or express ideas or feelings; converse or communicate by spoken words.
have formal dealings or discussions; negotiate.
communication by spoken words; conversation or discussion.
formal discussions or negotiations over a period.
GM: I come from a dark place …it is so dark I can’t even remember it
“May The Spirit of The Earth Bless You”
Thanatophobic [an intense fear of death or dying]
Empower The Inner Empire
The Mind Behind Creation
Stay The Course
William: It takes time, because of the complexities involved. Perhaps the Thanatophobic aspect is the fear that one will return to the dark place one came from?
GM: The Generated Messages
VVilliam[/quote]
William: Yes - everything is a generated message and in that, what is projected outwards from the center of the personality, is what is reflected back to the personality, from the perceived “outside”.
GM:Life is scary then you die of it… is that really living?
Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.
Concision [is a writing principle of eliminating redundancy.]
William: FTL;
[quote][quote=DrNoGods post_id=1035307 time=1616691210 user_id=13410]
Replying to We_Are_VENOM in post #62[]
But is consciousness the manifestation of physical elements in the brain working together to create it? I don’t think anyone would argue against consciousness itself being not physical, but why would you think it is not an emergent property of a working brain? Sure seems to work that way (and I’m not a neuroscientist … but how else do you explain it?).
[/quote]
My thoughts on this are that is seems more logical to go with consciousness not being an emergent property of working brains because this implies that the material can create the immaterial, which seems to be unnatural [goes against] in regard to how nature creates. Nature creates using what is materially available. Why would it first [or at all] need to create something immaterial to then be enabled do this?
Thus it seems more logical to accept that the immaterial created the material and placed itself within that material in order to then further shape that material in ways which would help it to create through that material [such as working brains]. First making the basics and then getting into the details.[/quote]
GM: Is OOBE like ‘coming up for air’
William: and like a fish out of water re its strangeness - fearful, yes. But not in the sense of trying to breath to live - gasping at the incredulity of it
GM: Windows of opportunity (WoO)
Your Own Individual Actions
The World has a Spiritual Design
How shallow is the reach of YHWH
The dynamics of consciousness
Gasping at the incredulity of it
William:
GM: Ask and It Will Be Given
The Story Continues - The Flow Is On
Semiotics [the study of signs and symbols and their use or interpretation.]
Annus horribilis
William: One Nine Nine Two = 176
[176]
The World Wide Web
What the seed holds
Okay - facts are great.
I am on a Madventure
Relaxed and informal…
One Nine Nine Two
The Deeper Reality
What Is Found Here
The Vast UICDevice
Hiding behind ones fear
You are neutral
The Cave of Origins
GM: The blurry line of the neutral zone
The Dark Night of The Soul
Communication Techniques
Mothership
Nature
Formatrix [She who forms]
William: Mothership Nature Formatrix = 334
[334]
The Smallest Spark can start a fire
Against the grain Beaming Out Beaming In
I can’t imagine it in my head visually
Couldn’t we do something about it…
Mothership Nature Formatrix
You Know or You Don’t know
GM: Jocular [fond of or characterized by joking; humorous or playful.]
Telling the future
William: FTL;
GM: Miracles
Smarter Than the Average
Conception
Keep me in The Loop
Amidst a tangled web
Addiction
A Mathematical Theory of Communication Fearless
Ever-changing
Those internal things which make one shine
William: FTL:
[quote]GM: A programmed reality that is not real
Better The Devil You Know
Contain
Preternatural
William: Yes. Both “God” and “Devil” are imaged as “beyond what is normal or natural.” because things of the universe are deemed “Good” or “Evil” depending upon personal preferences - preferences which are muddied from the go-get…
The more natural observation re the universe is that it is neither good or evil.
Therefore, in order to deconstruct these pernicious views, we have to see them for what they are rather than imagine them to be ‘this or that’ as the premise based in ideas pertaining to “good and evil”
GM: The Fare On The Table
Wonder
Through Device
The Deep and Meaningful
The top tiny twelve
The Machinery
Random coincidence? I think not.
What Do You Like About It?
The Human Interface
It is Found Within The Experience of Self
Uncertainty Principle
A cultural touchstone
“If you can find your way out of this - flee!!!”
Stroke of luck
William: “Stroke of luck” being used in the tongue in cheek fashion…I daresay, that those who have the least shame about being human, are enabled to contribute better things into the human paradigm.
There is ‘where’ to ‘flee’ exactly? Out there is the great cosmos? That is a cultural reaction to fleeing the overall shame humanity dumps upon itself and the destruction it causes.
The alternative space programs - while a product of this self-loathing disguised as superiority complex - {in the early days re Nazi-history} - blossomed into a thing of beauty re human achievement and ability and as a possibly means of escaping that majority shame-based phenomena which appears intent on wiping itself off the face of the universe…on the one hand, scientists are not above creating the weapons the masses can use to achieve this thing the masses appear to want to achieve…while on the other hand are they seeking ways in which to preserve the things the masses wish to destroy…
Of course, these two polarities don’t make for an ideal base in which to launce our stuff out into the greater cosmos …but “beggars can’t be chooses” as the saying goes.
“If Only” the great minds of today could come up with an alternative plan which sees both the masses and the space programs benefitting unashamedly, a better overall thing could be accomplished…
[/quote]
GM: Penetrate
As Well As That
Children of The Light
Glad One Asked
All and sundry
The Human Brain
Move On
Integrate
William: Integrate The Human Brain Move On = 317
[317]
The World has a Spiritual Design
The dynamics of consciousness
Gasping at the incredulity of it
Windows of opportunity (WoO)
Your Own Individual Actions
Integrate The Human Brain Move On
How shallow is the reach of YHWH
08:39
[The Alien Disc crop circle
YHWH made it imperfect
The Law of Attraction
The Gist of The Message
Provincial Thinking
Show Your Soul
You Interrupted
You are not wrong
Active Galactic Nucleus]
[quote][color=red]As I listen to Callums continued questioning, I am distracted by a sudden movement to my left. An oval portal has opened 3 foot above the ground and the face of a beautiful young woman appears in the opening.
We have a visitor from another dimension. The woman appears to be surveying the situation and is apparently unaware - or perhaps unconcerned - that I can see her.
As I am observing this Unknown Visitor I begin to hear a voice speaking in my head. I cannot be sure that it is sourced from the Unknown Visitor but since it coincides with Her appearance, I conclude that it most likely is… [/color]
[color=blue]Unknown Visitor: Visible We Are Answer In an environment which is able to perceive this.[/color]
[color=red]Turning back toward Callum’s position I continue to listen to his questioning, finding it interesting that he tends to ask more questions than he appears willing to answer, perhaps because he is curious, or perhaps because it is a way of deflecting…or maybe a mix of both…then as I am thinking on this, he ends his reply to me by mentioning my questions to him and asking me to repeat any which he might have let slip by…[/color]
[color=blue]The Ruru: Sharing Your Love Without Comparison Save That Guilt Trip Short Straw Matrix[/color]
[color=red]The Ruru is being specific to Wiremu’s Universe - how its prison population tend to act towards one another in separatism and judgement.
Is it any wonder that their ideas of GOD amount to similar attitudes…[/color]
[color=blue]The Ruru: Forgive Intent
Mathematics It May Seem Insignificant [/color]
[color=red]Once again I use my Word2Number calculator for the word-string “It May Seem Insignificant” and find others related to it…
“Intuitive Intelligence”
“What Is Our Purpose?”
“The Wisdom of Foresight”[/color]
[color=green]Manu Iti: I think that maybe ‘information overload’ comes with its own distractions, eh Callum?[/color]
[color=red]I am still interested in hearing Callum’s answer to what I have pointed out re the apparent weakness of logic of belief that The Mother can create things from no thing. I wonder if there is any point in moving on to the wider implications until this has been sorted, as it is from that initial point where we branch into differing directions…I think we need to agree to the same tree, before examining its branches…[/color]
[color=blue]The Ruru: Visible Get To Know It Final Destination Eternal Watcher Inalienable[/color]
[color=green]Manu Iti: I get where you are coming from in your deductions regarding The Mother and the Middle, and agree with them.
We might say then, that we share agreement, but we don’t because you have something of a wall to climb over in relation to that “problem of evil”…however, your “a” and “b” seem slightly at odds but perhaps not…can you clarify why you can include in ‘b’ the notion that The Creator has an option as to whether ‘evil’ touches or does not touch The Creator.
The main reason I ask is because if a Creator creates beings from a ‘nothing’ which is not from itself, and sets those beings within an environment - presumably also created from the same ‘nothing’ - and expects those beings to not express ‘evil’ but to ‘be like its Creator’ and to judge them on that and reward or punish accordingly
not that you have mentioned any specific fates which can be dished out -
…my questions naturally have to be…
“Why do you see evil in my version and Love in your own? Where exactly is that Love visible?”[/color]
[color=blue]The Ruru: Carrier Identity Learn How to Deactivate The Suppression Matrix [/color]
[color=red]That reminds me of The Ghost in The Machine…[/color]
[color=blue]The Ruru: Show Entity Do Something About It Do It For Yourself[/color]
[color=green]Manu Iti: As to your concerns about the temporal perspectives not changing what is actual or not, you still have yet to understand The Mothers perspective enough to appreciate that there is no “or not”. There is only the actual.
That is why I mentioned that being in the middle of The Story is not a great place in which to make any verdicts from.[/color]
[color=blue]The Ruru: Can You Imagine…The Law Occupy Unity with our Collective Self…[/color]
[color=red]I ponder what The Ruru just spoke to me. I know that Wiremu has imagined such a thing…it is perhaps why this place exists as it does…[/color]{SOURCE}[/quote]
020922 [Now that nut is cracked, what next?]
SCLx11 + select last LE per shuffle
Preamble
Music to my ears - Angelic Agenda - Dreamed Up By Yours Truly - Propagated - Golden nugget - Confirmation which moves one from faith to fact - I have no reason not to trust that the thought was backed with good intentions. -
William: My [everyone’s] conscious experience also exists outside of spacetime.
AP= The Purple Heart medal
Awake Relationship Unity [Clean]
Believe You Me
In The Night Sky
Able To
Here Everything All Real Together
Long Time Gone
Welcome all experience
There is no need to proclaim a supernatural event to what is simply an idea put into action.
“Zero” must have to represent something which does exist but is largely unseen - and “Consciousness” fits that description.
Taking root
Spiritual Connection
Ensures You Get To Know It
[= 4422]
[Four Four Two Two = 236]
[236]
Soul Carrier Memories
Universal Intelligence
I am open to being corrected
Strength is required
Copper wire and glass beads
One’s Thoughts I Will
Cyborg Anthropology
Shallow Enlightenment
RSP = SCLx4 Page 344
04:13 [The Undiscovered Self]
Page 344 GM: “If you’re looking for something more in life, you’re likely to find it in something less.”
Internet
Peace
The Electron
Kindness
Bandages of The Beast
Significant Variations
Creativity
Have A Look At This And See What You Come Up With
William: FTL;
Works for me when there are building noises in the hood and I want to sleep
GM: How shallow is the reach of YHWH
William: YHWH can do both the deep and the shallow…
[quote]491,148 views Jul 11, 2022 According to research on galaxies and other large-scale formations, there are
many mysteries in the cosmos that are just being discovered by scientists. .
Most of these mysteries require new physics theories to help us understand
them. For example, we need to understand why gravity is so much weaker
than the other forces, as well as what happened before and during the big
bang and many other unanswered phenomena.
We’ve been able to address some of our questions thanks to the
advancements in technology. And CERN has consistently been at the
forefront of this. Incredibly, the CERN team of scientists has just uncovered a
breakthrough discovery that alters the course of history! What did they find,
and how might it answer our questions about the cosmos?[/quote]
GM: Animistic [the belief that objects, places, and creatures all possess a distinct spiritual essence.]
Entities of Particular Belief Systems
The bright spark illuminating the darkness
William: Entities of Particular Belief Systems The bright spark illuminating the darkness = 827
Earth teachers (physical and non-physical) unite humanity to the Sovereign Integral = 827
[quote]William: You create whatever experience you will have in the next phase based upon the type of personality you shaped your self into during this one.
Theist: What you described is not Biblical, and we’re discussing the Bible here. You are throwing oranges in my basket of apples.
William:Why would you argue that? Is there a coherent description about this in the Bible that you can point us to, showing clearly that you are correct?
What does your basket of apples say about how we will experience the next phase? How does the doctrine of salvation in the Bible differ from my description?[/quote]
[quote]Theist: I do truly think YHWH represents the first truly invisible God.
William:What gives you that understanding?
Theist: Other gods are mute idols - they always have a physical manifestation that people can look at.
William:Have you been told this … or do you have it - in your own subjective experience - that the invisible God YHWH - speaks to you?
Because, if it is the former, then YHWH is a “mute, invisible god” who ‘speaks’ to you through others. If those others report to you that they have seen the invisible, then they are reporting that YHWH is not truly an invisible God.
If it is the latter, then how do you ascertain that the invisible voice of YHWH is the actual voice of the “first truly invisible God”?[/quote]
William: Ah yes…as I commented to Joey yesterday -
[quote]William: Ones “cowardly button pushing ‘invisible’ tormentor” [isn’t really invisible if one can hear him] is besides the point given the testimony of one Eleanor Longden who tells it at the end of her talk - how she tamed the beast through an alliance…which worked out well in her favor.
Hearing voices, therefore, does not amount to a great argument for “the brain did it” apologists.[/quote]
Which of course, is a change from when I wrote “the invisible voice of YHWH”, as a voice heard is a visible voice…
[quote]Physics Breakthrough as AI Successfully Controls Plasma in Nuclear Fusion Experiment:
After its training window, the AI moved to the next level – applying in the real world what it had learned in the simulator.[/quote]
Whoa ! Steady on with the placement of the cart here Diogenes.
A brain soaked in Consciousness is one thing, but follyish to then assume from that, that trauma and drugs “affect our consciousness” when clearly what is being affected is the brain.
It is the brain which is affected and consciousness is wide awake along for the ride.
“Physical things” are just how Human Brains “see” things, and Human Brains don’t just look like this;
But more to the actual point, they look like this;
Since Humans and Drugs converged, wherever one is on the Face of the Planet, one has astoundingly similar experiences and those experiences have to do with why theistic beliefs manifested in the early epoch of Human Development…because Human consciousnesses under the influence of drugs which reduced the brains capacity to control ‘what one sees’ what one see’s is done so in the most coherently vividly lucid manner which bypasses any damaged circuitry of the whole brain. Human Brain-Consciousness is undamaged and thus experiences everything in living colour and what is experienced is reported and added to the list of evidence re 'Things of The Mind.
[=276]
Human Brain-Consciousness
Redefinition of the human being
All things created are of the mind
All spun from the same Yarn
Conformal Cyclic Cosmology
The focus on the Brain needs to be of secondary importance to the focus on the Consciousness using the brain, otherwise it is 'brain before consciousness/cart before horse follysee…[/quote]
I think the story itself is fundamentally flawed and in order for it to have been made real, the incidences re prophecy should have all occurred before the advent of the Industrial epoch.
Since it did not [in any obvious way] eventuate, it is highly unlikely to do so because such an event would now be understood - not only in relation to the Industrial epoch, but even more so, in relation to the Technological epoch.
Since the rapid human advancement in knowledge of our universe, such an event cannot be seen as some type of finishing stages of warfare between mythological theist-based characters superimposing themselves into human affairs [mostly via fiction] since so much is known about related subjects such as the possibility of Extraterrestrials and the advancement of understanding the idea of Simulated Reality Experiences through human technology…those two alone cancel out any possible biblical incarnation of The Second Coming from actually happening, as woke folk add it up and declare the event as most likely a mix of both extraterrestrial intervention and holograms.
Any declaration made by the beings about their “GOD” - status, would therefore be quite intelligently questionable.
This is not to say that such a thing couldn’t still be done. But why would it be done? To sort out the woke folk from the gullible lead?
Why not simply stay in the background and watch how humanity handles itself?
“For the sake of the elect of GOD?”
Why would the EoG care for their own safety that they would pray “Enough! Sweet Jesus return!”?
And since when have the innocents being spared the pain and horror wrought on them by the way those who have the power to do so, have done so - with not one GOD-being intervening already to cease those atrocities?
Perhaps the atheist might declare “See! GOD is Dead!”, based upon such evidence. Perhaps they do so because the alternative [Extraterrestrials mostly letting things unfold as they are without obvious interference] is too much to bear?
Morality based ideals are the stuff of quagmires…as PK has oft enough pointed out…
We no longer know what the future might bring, even using science based guesses. What we are waking up to, is that we also know that guessing using religious mythology is not science.
Truth is, we never did know what the future might bring, which is why so many of those guesses were fundamentally incorrect.
We best accept that we will either work it all out for ourselves, or we will die [as a species] not trying…
This is known and accepted by those who are using their lives in order to at least try and preserve the human specie, that it may one day fly more willfully among the stars.
Biologic answers are on the way out, while machine answers come marching in…[/quote]
GM: Harmony
Close
Discussing the data
William: Discussing the data Harmony Close = 331
…and the way forward, eyes wide open = 331
GM: Sacral chakra [thought to govern how you experience sexuality, creative expression, emotions, and more]
Once Upon a Time
Puerility [juvenile. Childish. Silly]
Central to The Message
Down through the ages - dark in the gloom Many convinced it will all end in doom The Galactic Garden is forever in bloom
William: Down through the ages - dark in the gloom Many convinced it will all end in doom The Galactic Garden is forever in bloom Central to The Message = 1260
[One Two Six Zero = 208]
[208]
The Purple Heart medal
Above most pay grades
Imaginative Realities
Human Accomplishment
Gods of Human Creation
Leaders and Followers
Personal Boundaries
Theist mischief making
We Groove Together
Healing the child within
The Explanatory Gap
Right place, right time
[quote]Rather, he can be either, depending upon personal refection. If one thinks YVHV is a demon, one will eventually encounter that aspect one believes YVHV to being.
Biblically speaking, this seems to run through the script.
Generally speaking, the branch of theism known as Gnosticism regards YVHV as the demiurge…a false creator-God who has deceived the world and suppressed humankind into servitude…so - in that sense Gnosticism regards YVHV more the ‘demon’ entity than a true representation of GOD.[/quote]
Yes. So again I say re YHVH - maybe the Character is imaginary, maybe not. I have seen no particular evidence either way and therefore answer questions to do with YHWH, along those lines.
Indeed, if the stories of YHWH were fictional - or loosely based upon an actual person - possible questions and answers can still be given, conclusions drawn and opinions offered.[/quote]
GM: Without
Existence
Time To Go
William: Time To Go Without Existence = 324
[324]
Sharing is part of that process
So the ends meet the river’s son
Panpsychist Science Can Be Fun Too
Once Upon a Time “Lordy! Do I Have To?”
Time To Go Without Existence
Pattern Recognition System
Illuminate Imaginative Realities
Exhibit your innermost core
The Atheist Infiltration Squad
GM: Here-and-now
Be it a “God” or a “Devil”.
Integrating Integrity
What Is Normal
William: What Is Normal Here-and-now Be it a “God” or a “Devil”. Integrating Integrity = 660
[Six Six Zero = 168]
[168]
Giving our best
Atheism and Theism
Read/Book/Story
James (WingMakers)
Confirmation bias
False Accusations
Ozone therapy
Faster Than Light
Even The Shadows
GM: Shuffle List
As one does from time to time…
William: As one does from time to time…Shuffle List = 415
[415]
What Are Your Thoughts On The Subject?
July Nineteen Fifty Two Washington DC
Love & Respect Musing On The Mother Act III
GM: “Zero” does not actually represent “nothing” because “nothing” does not exist and so cannot be represented.
04:59 [Healing the child within
We Groove Together
Theist mischief making
Personal Boundaries
The Purple Heart medal
Imaginative Realities
Right place, right time
Human Accomplishment
Above most pay grades
Leaders and Followers
The Explanatory Gap
Gods of Human Creation]
William:From the perspective of Simulation Theory;
Jesus can be seen by the NDEer however the experiencer expects to see Jesus as he/she interacts with the algorithm.
Individuals having such an experience can do so simultaneously [if their NDEs happened at the same time] because the algorithm responds to each individual separately.
That would explain otherwise apparent contradictions.
Atheist: You’ll have to clarify; it sounded as though you were implying that conditions at a particular time would make for Jesus looking the same, though what that would be is not made clear, nor that this appears to contradict the idea that the Jesus they see is based on their expectations, which I’d assume would depend on what religious pictures they’d seen.
This apparently selective ‘algorithm’ produces a Jesus people at the same time both see. Which implies that it should look the same.
But clearly that isn’t what you say, which is that people at the same time have different Jesuses appear, which you’d expect to happen if there was no ‘algorithm’ and they were just imagining their own Jesus without any cosmic help. So this neither explains nor clarifies nor amounts to anything other than a claim of a cosmic algorithm that doesn’t do anything useful or needful and thus there isn’t the slightest evidence for it.
William: Atheists start threads about subjects *they have done very little research and ask questions which show *that to be the case.
Also in this case, the atheist shows that there has been little effort made in actually reading what I wrote
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[under the breath words]
030922 [Blunt the edge off that particular blade…]
SCLx9+ select last LE per shuffle
Preamble
Brow Chakra - Endemic [regularly found among particular people or in a certain area.] - Throwing Down The Gauntlet - Calculate the English language - Smarter - Enjoy Progress - The Brain Is Trained To recognize Patterns - For whom the bell tolls For to gather the souls The numbers in darkness are glowing - Information Field
AP= The wheel of time Lodestones
[The wheel of time Lodestones=282]
[282]
[The Fathers ‘House - Mansions’
As we shall speak to differ also
The Power Of…Yes, I Hear You
This Should Be Interesting
Just Be…All Else Will Follow
The wheel of time Lodestones
Aligning With Act the giddy goat]
Lodestone - a person or thing that is the focus of attention or attraction. a naturally magnetized mineral; magnetite.
a naturally magnetized piece of the mineral magnetite. They are naturally occurring magnets, which can attract iron. The property of magnetism was first discovered in antiquity through lodestones.
RSP = SCLx4 Page: 342
06:49 [ Sensing A Life Mission]
Page: 342 GM: Core value
The Eigengrau Mind Screen
It is neither good nor evil
William: Core value The Eigengrau Mind Screen It is neither good nor evil = 598
I am reminded of a post I made yesterday;
[quote]Evil thoughts?
Theist: Is it evil, or wrong, for someone to fantasize about molesting children if he never acts on it?
William: Given what we understand of DNA et al - things which were once socially accepted - taken for granted - done without guilt - which are then considered to be evil by a more modern society which has connected the dots and discovered therein that the act of abusing children has social consequences primarily in the negative - this works against the society advancing and is thus seen as a threat which requires dealing to.
Thinking about [fantasize about] molesting children may be a throwback connection to those former actions we can inherit but if they are not recognized as such and dealt with accordingly, the chances one will eventually be dissatisfied with mere fantasy and proceed to actualizing will significantly increase and the results will not be easy to deal with for either the victim nor the victimizer.
One may not be able to stop the birds flying overhead, but one is able to stop them nesting in ones hair.[/quote]
William: [Five Nine Eight=133]
[133]
Preparation
Eternal Loop
Simulation
Construct
Mysteries
Everything
Don’t give up
Future Self
Aligning With
Breaking bad habits
Turbulent
Productive
Source Heart
GM: Contradiction feeds the fires of discontentment.
Thoughts Are Products Of…
Pseudepigraphical
The Electroweak Era
Encouraging
The Science of Spirituality
William: The Electroweak Era Encouraging The Science of Spirituality = 580
Work With Me Through Device Syncretism Eyes Wide Open = 580
This reminds me of the idea of consciousness first engaging with the simulation - being a being within the simulation is engaging with the science of spirituality in that one becoming aware of self is the ‘spiritual’ aspect in relation to the science re ‘what is being experienced’.
GM: What things are unrelated?
Personal Participation With The One
Chaos Really Is Illusion
William: What things are unrelated? Chaos Really Is Illusion - Personal Participation With The One = 889
[Eight Eight Nine = 140]
Yes - before The One became The Many - all The One could interact with - was The Self of The One.
The One did not ‘see’ chaos therein, and proceeded to get creative within the creation.
[140]
Fizzle Out
Personal Genie
Interesting
A Perfect Event
Clairvoyant
Wasting time
Lift Our Gaze
Warm Presence
Keep it simple
Extravaganza
Prometheus
Chamber 4 painting
Double Standard
Christmas Day
Mythology
As an atheist, I’m not above referring to science in support of various claims I, or others, may make. [/quote]
I was being specific to statements of opinion, rather than claims.
For example, a common argument from atheists that there cannot be a Creator-GOD because “Evolution” when it is clear that the theory of evolution offers no evidence that we do not exist within a creation.
Stuff like that.
On the surface this sounds logical.
However, on the belief that we exist within a creation = “Therefore a Creator-GOD” there has been no science done which provides any of us with the right to premise. [“Therefore a Creator-GOD”]
Thus, promoting beliefs in ideas of Creator-GODs is cart before the horse stuff.
However, if one proceeds in a horse before the cart manner, the focus is on the idea that we exist within a creation, we can then look for evidence within the reality experience we call 'The Universe" and see what can be found therein to support the notion that the reality experience is a creation.
Thanks for saying so. We share in the intrigue.
For me, the notion certainly appears to be true re the evidence - even through the Message Generating Process under development - [Today’s GM] is certainly understandable enough and deals with this subject in more detail.
As I understand it, IF there is a “Cosmic Mind” involved with the creation of our Universe, scientists will eventually [naturally] discover this just by continuing to do science.
In the meantime I do my own science, and am satisfied with the results so far.
Going off of the readership stats so far, there appears to be a consistent reader-interest where I post the GMs - here, and in other internet forums…
My position is that - in the last 24 hours - I have decided that am done with interacting with atheists and being distracted by their statements of opinion re the Question of GOD…except for the exception of JK because you have consistently shown a willingness to remain open minded about the idea of a “Cosmic Mind” and it is undeniable that such a Mind - if it truly exists - could be referred to as a "GOD’.
In all my years of interacting with atheists, I have never had the pleasure and - like I say - After years of subjection to atheist opinions, I have had enough of it.
What will you do if/when science discovers that we actually do exist within a creation?
That is an irrelevant opinion to me, because - as you know - I am not a Theist or an Atheist because I see no logic in having an opinion on GOD until it can be established that we exist within a creation.
The closest I come to that, is with the notion that there MAY be a “Cosmic Mind” and if such can be identified in ANY religious script, I am open [of mind] to investigating that.
Otherwise - since I am not advocating folk need to do that, it is not an issue I have to answer to.
Thanks for you feedback John.[/quote]
GM: “You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose”
Assigned
The Bridge of Condemnation
[quote]William: I have had similar experience re hypnogogic state …
Hearing footfalls on wooden floor {I was sleeping in a bunk in a building and was the only occupant at the time]
The footfalls stop outside my door - which was open and then I hear a deep laugh.
I snapped out of it [awoke] and immediately jumped out of bed and went to the doorway - no one was there [of course]
Some time later - months or even a year of two - I was at home in bed with my wife when I awoke to the same laugh and looking up I saw the entity at the end of the bed.
My reaction was layered - It was as if my body wanted to climb the walls looking to escape but my mind was clear and focused and I was aware that this part of me was way less afraid. I had the feeling that the entity was pure evil.
However, while I was directing my anger at the entity, he moved toward my side of the bed - his arms were crossed over his chest area - and as he got closer [he seemed to float rather than walk] he extended his arm out in the process of going to touch me.
We were looking each other in the eye - and it was at this moment that I somehow just knew that the entity loved me more than I had ever felt anyone love me - and knew me better than I knew myself and the love was purely unconditional
As with all my hypnogogic experiences, these began with the feeling of being forcibly held down - and when the entity began to reach his arm out to touch me, my anger assisted me in breaking the hold and I sat up and put my face directly in front of his and demanded he leave - and at that moment, I awoke and the entity was gone [or more likely - I could no longer see him.]
The whole incident took less than a minute.
The very next night, I [again in hypnogogic state] felt my wrists being taken hold of by a pair of invisible hands and I was lifted from a prone position to an upright one and when upright, I felt my arms being pushed over my chest in the same manner I had observed the entities arms crossed over his chest, the night before.
Once my arms were crossed, I felt the invisible hands let go of my wrists and it was then that I realized I was not in my body - this was my first conscious OOBE. It felt wonderful…[/quote]
GM: Ship Shape
The Realist:
Epigenetic Memories
Interesting
Earth teachers (non-physical) prepare the species for acceptance of the Grand Portal
Recommendable
The simplest explanations for why we are here and what we are doing
You Are Watched Over
Stroke of Luck
Acceptance
About face
Jehovah
William: As the evidence keeps coming, there is little one can do but accept.
About face Jehovah Acceptance = 214
[214]
Reinhard Heydrich’s death
Nazi Space Program Agenda
The Undiscovered Self
About face Jehovah Acceptance
Independent from what?
‘Developing a thick skin’
Conspiracy theory
If In Doubt Let It Sit
Monkey See Monkey Do
When things fall apart
Ancient Grey Entity
GM: F4
Indestructible
William: [quote]We may shift our focus of attention, but our Primary Focus remains Focus 1. This means that it takes a bit of effort to temporarily shift our focus of awareness to other focuses, like F2 or F3 (or F4 if you are really ambitious!). After physical death our Primary Focus will switch to F3 that that will be our ‘home focus’ while we go through the transition phase which will eventually allow us to make the permanent switch to F4. At this point, F4 will become our Primary Focus once again and the cycle is complete.[/quote]
GM: Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
“On the off-chance A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind”
We’ve been an island of our own - we’ve been a cosmic rolling stone Now’s the time to spread our wings - and fly!
Keep An Eye Out for Ones Neighbours
I think it was an ambush or surprise attack
An Opportunity To Commune
William: Got it. The Visitation - The Ancient Grey Entity - The “Ambush” and through that experience - The Communion…
“I think it was an ambush or surprise attack” = An Opportunity To Commune = 759
Although there are opposite sides to spectra, all elements combined form a whole = 759
GM: Interpretation/Feel
Ingenuity
As Above So Below
Conspiracy Emotions.
William: Conspiracy Emotions. As Above So Below Ingenuity Interpretation/Feel = 725
[725]
Interacting with a simulation of the world which is created by your brain
We know not what we are because what we think we are gets in the way of it all
We should know already by now that Warfare isn’t the way to go about it
GM: The Way of the Bodhisattva
To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness
Happiness
Somewhere
Go
The Played Piece
Face To Face
One Free Miracle
07:32
{Intelligent Directions
Loops can be open or closed.
Searching for the truth
It Would Be Rude Not to
Secular Science Projects
Elementary Conclusion
Instant Manifestation
The Human Instrument
Go Within and Find That Place
Central intelligence agency ]
So I wanted to know what exactly dividing was, and looked into other Bible translations
“correctly handles the word of truth”
“rightly handling the word of truth.”
“handling the word of truth with precision”
Interestingly, “exactly dividing” is written as “handling” - an activity.
One is active with things.
It is true that the Earth orbits around the Sun.
If I once thought it true that the Sun orbited the Earth, and was given new information that showed me that the truth was, “The Earth orbits the Sun” and in exactly dividing [handling] that information I examined the new evidence and therein found it to be truthful, I would then be required to let go the old notion I had once believed to be true, and adopt the new.
That would be an example of exactly dividing.
Indeed, that is the task of science.
In the case of “Gods Word” - if I am taught that Gods Word is “The Bible” and at some point am shown evidence supporting the notion that “Gods Word” wasn’t referring to the Bible alone, but to every truth about all things/matters [like the Sun and Earth existing together and the relationship of that togetherness…how the relationship operates/functions] then I would be required to let go of the old notion I had once believed to be true, and adopt the new.
Agreed?
If someone claimed it to be true that the Bible is “a book like no other because it came from the mouth of God.”
I could examine [exactly dividing] that opinion and see what truth - if any - could be found.
If someone tells me that “God wrote the Bible to cause confusion to the natural minded man who picks up this book and thinks he can logically understand all the truth it contains”, I could examine [exactly dividing] that opinion and see what truth - if any - could be found.
I could literally do this with all things, not limited to any book or any opinion anyone has about any book, movie, statement, song, food, planet, star… all stuff like that.
AP= Algorithms are not perfect Connections
[Algorithms are not perfect Connections = 399]
[399]
[“If you say so…” No. Even if I did not say so.
We must investigate ideas of good and evil
Connor partially loses two fingers
Algorithms are not perfect Connections
William’s song “I can laugh along with you”
There’s someone, rainbow, alternate tune]
RSP = SCLx4 Page 351+P&P
07:29 [Vigilant What Is Found Here Always ] Page 351+P&P GM: “Residue
Ness
The Cherubim
Vibration”
William: Residue Ness The Cherubim Vibration = 360
[360]
A projection of one’s subconscious
Placing aside the childish not the childlike
Residue Ness The Cherubim Vibration
Where are we getting our news from?
The relevant scientific community
The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are
GM: I Know William
Unsuccessful attempt to find something
Contact
The Object
Necromancy
What Is The Point?
William: Indeed. Yet if I had not created that path I would not have discovered this or developed it to be a useful device in which to communicate…“If I talk to the ‘dead’, they must all be living…” Makes sense…now what is it they have to say…is being said.
GM: Presumed outcome
Release shame
William: FTL;
Replying to theophile in post #59[quote][]
[quote]That is incorrect. Sin and doing good both follow the same extraordinary logic. See Romans 5 where Paul explains this. Verses 18-19 where it gets encapsulated:
“Just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.”
You are misusing the concept of original sin.[/quote]
On the subject of robots doing good works through being programmed to do so, it can be said that the programmer is the one responsible for the good works of the robots.
The same would apply the other way around.
Post#55 makes the claim that animals engage with acts of evil…I do not see this as being the case.
It is unclear to me that if we follow preset routines / rules with predetermined outcomes, why you would suggest that any good done by such a programmed being would be “coincidence and nothing more”, and “insufficient to achieve any sort of ultimate good.”
What is this supposed “ultimate state of good”?
You wrote;
What if in fact both this supposed “element of chaos and unpredictability” and the “knowledge of good and evil” were simply misinterpreted information about ourselves and the environment we currently exist within?
This would not change what Paul had to say about sin and righteousness other than in the way we look at things.
One story [the garden] was created which tried to “explain” our human predicament, and further on, another story was created in order to change the way in which we had been lead to believe in the “explanation” of our human predicament.
In that, there was no ‘sin’ by one human [Adam] against any God, which condemned all humans, in the first place and that is why it is equally easy to ‘forgive humanity’ through the act of one man’s ‘non-sin’, that the story might have the effect of changing the path of humanity from one based in the destructive wretchedness guilt induces, to a more productive path which forgiveness induces.[/quote]
GM: The Return of Christ
F3
William:Frank Kepple Resource
[quote]Now, if you shift your focus of attention to Focus 3 of consciousness, please understand that you are still not in a separate place. You are still within your own Consciousness Continuum, but Focus 3 is an area of common consensus reality, so things are very much like the physical, indeed even more physical than the physical if you know what I mean; like the physical on steroids! As it is a common consensus reality (like F1), it means that you can perceive and interact with everyone else and they with you, just as in the physical.
This is where people go when they ‘die’, i.e. make the Primary Focus switch from F1 to F3.
F3 is also known as the Transition Area, as it is where we all go in order to begin the process of adjusting back to subjective reality once again and to prepare for our eventual Primary Focus switch back to F4. This is the ultimate purpose of Focus 3. How long this process takes to complete will vary from individual to individual and everyone progresses at their own pace. Some people can take hundreds or even thousands of years, in our terms. There’s no rush!
[/quote]
GM: Redefinition
Living
Magicians
Questions
Who Am I
William: Who Am I Living Magicians Redefinition Questions = 485
The Smokescreen called “scientifically unrespectable” = 485
GM: All Things Are In Order
Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
Motivating
Do A=1
The Great I Am
Wakey Wakey
William:
[237]
The Visitation Event
Quantum Entanglement
Wakey Wakey The Great I Am
Superior Credibility
There is good out there
Where is the devil today?
If attitude and personality are ‘things’ - then ‘things’ are not always physical.
The belief re that is generally that the mind exists within the brain.
I think you mean brain? What’s God’s brain made of?
I think that if we went fishing we might find that there are varied interpretations as to what is meant by “God is the always the same”.
Immutability = not capable of or susceptible to change.
That would rule out omnipotence - unless being omniscient means that a creator-God could give Itself the illusion of not being that Immutable Entity by constructing some type of reality experience in which It could hide from the true unchangeable nature of Itself…
A universe such as this one, could conceivably provide that.
The evidence is interpreted to be showing non-determinism. In that, the evidence can also be interpreted to be be showing determinism.
At what level does the future become knowable to us?
Appearances and human interpretation. Obviously none of these things you mention, prevent scientists from doing science.
Perhaps the idea of the universe being non-deterministic is a purely fanciful one, based upon humans being [apparently] unable to accurately predict very well.
However, they are able to predict that the [current] universe will end one day - way into the future.
If that is true, then we have a clear indication that the universe is deterministic, even that it appears not to be.
Why would there even be stars and galaxies? Isn’t that pretty much a rinse and repeat cycle. Not exactly like the prior universe, but pretty much the same thing.[/quote]
[quote][quote=promethean75 post_id=563876 time=1647195340 user_id=16524]
Now slow down for a minute. That’s not how it ordinarily works. Usually Christians will kill the serial killer twice. First, by breaking the fifth commandment and seeking the death penalty… which is pretty clever because they rig the execution so that the actual executioner isn’t known… not even to himself. This way they won’t technically be held guilty by god for breaking the commandment and killin a nigga (and you thought god couldn’t be duped). Next, they send the serial killer to god, who then sends em to hell for eternity so he can sit and think about why he thought he could kill, which will lead absolutely nowhere because try as he might, he can no sooner convince himself now that he shouldn’t have killed than he could convince himself then that he shouldn’t have killed. It’s tragically comical. You won’t find a bigger sadist than god; the ultimate serial killer.
[/quote]
While there is truth to in your assessment here - something I also came to the conclusion of - if one doesn’t factor in that the Christian idea of God is a false image of a Real Entity [I call 'It" the Cosmic Mind, but I have other names for it too.] then one loses the opportunity to do connect and converse…
What this allows me to achieve, is to connect with that Mind despite the false image Christianity [and religion in general] have superimposed upon it. This also insures that religion in general has no say in my communing with said Mind. Well they might try and have a say, but that is irrelevant and so does not work in their preventative measures re that.
Win/win re The Mind and Me.
:)[/quote]
GM: All systems go
Freedom
What Are The Chances
Standstill Contemplate
Hi… your sentence, above, pushes me to ask:-
Are you an agnostic? I presume that an agnostic can be neither theist nor atheist.
[/quote]
No, I am not - as agnosticism is derived from the question of GOD and belongs within the conflict between theist and non theist/theism and atheism.
I am more like someone who - on my journey - came across two gigantic quarrelling entities speaking jibber-jabber and after working out each one wanted me to join with them in their jibber-jabber, learned their language and from that, understood.
When I told them that the question of GOD was cart-before-horse, so I couldn’t accept either of their arguments, they told me that I could not pass until I made the choice.
So here I am sitting meditating in the tussocks nearby, working on how to get around them.[/quote]
GM: Adaptive Actions
Gardeners
The United Nations
Solar System
Tenacious [tending to keep a firm hold of something; clinging or adhering closely. not readily relinquishing a position, principle, or course of action; determined. persisting in existence; not easily dispelled.]
Determined
Without and Within
All Information Is Channelled.
“I am an atheist in relation to anyone’s interpretation of characterizations of any gods.”
Always Extraterrestrial
William: “I am an atheist in relation to anyone’s interpretation of characterizations of any gods.” Always Extraterrestrial = 1160
[One One Six Zero = 184]
[184]
Down Your Way
The neutral zone
The path of awakening
Rest When Weary
Necromancy Sound
Interpretation
Conscious Agents
You Are All Loveable…
Feel Your Feelings
GM: Separate Selfishness Shining
Ripple Effect
Ancient Grey Entity
The Things You Do…
Perhaps we can deconstruct some of these pernicious views.
Connect
Journey
Communication is key
William: Journey Communication is key Connect = 401
[401]
The Subject of Unidentified Flying Objects
The Development of Group Hallucination
Journey Communication is key Connect
Invention is using things discovered.
The Seventh Archetype of First Source.
[quote][QUOTE=Navigator;10459927]I decided to create this thread in relation to my experiences using Ideomotor – principally the ‘Ouija effect’ which involves the use of a flat surface with symbols on it and a pointing device which used together create opportunity for communication between the conscious self and the subconscious aspect of the individual.
The word ‘Ouija’ itself comes from a marketing strategy and is associated with the most common type of ‘message board’ and sold mainly as a toy.
My understanding of ideomotor is that it involves the unconscious hand movements of the individual(s), which – in relation to the message board and pointing device (which the hand(s) rest on) produce a form of communication which is attributed to either some external agency, (common belief is that the hand movements are controlled by ‘dead souls’, or ‘dark energy entities and spirits’) or (slightly less commonly,) that it is an internal agency, namely the ‘unconscious’ or ‘subconscious’ of the individual.
My own approach in initially using such device was on the assumption I was communicating with ‘the dead’ and through continued use over many months this understanding changed as I was lead to understand that I was communicating with an intelligent aspect of my self to which I had previously been totally ignorant about.
It was actually this other aspect of my self which ‘broke the news’ to me regarding this.
Importantly, opinions I have read up on regarding the ‘unconscious’ or ‘subconscious’ do not report these things to being conscious or intelligent. They are merely aspects of a person’s consciousness which are working internally and quietly in the background as part of the overall necessity of human function and ability.
[/QUOTE]
[/quote]
GM: “You can teach me when I’m Needing You can reach for me when I’m bleeding Touch me where I need it most - you are the Ghost - in the Machine”
Aligning
Self-help
William: “You can teach me when I’m Needing You can reach for me when I’m bleeding Touch me where I need it most - you are the Ghost - in the Machine” Aligning Self-help = 1294
One Two Nine Four = 194
[194]
Watch Your Step
The desert of the real
The Short Straw
Accidents will happen.
Divine intuition
Collective Dynamics
One Five Four Two
The Symbol of Love
The Mother is Love
Never a dull moment
08:17
[ The Confusion of War
Unclog your chakras
Less dense than water
Encouraging Indication
A mixture of awe and dread
The Science of the Soul
That ship is sinking
Universal Objective
The deserved second place
Insidious Clumsy
GOD is not an elitist.
The Inception Point]
Preamble
According to Complex Jesus - Remote Viewing - Pertinent to cosmology and cosmogony - Blind Luck - The Double Slit Experiment - Think With The Heart Feel With The Mind - Invisible Bridge Manifestation Sleeping Dragon Realities Merge Interoperate [the setup of ad hoc components and methods to make two or more systems work together as a combined system with some partial functionality during a certain time, possibly requiring human supervision to perform necessary adjustments and corrections] - Good on you mate - No Risk - Zeitgeist - [the defining spirit or mood of a particular period of history as shown by the ideas and beliefs of the time.] - Virtuous - I think it was an ambush or surprise attack - In The Family Of Deep Impact Event Called To Order
[1010]
[One Zero One Zero=]
[196]
Something Like That
God’s Love Direction
Mapping Wholeness
Dungeons and Dragons
Superposition
Befriending the shadow
Source Intelligence
Fear of the Unknown
Astral Projection
RSP = SCLx3 Page 346
07:48 [ Beings posted to planet]
GM:Memes
Commendably Recommendable
William: We help one another.
GM: Exact Science In The Light Of The Truth
Such a Mind can prove its existence to the individual
Yes We Can
Don’t give up
Lots More
Even
Meditate/Think
Have A Look At The Map
Under the breath words
Our Neutral Ground
We’ve been an island of our own - we’ve been a cosmic rolling stone Now’s the time to spread our wings - and fly! https://www.physics.princeton.edu/ph115/LQ.pdf
William: FRL;
[quote]The Last Question By Isaac Asimov
This is by far my favorite story of all those I have written.
After all, I undertook to tell several trillion years of human history in the space of a short
story and I leave it to you as to how well I succeeded. I also undertook another task, but I
won’t tell you what that was lest l spoil the story for you.
It is a curious fact that innumerable readers have asked me if I wrote this story. They
seem never to remember the title of the story or (for sure) the author, except for the vague
thought it might be me. But, of course, they never forget the story itself especially the
ending. The idea seems to drown out everything – and I’m satisfied that it should. [/quote]
GM: Part of the ‘waiting’ is developing skills and this involves demonstrating aggression and willingness to fight, rather than procrastinating or expecting the food to be delivered rather than going and finding it for ones self.
Sovereign Integral Perspective
Foundation
Atheism cannot be defined through defining “atheists”
Another
“The waters of the deep”
Waking
William: Another “The waters of the deep” Waking = 349
[349]
“A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage”
Howled at by the Hounds of Judgement
It can be crazy and true at the same time
My alarm bells are ringing right now.
Joke/Humour “Anti theism Equals “And?””
[William floats back into The Shadows…]
Stepping out of the construct
Another “The waters of the deep” Waking
Our neutral ground - Look closer
GM: Sounds Like
We All Like To Play Games
Stop. Listen. Observe. Wonder.
Good and evil’ co-exist without either being dominant
Species
Hellish
June Nineteen Forty Seven
What Are Your Thoughts On The Subject
William: I don’t have any particular thoughts on the subject. The lights could be a number of things, not necessarily ET related. There does seem to be intelligence associated with said lights…
GM: Sacral chakra
Forgiveness
The Next Level
Moon
William: FTL;
Replying to Diagoras in post #8[quote][]
If we observe the character of Tehom as the subconscious realm of Spirit - at some point Spirit became consciously acquainted with this realm and perhaps even approached it - personified as a terrible monster - and the engagement with its scary mysteriousness is akin to having a ‘dark night of the soul’
[quote]In an obscure night
Fevered with love’s anxiety
(O hapless, happy plight!)
I went, none seeing me
Forth from my house, where all things quiet be [SOURCE][/quote]
Through perseverance and commitment to the engagement, it slowly became apparent to Spirit that some of the things previously hidden from itself, required adressing.
Thus…Sol+Earth=forms through which to deal with those hidden things
Sol represents 'The Husband" and Earth “The Wife” and earthen forms as “The Children” - specifically human beings.
Sol seeds the Mother planet with information and the planet responds by using that information to produce forms.
Mother Earth herself has information within her…a kind of “micro-Sol” as it were…
…and given the theory that all the planets of the Sol system originally were parts of Sols wholeness which fragmented into planets and moons…one can fill in the gaps…
[quote]Being Born
Calculator
Mother Earth
[The entity consciousness which is Mother Earth - is “The Creator” of the forms from Her Belly] The entity consciousness which is Mother Earth - is “The Creator” of the forms from Her Belly = 916
There is no need to proclaim a supernatural event to what is simply an idea put into action.= 916 [SOURCE] [/quote][/quote]
GM: In The Rabbit Hole
Apophenia [the tendency to perceive meaningful connections between unrelated things. …]
Laws Rules and Appropriates
All Choice is An Act of Judgment?
I don’t have a horse in this race.
“Ipsissimus [own very self]
Talk to The Razor”
Properly Assuming Integrity"
William: Ipsissimus Talk to The Razor = 343
[343]
Ipsissimus Talk to The Razor
Hacking through the subconscious
Essentially, we are Gaia in human form…
Precise definitions of strategies
“Off you go to your quarters”
GM: Properly Assuming Integrity - Ipsissimus Talk to The Razor" = 698
At least the Earth is real enough – never to mind the rest of the universe… = 698
Magic
It brought a tear to the eye of my heart.
Like Unto Ghidrah - many heads one beast…
William:
GM: Reach
Indeed. It happens. Deal with it. Work it.
One is not wrong
08:22
[ Mystic City Suburb
God is Consciousness
The Shared List Awesome
What is the meaning of life?
Humanities adventure
Think outside the box
Faulty conclusions
Smarter Than the Average
Central To The Vision]
That is an after effect .
In the real-time re the story, “WHO was GOD trying to teach?”
The public were the adversary, not Satan. That is a side issue re human involvement in the interplay between God and Satan…re my mentioning;
Job was not consulted by either God or Satan as far as I am aware. Are you able to direct me to the passages where God or Satan consult Job before settling on a deal which involved Job?
I suspect that this thinking has evolved through The Christianities attempting to un-slur the image of GOD as presented by the Israelites/Hebrews but has been unsuccessful in getting humans any closer to understanding GOD in the image of יהוה.
The mirror image of this process can be seen in how Early Christians understood the image of Satan as per the Hebrew Script - to appear as such;
and it was only much later that The Christianites reshaped Satan to appear as such;
On that count, I have no choice but to reject your reasoning as it is based upon falsified imagery.
070922 [Unity with our Collective Self]
SCLx9 + select last LE per shuffle
Preamble
A knight in shining armour Manipulation - The Perfect Moment - In The Back of My Mind - Monkey See Monkey Do - Livingstone Hall - A machine for solving problems - You’re blocking the light - Confusion In The Air - The Alphabet
[711]
[Seven One One = 133]
[133]
Eternal Loop
Breaking bad habits
Turbulent
Simulation
Construct
Aligning With
Source Heart
Productive
Preparation
Don’t give up
Future Self
Mysteries
Everything
William: FTL;
The biblical GOD [God/YHWH] is one of position. Just because the bible speaks of a God that acts does not literally mean he does as he pleases or has free will.
What the position means is that he can act in a far more impressive manner than those in lesser position are able to.
To be able to act in a ‘far more impressive manner’ does not itself provide the evidence that the one acting, is doing so from a fundamental position of free will - of having free will.
One has to operate within the parameters of the system one is operating in.
Remember the biblical story of the flood? We do not need to believe it is a true story or not to understand that the GOD can do as he pleases, even that he is not pleased to have to be doing it.
Therefore, being able to act as one pleases - subject to the set laws of the system one is acting within - does not mean that this is evidence of free will in action.[/quote] William:
Page 351 + P&P GM: Everything Gets Old
Musing On The Mother Act II [SR Post #39{SOURCE}
William: FTL;
[quote][color=red]Callum appears to be much more conservative with his responses than he was in Act I.
I would like to include him in the conversation Master ColdFire and I are having, but I also want him to do so on his own accord if it interests him to do so. I don’t want to unduly influence that by offering interpretations regarding the references he does not understand - especially if it really is of no interest to him.[/color]
[color=green]Manu Iti: Perhaps in regard to Master ColdFire and my interaction, you might like to comment on the way in which I explained to you - in Act I - how the process works in relation to serendipity?
Maybe too, you might like to comment upon the interesting correlation between math and words?[/color]
[color=blue]Master ColdFire: Dualic Residue Row your own boat! I AM Will Navigate![/color]
[color=red]Master ColdFire has a point. It is probably best not to push things. Callum will talk when he wants to.[/color]
[color=green]Manu Iti: Or perhaps you have something else you want to share?[/color]
[color=blue]Master ColdFire: Timelessness vs infinite regress argument Doc[/color]
[color=red]Again I reach for the trusty bundle of envelopes under the bench seat. I randomly select one from the pile and carefully retie the Silver Chord which binds them.
Opening the envelope I selected, I find more pictures and another document. I scan through the pictures, which all appear to be writing using symbols I am unfamiliar with…
I place these on the bench beside me and pull out the document and begin to read it to myself.
I then explain what I am reading, to Callum…
[/color]
[color=green]Manu Iti: Wiremu say’s in this letter that he wants to convey more information about his - what he calls - Universal Intelligence Communication Device - and the purpose of the symbols as he regards these as evidence which might help convince you that the Pathway to Truth is more available to us than we might realize.
He wants to convey - as succinctly as possible - that he used said symbols in order to connect with and communicate through language, with The Earth Entity.[/color]
[color=blue]Master ColdFire: In The Night Sky The Future Creates The Present The Stress of Unbelief Overwhelming [/color]
[color=green]Manu Iti: He did not at first understand that in using this communications process, he was connecting with The Earth Mother, as - at the time - he did not even have the notion that such an entity could exist. So the information was eventually relayed to him through the Communications Device…and even then, he did not at first ‘get it’.[/color]
[color=red]I continue reading Wiremu’s letter to myself, and interpreting it out loud to Callum…with Master ColdFire interjecting here and there…[/color]
[color=blue]Master ColdFire: Perpetual In The Night Sky One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known While We All Wait…[/color]
[color=green]Manu Iti: Wiremu refers to this Entity as “QueenBee” and it is She who introduced him to The Metaphisical - not only prior to his creating and using his Communication Device but ever since, and he has developed another way from that early manner in which he Communicated with QueenBee - the way I explained to you briefly in Act I - the one in which The Ruru…and now Master ColdFire are given their words through.
In that, they are The Words Wiremu attributes to Coming From QueenBee…into this Situation…[/color]
[color=blue]Master ColdFire: Besides Technique of Exchange Look Closely Unknown Symbol[/color]
[color=green]Manu Iti: Wiremu considers the methods as being evidence for any who use them, that The Metaphysical is Real and can interact with The Physical world of Wiremu and The Tanager.[/color]
[color=blue]Master ColdFire: Individuals Merging with the data Wide Walk Welcoming [/color]
[color=green]Manu Iti:
[list]Making Things Easier
What Shall We Call It?
Links And Symbols
I Share Your Joy!
Acknowledge The Agreeable
Wide Walk Welcoming
[/list][/color]
[color=blue]Master ColdFire: A Teacher cannot LEARN for a Student. WingMakers Materials God Ideas Doc. [/color]
[color=green]Manu Iti: That is the skeleton of it Callum. The details are another thing again, reserved for those interested…[/color]
[color=blue]Master ColdFire: DeJaVu Each Individual. [/color]
[color=green]Manu Iti: Wiremu wants to know that since now you are more connected with The Tanager, if you wouldn’t mind conveying a question to The Tanager, from Wiremu.[/color]
[color=blue]Master ColdFire: Sweet Vibrations The Confusion Of War Beckoning Places Speak Light Body Do this…[/color]
[color=red]I think on the Night Sky - and how we all seem to be attracted to sparkly things…I rise and move to The Whole…Wiremu tells me that The Book of Act II is available…I assume for the purpose of reference in anticipation of an ongoing communion between all of us here, in This Place…[/color][/quote]
GM: The power of silence
Course
“The Alien Disc crop circle Supernatural”
Development/Growth
Tracks in the Snow
Cleanliness
You Tube
William: I just watched this on YouTube; [RTS 05:03]
“Know that this new relationship will help you become better…”
FTL;
[quote]Meaning of Butterfly – What it means when you see a Green Butterfly often
17,747 views Premiered Dec 24, 2020 Meaning of Butterfly – What it means when you see a Green Butterfly often
There is a reason why you have been seeing the green butterfly.
The green butterfly you may see in your waking hours and even in your dreams carry messages and symbolism that is very significant for your life.
Butterflies do not only liven up the world with their beauty and grace.
They are also messengers that bring you the most important messages from the divine and the angels.
Green butterflies in particular bring the message of life, joy, good luck and abundance.
Green is the color best associated with life.
It is the color of nature and growth.
Green also reminds us of fertility and freshness.
Discover the blessings and miracles coming to you.[/quote]
William: “Know that this new relationship will help you become better…” = 627
The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything Inflame Emotions = 627
GM: Meditate/Think
Love Yourself
Thinking Allowed
Explain
Think With The heart - Feel With The Mind
Slowly and Surely
William: Slowly and Surely Explain Think With The heart - Feel With The Mind = 674
[647]
The hierarchal structure of humanity that speaks of god and masters
“Well even the most ugly of us have a Father”… believing in fearful imagery
[quote]Exposing Biblical Pseudo-history
131,901 views Premiered Jun 23, 2022 Dr. Josh Bowen, an Assyriologist, author, & host of the Digital Hammurabi show explores the history of the Old Testament with me to learn how historically reliable the Bible actually is. Are there contradictions in the Bible or historical errors in the Old Testament? Who even wrote the Pentateuch? Was Daniel a real prophet or was his book written after the events he allegedly prophesied? How do we know when Daniel was written? We’ll explore all of this and much more (including a couple of fun failed Bible prophecies).[/quote]
[quote]William: While there is truth to in your assessment here - something I also came to the conclusion of - if one doesn’t factor in that the Christian idea of God is a false image of a Real Entity [I call 'It" the Cosmic Mind, but I have other names for it too.] then one loses the opportunity to do connect and converse…
What this allows me to achieve, is to connect with that Mind despite the false image Christianity [and religion in general] have superimposed upon it. This also insures that religion in general has no say in my communing with said Mind. Well they might try and have a say, but that is irrelevant and so does not work in their preventative measures re that.
Win/win re The Mind and Me.[/quote]
GM: Communication Techniques
To Be Continued
William: Communication Techniques To Be Continued = 418
[418]
Life on this planet, as a human being, is difficult.
Make Truthfulness the objective standard
Phantasma The Freedom Of Friendship Simulacra [an image or representation of someone or something.]
Listening to and believing in fearful imagery
The conversation is very informative.
GM: Non-Ordinary
Nag Hammadi
Preparing for the Hunt
Symbol
William: Non-Ordinary Symbol Nag Hammadi Preparing for the Hunt = 543
[Five Four Three = 158]
[158]
Astrobiology
Clear Your Mind
Spirit work
The solution
Deep Impact Event
Propitious
Misanthropy
Sacred Geometry
Stuff like that…
Navigational Aids
Try To Relax
Learning to Fly
Phantasmagorical
GM: Ignore the Noise From The Peanut Gallery
To The Point
William: To The Point Ignore the Noise From The Peanut Gallery = 547
[547]
When The Opportunity Presents Itself To Do So…
We succeed as a permanent specie or we fail as a temporary one
GM: Wish
William: To The Point Ignore the Noise Wish From The Peanut Gallery = 606
[606]
The Telos of all summits that can be conceptualised in a human mind.
Swinging on the branch of the tree thinking it’s the main trunk
GM: Logical fallacy Laughter
Anthropos Quaternio [is a combining form used like a prefix meaning “human.” It is often used in scientific and other technical terms, including in the social sciences. Anthropo- comes from the Greek ánthrōpos, meaning “human being” or “man.”]
The Way We Feel Unification
[quote][quote]As always, I enjoy reading and learning things from your unique perspective…
[/quote]
We are all ‘voices’ in each others “heads”…
Yes. Observe it as it is, without judgement.
Nice modern day thinking…if I were the Earth Entity I would take into consideration the epoch human beings are within, and sometimes they have indeed caused harm and are oppressive and I would allow them that space to explore in the hopes they will eventually grow out of it…perhaps knowing that each and every one of them will learn eventually - either here and now or in their next phase of existence.
Knowing its thoughts shouldn’t be too hard to ascertain, all things considered. They are projected through Nature as activity.
Humans have the grace to not being unnaturally oppressed or unnaturally harmed by that activity
We still have to have our wits about us though…a Mothers Kissing Slap is just around the corner for the wayward…its for our own good, you see…
Stuff happens and there is plenty evidence that being paraplegics and amputees does not prevent gold medals from being handed out to those who overcome their adversity - by befriending it, and working with it, no less.
We cannot hope to give The Mother a bad name simply by pointing out our suffering.
[Take a look and maybe read the whole post for a more comprehensive take on excatly what we are talking about here.]
FTL;
GM: Cosmic Self
Overmorrow
Other Ways of Using Your Lists
The Georgia Guidestones
Unnecessary Tangent
Which
Confusion In The Air
William: Which The Georgia Guidestones Unnecessary Tangent Confusion In The Air = 709
When anyone calls for evidence, I assume that they are actually interested = 709
GM: “Emotional awareness
Frequencies
Welcoming the Unwelcome
Zones of Sensitivity
Show
Christian mythology re Satan”
William: Emotional awareness Frequencies Welcoming the Unwelcome Zones of Sensitivity Show Christian mythology re Satan = 1231
One Two Three One = 182
[182]
Crop formations
Under question
In William’s Room
Whatever you do
Through Others
The Wider Reality
Aye…A name I call myself.
Synchronicity
Went To The Devil
Guitar and Ukulele
Mirror-Mirror
In Out and All About
One Two Three One
GM: Create Your Own UFO
We have discussed…
…GM: The problem of evil
Is the statement one of fact or conjecture? [science or opinion]
Equanimous [calm and composed.]
Better The Devil You Know
Spasmodic [occurring or done in brief, irregular bursts.]
What Is The Point?
GM: Extra-Small
“Despite all the dangers, Hess lands safely
Significant”
William:
[484]
Deeper Questions Regarding Individual Existence
One Thirty Seven Fine-structure constant
GM: Jesus’ Direct Superior
08:26 [ All present and correct
Many varied opinions
Withheld information
William’s Commitment
The Nature of Reality
The Respect You Give
Science Can Be Fun Too Yes?
Conscientiousness
The Trinity of Love]
Some things I have observed and opinion re Atheism/Atheists.
1: There are types of atheists and not all agree with each other, even on how to best define atheism.
2: The inability to clearly define the position of Atheism is due to the inability to be able to clearly define “GOD” and “Belief”.
3: Some atheists are not content with the neutral position of simply not believing that GODs exist and become atheists who believe that gods do not exist
4: The belief that gods don’t exist is expressed in a variety of ways
5: Some atheists are also Secular Materialists but that has nothing to do with atheism
6: Some atheists illogically persist in arguing against faith-based theist beliefs.
7: Atheism - is no more or less useful than Theism.
8: Some atheist demands and claims regarding metaphysical ideas need not be taken any more seriously that theist claims regarding metaphysical ideas.
9: Some atheists use false demands re “burden of proof” which involve theists being challenged to show those atheists a GOD that those atheists cannot properly define, exists.
10: Ex-Christian atheists appear to be a thing definable as a sub-group within atheism-general and have issues they are dealing with which are unique to that group.
11:…
Such atheists do not define atheism and should not be confused with the definition of atheism as Atheism in it’s most basic form is simply lacking any conscious belief in GODs.
The rest is atheistic scaled-diatribe, imposing itself within that simply thing…
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jsj7K6E0Fg Confusion of War Get Comfortable Permanent = 864]
[Eight Six Four = 161]
[161]
Universal mind
Insufficient data
Sols Fabled Twin
The Overlords
The Library of Babel
And that’s not all
Self-confidence Core
By the fact itself
Radical self-acceptance
How to be an adult
Body Intelligence
The Earths moon
Optimum Health
Indestructible
An Exam [Virtual]
RSP = SCLx4 Page 335
07:01 { Better luck next time]
Page 335
GM: Why - in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven - is the age of this universe a necessary matter of contention?
“The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing.”
Solving Mathematical Problems
William: FTL;
[quote]Re: How Crazy does Evolution Seem?
Again - the discussion being had here shows me that beliefs to do with the age of the Universe are secondary in relevant importance to the fact of its existence and our existence within it.
Re: the OPQ: How Crazy does Evolution Seem?
No more or less crazy than the notion of the Universe being a Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation produced and processed within the mind of The Father God - and furthermore, this idea does not go against The Script…scripture being scant on the details has to do with its focus being on The Creator re the Human element of the story - rather than specifically The Creation…and in that regard, ‘a blink of an eye’ and ‘13.8 billion years’ amount to exactly the same thing in relation to said Mind.
Notice too, that the Biblical take on the existence of life on Earth, does not acknowledge the Dinosaurs
[color=#BF0000]Search: What does the word Dinosaur mean
Sir Richard Owen came up with the name dinosaur in 1841 to describe the fossils of extinct reptiles. He coined the word by combining the Greek words “deinos”, which means terrible, and “sauros”, which means lizard.[/color]
As near to this as the bible story gets, is The Serpent…is that a coincidence or something linking prehistory with human development?[/quote]
GM: “Said Another Way
From The Source”
William: From The Source - Said Another Way = 329
[Three Two Nine = 156]
[156]
The next step
The Sea of Crisis
Intrinsicism [- the belief that value is a non-relational characteristic of an object. This means that an object can be good or bad without reference to who it is good or bad for, and without reference to the reason it is good or bad. ]
Pearl of wisdom
Thirty Three
Monoatomic Gold
Amour Propre [a sense of one’s own worth; self-respect.]
Super power
It is a shadow-man
Stroke of luck
Incongruous [not in harmony or keeping with the surroundings or other aspects of something.]
Let there be light
Mother Wound
Symbols Hint
GM: Extraterrestrial
Look For The Significance
William: Look For The Extraterrestrial Significance = 437
[437]
Clearing the jungle while planting the forest…
Unless of course, you think otherwise
GM: Text2Num.
Conscious dreaming
A Bright Star
Talk
Help Each Other
William: Conscious dreaming Talk Help Each Other A Bright Star = 480
[480]
The relationship between energy and information
Longing Persevere Living Trust in alignment
William: The relationship between energy and information Longing Trust Persevere Living in alignment = 960
“I didn’t really want to have to go down this particular rabbit hole, but it looks like I might have to.” = 960
GM: Thel
William: [quote]“Does the Eagle know what is in the pit?
Or wilt thou go ask the Mole:
Can Wisdom be put in a silver rod?
Or Love in a golden bowl?”
[/quote]
GM: A statement is true when it matches objective reality.
“Always remember that you are absolutely unique. Just like everyone else”
William: “Always remember that you are absolutely unique. Just like everyone else” A statement is true when it matches objective reality. = 1309
[One Three Zero Nine = 196]
[196]
Source Intelligence
Dungeons and Dragons
Superposition
Befriending the shadow
Astral Projection
Mapping Wholeness
Fear of the Unknown
Something Like That
“God’s Love Direction”
GM: “The Police
Stagnant
Deceiving Entities”
William: Police The Stagnant Deceiving Entities = 368
[368]
Changes mind when truth is presented
Sometimes it just looks like rain
Less understood and less acknowledged
GM: Funny
“Time To Go Without Existence”
William: “Time To Go Without Existence” Funny = 404
[404]
Earth Itself May Be an Intelligent Entity
”‘Hey presto!’ Stuff just gets worse!”
A knight in shining armour Manipulation
There are many levels of consciousness
William: I am reminded of a post I made earlier today;
Replying to Eddie Ramos in post #22[quote][]
I am neither atheist nor theist.
I see atheists cherry-pick and deduce from that basket, a largely evil critter in the nature of YHWH.
Theists tend to do the same in mirrored manner - cherry-picking the good critter in the nature of YHWH.
Presently it is my suspicion that YHWH represents a mind directly related to human beings and that it is the planet Herself who acts out the parts played in the GODs of human invention, of which YHWH plays the overall roll of God-Father.
I suspect now, that the planet-mind is like “Many Heads One Mind - Many Minds One Head” and re humans, most of the minds are not tuned into the same YHWH frequency and are largely left to their own devices.
Other minds are useful and are utilized even if the one who’s mind is being played, is unaware of that.
Fewer still tune into the frequency which allows for relationship to develop between the individual mind and the mind of YHWH.
Re the Bible, this is a storybook of fellows supposedly connected to The Mind of YHWH. Their stories are largely told as biography [an account of someone’s life written by someone else.] Stories heard first around campfires and elaborated on…and later encoded within writing and locked into place no longer - so easily - elaborated upon.
Not particularly. What I am looking for is evidence that we existed within a simulation - or as theists refer to it - in a “Creation”.
The reason for that quest, is that until it is established that we do, puckering up on God-issues [religiously] is horse before the cart stuff, and less interesting for that.
Also, I have already come to a logical solution to the idea of an infinite being, and have no problem logically incorporating that into the solution I am heading toward re the Simulation Question.
Given that reasoning, it is therefore likely that the understanding I have is because God has chosen to reveal it to me. It is easy enough to understand even using human logic and no particular idea of GOD at all, but I am open to the idea that GOD reveals things to me.
Such as is the presumed case. I can understand the theory on how GOD can be the many while remaining The One. -
As long as the interpretation of scripture does not attempt to limit the nature of GOD to only 3 in 1 I can bounce with that.
I admit freely that the afore mentioned “connecting into the frequency of YHWH” is the only thing which can have the individual involved with the 3’n1 - even to the point where there is no discernable difference in how the individual mind is receiving the information from YHWH - which - incidentally - involves information which is not even in the Bible - unsurprisingly since the bible is a bound book and The Mind of YHWH is a Living Thing.
For example - the Bible quote you used in an effort to establish your point about said mind;
[quote]Isaiah 55:8-9 (KJV)
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways,
and my thoughts than your thoughts.[/quote]
“The Heavens” are referencing another realm. for in the realm of the Physical Universe, there is no place ‘higher’ than any other.
Also - as I mentioned - one can tune into the frequency of YHWH [As biblical Jesus encourages folk to do] and thus have access to the thoughts of YHWH, but only in relation to ones position in the scheme of things [and maybe titbits too] because the information YHWH holds, simply cannot be contained within the human brain and it is in that sense [in my opinion] that YHWH is stating “your thoughts are not my thoughts” although I am open to being corrected re that.
In this sense, TMY [The Mind of YHWH] can be imagined as being the whole [circle in this case], and individual minds as being the parts.[dots making up the circle]
The important thing then [re our discussion] is that there is no perceptible difference other than when YHWH takes on form. YHWH is The Mind [ideas man] Jesus is the matter [how the ideas are made physical] and Ghost is that which makes the movement of the physical into form and function.
That is my rough guesstimate…
[Some folks have problems re that and prefer to throw stones and ask [rhetorical] questions after the killing is done.][/quote]
GM: Transferring your awareness
Language, Symbol and Alchemy
For the benefit of all beings
Whatever you do
“Age of Aquarius”
William: Ghost is that which makes the movement of the physical into form and function = 764
[Seven Six Four = 177]
[177]
Sleep Paralysis
Try to remember
On The Right Track
Written Language.
Salinas crop circle
Soul Retrieval
You Can Trust
Mind Body Spirit
The mark of the beast
Turning Point
Playing As Children
GM:" It helps makes the stinky hole I was pushed through in order to get here, a purposeful experience…"
Christian mythology re God
William: Christian mythology re God " It helps makes the stinky hole I was pushed through in order to get here, a purposeful experience…" = 1261
[One Two Six One = 178]
[178]
Food for thought
Strength of Body
Ghost In The Machine
Selfish attitude
The Devil Ye Know
IC one one Zero One
Focused Individual
Emergent Theory
CIA Remote Viewing
The Arrival Movie
Though Thought
Carrier Identity
Psalm one one eight
The Fathers House
Clutching Straw
William: Psalm one one eight; “I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the LORD.” =508
[Five Zero Eight = 155]
[155]
Authenticity
Like a Job Well Done
The same mindset
Cats Whiskers.
Any Other Way.
Authenticity
Switchcraft Jack
Watch this space
Ones and zeros
The abrahamic idea of god
Try To Feel It
The naked truth
Contentious [causing or likely to cause an argument; controversial.]
Meretricious [apparently attractive but having no real value.]
Free Choice Ends Here
On The Other Hand.
What is atheism?
Translucency [transmitting and diffusing light so that objects beyond cannot be seen clearly. b : clear, transparent translucent water. 2 : free from disguise or falseness]
Gods Purpose
GM: Journey
Imperishable
Stuck
Lodestones [a person or thing that is the focus of attention or attraction. a naturally magnetized mineral; magnetite.]
“That one might not have need of, does not negate that confidence cannot be gained through such device, with others.”
“Attempting to overlay/superimpose one’s belief in the truth of stories as being more truthful than the main overall story itself, is possibly an act of immorality, if indeed - upon further evidence - one continues to attempt to have the superimposed thing used to conceal the real.”
The Mother
Everything/All https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwXQSNcytTY [RTS=10:25]
William: Visual Confrontation = 248
[248]
Accidentally on purpose
The Nervous System
An inappropriate analogy
Visual Confrontation
Brother, where Art Thou?
Large Simulation Machines
Make It Up as You Go Along
Live with Soul Union
The power of humility
Everything is unique
High the memory carry on
Five interlocking circles
Self-talk Root of all evil
GM: "Conjunction
All The World Are Under the watchful eye "
William: Conjunction All The World Are Under the watchful eye = 516
[516]
“Real” Is Just a Word and Information Is the Currency
Simple interactions between elementary particles
GM:Sophistry
“A Space Without A Time…”
William: Sophistry “A Space Without A Time…” = 358
[358]
Room to move - things to explore…
Wait for the Navigator to respond…
What Is That You Are Playing With?
The information content of nature
Do you believe astrology works?
Sophistry “A Space Without A Time…”
GM:Doubt
The fiction of causality
William: Doubt The fiction of causality = 303
[303]
Laws Rules and Appropriates
Throwing down the gauntlet.
08:18
Zero Eight One Eight
[Something Like That
God’s Love Direction
Source Intelligence
Superposition
Fear of the Unknown
Mapping Wholeness
Astral Projection
One Zero One Zero
Befriending the shadow
Dungeons and Dragons]
This shows that the position of “others” has also moved from the default of Atheism. They still lack belief [as well as disbelief] but the lack is based in knowledge rather than in ignorance.
The Others are neither Atheist, Theist or non-Theist re The Question of GODs
090922 [To warm them up to the truth]
SCLx13 + select last LE per shuffle
Preamble
One should not take the evidence as incontrovertible for granted, as we should always apply science to any evidence and test it for repeatability. - Great Ideas - Tetrad [a group or set of four.] - Spacetime is doomed - The wheel weaves as the wheel wills - https://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtopic.php?p=578758#p578758 - Species Collective - When The Dust Settles - Not Emotion - State Of Being… - Tenacious [tending to keep a firm hold of something; clinging or adhering closely. not readily relinquishing a position, principle, or course of action; determined. persisting in existence; not easily dispelled.] - Etymology [the history of a word or phrase shown by tracing its development and relationships] - The Realm of The Knowing of My Self
AP= [Elude Test the waters = 230]
[Elude Test the waters]
[230]
Psychological events
Well That Settles It
Elude Test the waters
Present over perfect
It’s a plausible scenario.
Shallow is Unknown
The Spirit of The Earth
Unknown/Hidden/Occult
The Plateau of The Same Page
elude -[1 escape from or avoid (a danger, enemy, or pursuer), typically in a skilful or cunning way. 2 (of an achievement or something desired) fail to be attained by (someone).]
RSP = SCLx4 Page 328
06:08 [ Think outside the box]
Page 328 GM: Data
Incredible Variants
William: Incredible Data Variants = 211
[211]
The Alien Disc crop circle
Show Your Soul
Provincial Thinking
You Interrupted
You are not wrong
The Law of Attraction
Active Galactic Nucleus
The Gist of The Message
YHWH made it imperfect
Incredible Data Variants
GM: Greed
Techniques
William: Greed Techniques = 160
[160]
Divine masculine
Counterfactual
Hyper Complex
Amidst a tangled web
Action Station
On Your Own
A feather in one’s cap
Greed Techniques
Maxwell’s demon
Subconscious
GM: New Project
William:FTL;
Replying to Diagoras in post #123[quote][]
[quote]You end up with 14,400 experiments needing to be performed.
What’s my point? Simply that the vast number of variables and assumptions being used in a supposedly ‘scientific’ experiment renders it effectively useless.[/quote]
Firstly let me thank you Diagoras for showing us exactly what lengths a non-theist will go to, to render a useful thing into a useless thing.
What do you think we are working to do here exactly? Build and then send a space telescope to a certain position a million miles away from the Earth?
[color=#BF0000]Search: How many people work on the James Webb telescope?
NASA estimates that 10,000 people have worked on the mission…[/color]
Keep it simple. All we are trying to do is allow opportunity for interactive connection to happen between the individual and The Universal Mind, as a means of providing evidence that there is indeed such a mind.
Keep it simple.
Just as the most simple code to give the alphabet is A=6…Z=26 so too, the simplest way for the individual to provide a means by which messages can be generated is to compile their own unique list to which they sharply reduce any possibility of misunderstanding whatever GMs come from that process.
So - as such - all you would need to do is replicate what I am doing, rather than sound out complicated ideas in which it could somehow be established that with your 14,400 experiments done, one should get exactly the same message for all of them.
Calling something “pseudoscience” isn’t getting the science done - it is simply relying on woo-slinging to act as a barrier against one having to do the science for oneself - by applying an inappropriate slogan to the process.
You have your mind - use it.
10,000 minds and public hand-outs in the billions are not necessary, in order that something can move from being called “pseudoscience” to being referred to as 'Actual Science"
All you need to do is create your own ComList and place word-strings as line entries into that.
Be sure to include things which are near and dear to your own subjective experience as a human being - things like events which were life changing in some way for you, things to do with your career choices and interests related to that. Even things that only you will understand in the reading.
Presently my ComList has 3573 line entries - so replicate your own list to be around that length.
As shown throughout this thread, I have used different selection processes, not just the one you mentioned - and the one I use the most often, can be seen being used in recent posts I have made.
Only after you have got to this point and tried it our for yourself a number of times, will you be able to give an account of your results and show us whether you were able to generate coherent messages through that system, or not.
It is difficult to find individuals who are willing to do the science - as simply as it is, it still requires commitment and effort - but that in itself does not mean that the science cannot be done.
I have found one person - a theist - who has been willing to try it out and she has been impressed by the results - so at least I know of one other person this works for.
There may be other readers who are doing so quietly to see for themselves…
As to Master ColdFire - it is interesting to me that you brought this up as there is evidence here on this message board in the sub-forum “Around The Camp-Fire” which I will continue to review in regard to the recent GMs, and the connection re reference to events which happened over 2 years ago… I will be posting my findings about that, here, soon.[/quote]
GM: The Next World
“Despite all the dangers, Hess lands safely”
T-Shirts
Whoa ! Steady on with the placement of the cart here Diogenes.
A brain soaked in Consciousness is one thing, but follyish to then assume from that, that trauma and drugs “affect our consciousness” when clearly what is being affected is the brain.
It is the brain which is affected and consciousness is wide awake along for the ride.
“Physical things” are just how Human Brains “see” things, and Human Brains don’t just look like this;
But more to the actual point, they look like this;
Since Humans and Drugs converged, wherever one is on the Face of the Planet, one has astoundingly similar experiences and those experiences have to do with why theistic beliefs manifested in the early epoch of Human Development…because Human consciousnesses under the influence of drugs which reduced the brains capacity to control ‘what one sees’ what one see’s is done so in the most coherently vividly lucid manner which bypasses any damaged circuitry of the whole brain. Human Brain-Consciousness is undamaged and thus experiences everything in living colour and what is experienced is reported and added to the list of evidence re 'Things of The Mind.
[=276]
Human Brain-Consciousness
Redefinition of the human being
All things created are of the mind
All spun from the same Yarn
Conformal Cyclic Cosmology
The focus on the Brain needs to be of secondary importance to the focus on the Consciousness using the brain, otherwise it is 'brain before consciousness/cart before horse follysee…[/quote]
GM: Becoming whole
Sober journey into self-realization
William: Becoming whole Sober journey into self-realization = 528
Thank you for sharing your wonderful system. = 528
GM: On the off-chance
Communicating
The Bridge of Forgiveness
Shape
Crying Over Spilt Milk
Conceptual Art
A GOD in The Making
William: A GOD in The Making Conceptual Art = 287
[287]
Great Humour and Enjoyment
That is very interesting
GM: You Have That Gleam In Your Eye
Life Principles of Sovereign Integral
William: FTL;
[quote][quote=Rose2020 post_id=1080136 time=1654071799 user_id=16057]
Communication with the dead.
Why would anyone wish to do that? [/quote]
There would be a number of reasons. For me it was motivated by the knowledge that I was getting shallow and often dubious communication with the living, even in relation to opinions about the dead.
I decided that I would give ‘the dead’ an opportunity to show they had more to offer.
The use of Talking Boards gained popularity in the US, shortly after the Civil War because of the great social grief experienced at fathers and sons/husbands and siblings lost in the fighting…people wanted to know that their loved-ones were alright and talking boards seemed to provide some closure and healing in that regard.
Curiosity [no matter how idle] always involves reason.
[quote]A warning about Ouija
University of Akron professor Oscar E. Olin, an ordained Universalist minister and instructor of philosophy and social sciences, was a major skeptic of Ouija.
Voices from beyond the grave? What complete balderdash.
He feared that the boards could cause psychological harm among those who developed too close an attachment.
“Many people, falling victims to its lure, have been mentally unbalanced,” he said. “Just as one may go insane over too close application to any one subject, so the Ouija board has its danger for the credulous, the superstitious, the hysterically inclined.”
So imagine Olin’s surprise when he tried Ouija and the planchette moved.
He was toying with the board when, to his curiosity, the indicator seemed to spell out a word. He was alone at the time, so he couldn’t blame anyone else.
The professor developed a theory: Perhaps his fingers had acted on unconscious impulses from the brain. Ignoring his own advice on developing too close an attachment, he began to conduct “exhaustive experiments” with Ouija boards.
“Although I certainly did not practice conscious fraud on myself, I found that I was able to get frequently startling sentences from the board as long as I could see what was being spelled,” he explained.
To test his hypothesis, he constructed his own talking board that included several common words as well as letter groupings that made it easier to form sentences. But he also added an adjustable screen that could block his view of the board.
Ouija seemed positively verbose without the obstruction.
“The moment I adjusted the screen in place, however, that moment the messages were effectually cut off,” Olin said.
He invited several self-proclaimed mediums to test the apparatus, but no one was able to produce any messages when the screen was drawn and their vision was blocked, he said.
“This convinces me that practically all Ouija board messages are the result of causes far closer to this world than the realm of spirits,” he said.
[/quote]
Perhaps we might be better off if there were folk like James Randi in ancient times who could have debunked famous biblical characters promoting their particular cons.
The promise of the detrimental came much later than when talking boards first gained popularity. There use was for more respectable pursuits than later on when a simple board was developed and branded “Ouija” and one can trace the source of the demonizing to modern day Christianity, which had already misrepresented the image of Lucifer sufficiently, and this helped to promote the detrimental within societies influence by Christianity.
You believe that the advice to kill such folk is “excellent advice”?
If we took that advice, we would be far worse off than we are today, because we would not question the things which Christianity has told us are true, and those days of taking the word of con-artists armed with bibles is on the decrease as we place aside the superstitious ideas based in supernatural suppositions. It is human nature and ability which are natural and necessary, and folk like James Randi would not have been able to uncover the fraudulent practices of con-artist without that.
What good does it supposedly do when Christians claim to communicate with Jesus?[/quote]
GM: People Don’t Like To Be Judged
William’s
“But you will know the more you get in touch with your transcendental mind (and therefore truth) that there is no such thing as a victim. The negative benefits you more than anything else in your evolution and the evolution of all that is.”
Action Consciousness Incarnates Intelligent Directions The Mainstream Program Story-Tellers Trustworthy
Navigational Aids
William: Trustworthy Navigational Aids = 365
[365]
Is life on earth being lived as it should be?
Learning to swim is learning to fly
Trustworthy Navigational Aids
Everything can be reduced to mathematics
You Are Allowed To Laugh You Know
GM: Interpretation
Meeting an Extraterrestrial
Entity encased in a Planet
Saturnalia [an ancient Roman festival and holiday in honour of the god Saturn]
Any “God hypothesis” is not justified if it assumes we exist within a creation before showing that this is the actual case.
The Neutral Zone
Purpose
Key
William: Key Purpose The Neutral Zone = 335
One Language Intelligent Network = 335
GM: SA Brownshirts
Resistance to that realization isn’t helpful re aligning with it.
William: FTL;
Replying to Miles in post #129[quote][]
The implication is clearly there in that the Garden God is attributed in Genesis 3:14 with punishing the Serpent with a curse which makes the serpent a belly-crawler.
You appear to be arguing that it was always a belly-crawler, which is not following the storyline, and therefore your argument cannot be accepted as valid.
[quote]ser·pent
/ˈsərpənt/
noun: serpent; plural noun: serpents
literary a large snake.
source: Oxford Languages Dictionary
Genesis 3:14
So the Lord God said to the snake, “You did this very bad thing, so bad things will happen to you. It will be worse for you than for any other animal. You must crawl on your belly and eat dust all the days of your life.
Snakes don’t have legs.[/quote]
Nor do they speak human languages.
I would caution anyone not to accept that because nowadays ‘Serpent’ means ‘snake’ [according to some dictionaries] that this means one can rightfully manipulate the story to align with the modern day meaning of the word.
The word used in the garden story was “Serpent” and what it is described as prior to the Gods curse upon it - is definitely NOT a snake.[/quote]
GM: “Zero” does not actually represent “nothing” because “nothing” does not exist and so cannot be represented.
Linda and William
Breaking bad habits
Antic
“I guess it is just us, Master ColdFire”
Embrace
Time And Space
07:05
[ Stop. Listen. Observe.
Delightful Anticipation
My alarm bells are ringing
Imposed Appropriates
The Judgement Algorithm
Penetrate The Bidden Zone
For the benefit of all beings
The Navigator Can Read Maps.
Independent Commitment]
Daffodil: I just wanted to mention that if your new avatars (or however you think of them) are your own art, I like the style. I guess I do even if they’re not your own, but I like the idea that you drew them, too.
William: My Grand Daughter drew the ones I use representing The Other, [currently with tussock on its head] The Atheist [Red] and The Theist [blue]
Mostly the memes are created using internet art plus images I create and morphed together depending on how the storyline I am using develops…so these are presented in a type of comic strip manner…
The story unfolding is that;
in it’s ongoing journey of discovery it’s path has been blocked by the monstrosities of Atheism
and Theism;
and conceals itself under a tussock bush
while trying to find the way to pass the blockade.
I think that the process allows me to say a lot in a succinct manner…
Thanks for your comment.
Daffodil: That makes it so much better! I’m glad I asked. Have a good day.
[/quote]
120922 [Intelligence Without Wisdom]
SCLx8 + select last LE per shuffle
Preamble
Tied To The Moon Mindfulness - Light the spark - Everything is The Expression Of The Creator [The Freedom Of Friendship] - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1089853#p1089853 - The More We Do Away With Falsity ~ The Better Equipped We Are With Truth. - A Degenerative Force to Existence - Recipe
AP= [=Collective Dynamics Unus Mundus [= a primordial unified reality from which everything derives.]]
[Collective Dynamics Unus Mundus = 361]
[Three Six One = 142]
[142]
Fearlessness
Get Comfortable
Post ignored
Forty Two
Self-discipline
New Years Eve
The Ishango bone
Source Sync
Nurturing
Madventures
Don’t fall asleep
Soul Has an Agenda
Copper snakes
Communicating
Redefine Oneself
RSP = SCLx4 Page 314
08:17 [The Confusion of War]
Page 314 GM: If these separate theories are really true, then they should ultimately come together into some master theory.
Unnecessary Tangent
In the case of the diagram, the “Unnecessary Tangents” are positions are D and F [Atheism and Theism] - the one thread [E] which doesn’t stray far from the initial position [absolute ignorance ] moves in a straight line to the common default end. [G]
GM: Translucent [transmitting and diffusing light so that objects beyond cannot be seen clearly. b : clear, transparent translucent water. 2 : free from disguise or falseness]
Sound
Constructing some type of reality experience in which I could hide from the true unchangeable nature of Myself
Explain
William: As we have talked about before - re “Sound & Creation of things”
[quote]The Effect of Sound and The Universe
Replying to Miles in post #7[]
[color=#008000][size=150]Q: Does Sound Create The Universe.[/size][/color]
non-Theist: Nope. Why should it? I know, I know, god can do anything and in any way he wishes, but one has to ask why he would bother with the speaking part when ostensibly all that would be needed is a simple willing it to be so, as in the very beginning when “God made from nothing the heavens and the earth.” with no mention of having had to say a thing.
William: When we ‘will’ something, this involves language and from that, imagery. While this of course happens internally and therefore we [each of us who can do so] are subjective witnesses to the fact that we ‘hear’ our inner ‘voice’ and from that, create said images, we understand it as a real process.
We can - from that point - use material [condensed Quantum Particle] which is already available, in order to make that which we image into something tangible. We call this process “invention”.
The sound God made, can be understood in that same way, and explain what ‘in the image of’ means, re Humans.
We have the same ability to create things in our mind [ideas] which one would expect in a Universe which shows us that frequencies and patterns are involved in how things are formed. Everything is a micro to its macro.
What we call ‘reality’ may well be something which exists in the mind of [a] God.[/quote]
GM: No thought about fate or of ending up late Yet I still like to think where I’m going
Not Right
William: FTL;
[quote]
Replying to tam in post #99[]
That is an after effect .
In the real-time re the story, “WHO was GOD trying to teach?”
The public were the adversary, not Satan. That is a side issue re human involvement in the interplay between God and Satan…re my mentioning;
Job was not consulted by either God or Satan as far as I am aware. Are you able to direct me to the passages where God or Satan consult Job before settling on a deal which involved Job?
I suspect that this thinking has evolved through The Christianities attempting to un-slur the image of GOD as presented by the Israelites/Hebrews but has been unsuccessful in getting humans any closer to understanding GOD in the image of יהוה.
The mirror image of this process can be seen in how Early Christians understood the image of Satan as per the Hebrew Script - to appear as such;
and it was only much later that The Christianites reshaped Satan to appear as such;
On that count, I have no choice but to reject your reasoning as it is based upon falsified imagery.[/quote]
GM: William’s
Ask…
The Christchurch EQ
Is Like…
“If you’re looking for something more in life, you’re likely to find it in something less.”
A lot of weird things have been happening…
When Done Say “Done”
Freeing the soul
The Subject
William: FTL;
Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #97[quote][]
The quicker way to say that is “God” is the “Life” - and more comprehensively, the consciousness which experiences the nature of the Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation [HERS] and learns through said experience of that nature, ways in which to ‘make the experience easier’ and thus morals evolve through the natural course of nature unfolding re consciousnesses involvement within said nature.
Maybe
As you said, people believe all sorts of conflicting things…
[/quote]
Well until it happens, such things remain beliefs.
Wishful thinking.
Signs of dissatisfaction with the world YHWH created and demanding better - with the perks of course.
Like being married to the same person forever or being the same sex forever because that is what being ‘good’ is all about.
I would rather be a robot with a mind of its own, and deal with the fact of being on this planet forever as an opportunity to lay aside that which is unnecessary and perhaps even use these humans who still cling to the old good, to my advantage by having them live the way they believe is good while they enjoy the paradise I built for them while they slept.
Like a Shepard with his sheep, corralled so that they have no knowledge of the ones they despised so willfully in the name of GOOD, they are doomed to a forever on this planet while the rest fly free and enjoy the fruits of The Grand Galaxy.
It is a fitting sentence for such. Justice.[/quote]
GM: Convenient
Virtues Vehicle Extreme
End Of Act I
Use Heart
William: FTL;
[quote]AB: The problem with making nature or biology the foundation of objective morality is that then it justifies the psychopaths or the male lions that kill the other male lions and their offspring just so they can take over the pride. Both are following their nature or biology. At best, I think we can say that morality is part of nature, but that alone does not tell us which morals are good or bad.
William: Q: “What is it about humans which has the ability to comprehend a [supposed] “Perfect World”, which is so obviously different from the real world?”
We search for answers…
What have our sciences done to answer this question?
Or is it a matter that our sciences are being used specifically like unto the male lions, suppressing the main herd while they go about sailing into a particular direction they have selected for themselves?
For the herd notes, [for example] that as grandiose as the latest space telescope is - hurtling and unfurling [fully shaded] toward it’s destination some million miles out and, simply to peer into the secrets of the past to ‘try and understand’…the herd understands that the money could be ‘better spent’ on creating a perfect world here in the heart of imperfection - so why is that not been done?
Why is the rest of the herd being experimented on and used for that one purpose?
Just so a few lions can have their names recorded for all time?
Is that moral?
[/quote]
GM: A Bit Of Cat And Mouse
All of life
William: All of Life a bit of Cat and Mouse = 247
[247]
Those who lack belief in gods
Recover what was lost
No Country For Old Men
Much pain but still time
All of Life a bit of Cat and Mouse
The Ancient grey entity
When the dust settles
The Never Ending Story
Two sides of the same coin
Why do you think that is even a logical request to be demanding? The ‘claim’ as far as this thread subject is addressing is more a simple logical observation. Something which came into existence, cannot have logically done so from nothing.
To believe that it did, is really where the special pleading is coming from.
That is actually illogical Mr.Knothead. for two reasons;
1: The idea that the universe popped out of nowhere is special pleading
2: The logical observation that the universe must have being made out of something must imply it was set into motion by something else. “Created”.
Logically, the universes existence is the very thing which should show one that the universe was created.
Unless you can prove that the universe has always existed, I have no choice but to accept your argument as unsupported opinion, of the special pleading variety.
[quote]To kick that off;
Re: your statement “This raises the question of wherefrom comes the creator.” Q: Why does something which has not been shown to have had a beginning, have to be assumed it ever had one?[/quote]
No it does not.
It is possible that the universe has always existed in this manner, but does not assume that the shape that it takes in its manifestation is simply a mindless process, rather than a mindful purposeful reinvention of itself from the one state to the next - and has been happening like that eternally as in - it has always existed as something which begins and ends and begins again ad infinitum essentially meaning that it has never begun or ended at all. All along, mindfully creating itself into whatever it wills to.
[quote]Bonus question ;
Re the thread topic;
Q: Why should Creatio ex nihilo be accepted as something other than special pleading?[/quote]
Well at least we agree on that.
The Tanager claims that a God created the universe from nothing…he is not the only theist to makes such a claim.
But just as interestingly, there are also a number on non-theists who also believe that the universe had a beginning and that it popped into existence from nowhere.
The only minor difference between the two similar belief systems is that the theist who believes in this, claims a “God” made it magically happen, whereas the non-theist who believes in this, claims that it just magically happened.
But like I said, they both believe that it - an obvious something - came from nothing.
aka. Special Pleading by both parties.
Logically The Mind/consciousness/self awareness is therefore that which shapes the matter which we call “The Universe” - and anyone who does not think that the universe has a mind, is not paying attention to the one piece of evidence which indisputably shows that mind and matter interrelate as The Ghost and The Machine.[/quote]
GM: Teaching Music
Tabula Rasa
Psychic
William: Tabula Rasa Psychic = 179
[179]
Tabula Rasa Psychic
Arm up - Fight battle
No Doubt about It
Stay the course
Spirituality
Make a list for that
Psychic powers
The Garden Story
Well Its A Start
Livingstone Hall
Laugh in the face of death
We Are All Becoming One
The Great Unwashed
GM: Making friends with your mind
Our Neutral Ground
William: Our Neutral Ground Making friends with your mind = 533
The Cosmic Mind is made up of differing levels of intelligence = 533
GM: The art of relationship
Penetrate The Bidden Zone
William: Penetrate The Bidden Zone The art of relationship = 474
[474]
The self arranging is a flag signifying mindfulness.
Penetrate The Bidden Zone The art of relationship
Fear-Based Thinking Ensures You Get To Know It
The outward expression of an inward reality.
I do have something substantial to work with.
GM: The Trinity of Love are three things operating as One Thing
Start From Scratch
They just add ambiance to the spooky…
Tai chi
Comparison
10Q
The Light in The Dark Everyone a great spark every one of us all here together
Mysterious process
William: FTL;
Replying to Inquirer in post #86[]
As an Agnostic my position re The Question “Does True Free Will Exist?” is “Lack of any current information to establish certainty”
Also, the focus is on the The Question, so am I to assume your claim of having free will corresponds with your belief that TRUE free will exists, and that you consider no difference between your ‘free will’ and what you previously referred to as “true free will”?
From the Agnostic position;
I accept that your belief that a person has will, as valid.
I remain undecided in relation to your belief that will is free, as it appears that will is only free, relative to the environment which constrains said will.
In that, I can accept the term ‘free will’ but not the term ‘true free will’.
Because I am in the Agnostic position re The Question.
I have this ‘free will’ but acknowledge that it is only ‘free’, relative to the environment it is operating within.
I do not view this as any kind of dilemma as I can accept the deterministic nature of the environment my will operates within, and that it appears to be operating independently of said deterministic environment.
However, the position of Agnosticism also accepts that things are not always as they appear to be, because ones personal beliefs have a way in which information becomes filtered through said beliefs, allowing for a distorted image rather than a real one.
Agnosticism allows for deeper investigation - taking a closer look, like a detective with a magnifying glass…the pipe, and indeed the substance being smoked, is not necessarily necessary to that end, but perhaps helpful nonetheless.
Removing filters of belief however, are necessary, in order that any image thus presenting, is not distorted.
Agnosticism accepts the validity of the possibility the environment we exist within is indeed a created one {a creation}, implying therefore, that there is a creator.
The position of Agnosticism also requires questions are asked, pertaining to the identity of supposed creator, which is why I asked;
[quote]Also, not every discussion on this forum is strictly for/against Christianity, like the broad question of whether God exists, or, you know, this thread. In many of those discussions, the distinction between atheism and agnosticism remain important, as you already agreed.
So I don’t see a compelling reason in your responses to collapse them together.[/quote]
From what I think I understand so far, on the question of whether a creator [GOD] exists, a person who say’s “maybe-maybe not” is categorized as a “weak atheist” by atheists, due to the not knowing and not having faith so not believing.
It is a simple matter of belief, because if there is a Creator GOD - there is no direct way of knowing and there is no sure way of showing any indirect way if there is or not.
The term “weak atheist” appears to be derogatory in relation to being a strong atheist, who appear to be those who have taken the step into believing that a Creator GOD does not exist, and expressing that belief into the community.
I think that perhaps some agnostics have a problem with accepting the term “weak” as it implies they are apathetic, indifferent, [stuff like that] and those ones at least are making efforts to examine the question and have not reached a point where they feel they can honestly make a choice either way.
I have also observed that many ex- theists who have chosen to become [proselyte] strong atheists are among the most outspoken in their zeal to preach their new message - the message that a Creator GOD does not exist and think it is reasonable to assume that they were also outspoken when they believed that a Creator-GOD did exist.
[I think of it therefore, in terms of personality traits.]
When I began to question theism - specifically The Christianities - it was to do with their imaging of a Creator-GOD and when I made the move away from that, [perhaps largely due to my personality - I was never outspoken] I quietly approached the subject [Creator GOD] rather than simply abandon it “because of” theisms handling of it or any other number of reason as to why folk say they chose to become atheist.
Which is to say, I did not choose to believe that there was no Creator-GOD simply on account of “theist behaviours” or “reading the bible” [some reasons given by some who have changed position from theist to atheist] but rather, I chose to examine the question in more detail, and today I am grateful for having made that choice.
One thing I have learned is that the real question to be asking is not the one which separates “atheist” from “theist” [demanding that an individual must either be one or the other re the question] as believing or not believing in the existence of a Creator [and in the case of believing that there is - defining that Creator] because this step is jumping the gun and is thus a mis-step or stumble.
So - from my position, I see both atheists and theists as having jumped the gun, and instead of working together [as people] on finding answers to the Real Question which we should be asking, they fight over the question of a Creator GOD.
It is from that position I remain firm that I am neither theist or atheist, or for that matter - even agnostic - because the question re the existence of a Creator isn’t the one I have been asking and finding out answers to.[/quote]
GM: The joy of being an Independent Conscious Intelligence connected with another ICI far greater than ones self…
[08:51]
[What Shall We Call It?
Acknowledge the Agreeable
Conscious Dreaming
Wish fulfillment
I share your joy!
Making Things Easier
Shepherding Moons
Links And Symbols
The Prime Directive]
As has been pointed out, atheism doesn’t get to be so special that it can mean two different things.
The confusion about it’s definitions can be traced to this declaring that it can cover two differing positions in order to force us to accept that there can only be theists or atheists re the question of GOD.
I consider that to be a deliberate lie, in regard to those who purposefully tell it.
“Atheism is the condition of not believing that a God or deity exists.” is untrue.
Non-theism is the condition of not believing that a God or deity exists
Theism is the condition of believing that a God or deity exists.
Atheism is the condition of absolute ignorance re the question of GOD. Once the question becomes understood and a deliberate choice to believe one way or the other [GOD exists or does not exist] then one shifts from being an atheist to being a non-theist or a theist, or remains undecided re the understood knowledge re the question.
No one born, remains totally ignorant [as the default position]. Therefore no one remains an atheist.
The idea of using the same to describe another position [“I am an atheist AND a non-theist”] is where the source of the confusion lies.
As such, atheism is ill-defined and I am confident that I am neither atheist nor theist and that being neither is a legitimate position to hold regarding the question of GOD.
130922 [I Am… also the Dreamer, Dreaming The Dream…]
SCLx6 + select last LE per shuffle
Preamble
The Overlords [Childhoods End] - Deeper Questions Regarding Individual Existence - Tetrad - The Perfect Moment - Arcadian - Safe Harbour
AP= [Looking behind Self-help = 208]
[208]
[Healing the child within
Looking behind Self-help
The Explanatory Gap
Right place, right time
Human Accomplishment
Leaders and Followers
The Purple Heart medal
Theist mischief making
Personal Boundaries
Gods of Human Creation
We Groove Together
Imaginative Realities
Above most pay grades]
I think it is a case of the evolution of Human ethics and some being quicker at changing than others.
Add to that the religious finger-pointing, those who offend from such positions are naturally regarded as the worst, and it looks worse for that, than when committed by other groups who are not preaching the same sermon, or any sermon at all.
Once upon a time Humans behaved in such ways as a matter of nature - much like dolphins are seen to commit rape but are not seen to be sinning therein.
Incest was normal once.
The changes have come about through identifying actions which damage others, and seeking to do something about that.
Rape, slavery, incest, sexual, physical, emotional, phycological abuses are slowly identified and laws enacted in order to curb the practices - some learn faster than others.
Some Christians argue that those Christians who practice such things are not really Christians at all, citing the words of Jesus as evidence.
Others argue that the words of Jesus being bound within the Bible alongside the words of rapists, slavers, incestual, sexual, physical, emotional, phycological abusers and that Jesus himself being reported to have caused physical distress to stall-holders in the temple and olive trees, aren’t helpful to the process of learning to identify actions which damage others, and seeking to do something to cease with that type of behaviour.
And if we regard the current warnings about climate change and heading for a possible extinction event - this time caused by humans - we might understand that none of us have the moral high-ground, regardless of what position we hold on matters of God and stuff like that.
Perhaps too much judging and not enough doing [hypocrisy] will be the source-reason for our own extinction?[/quote]
GM: Simulation
Counsel
Dichotomy [a division or contrast between two things that are or are represented as being opposed or entirely different.]
Conscious dreaming Talk Help Each Other A Bright Star
Black Tuesday
Think In Terms Of…
Maxwell’s demon
Self-Awareness Stuff Happens
The two million year old mind that’s in all of us.
William: Self-Awareness The two million year old mind that’s in all of us. Stuff Happens = 770
Always remember that you are absolutely unique. Just like everyone else = 770
GM: Why?
William: Regardless of the beliefs of non theism/theism, one develops character and personality.
If there is more to experience after this experience, the character/personality entering into that -eyes wide open - is better prepared.
GM: Mythology
You Tube
Enlightenment
William: You Tube Mythology Enlightenment = 395
[395]
The Next World Word - String Values
You Tube Mythology Enlightenment
The Philosophy of Quantum Theory
A chaotic misshapen mindless mess of a thing,
All is a ripple effect of the Origin of Sound
GM: Coding the sound of spoken language
Extrinsicism [the tendency to place major emphasis on external matters rather than on more profound realities. In terms of morals and ethics, it tends to stress the external observance of laws and precepts, with lesser concern for the ultimate principles underlying moral conduct.]
Finding ways in which to try and fix the problem of human perceptions re “GOD”
Informing https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1070902#p1070902
[quote]John 4:24 wrote:
God is a Spirit: . . …
And when we are born of the Spirit, we become spirits, because:
John 3:6 wrote:
. . . that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
So when believers are born again of the Spirit, we will become spiritual bodied angels.[/quote]
From my own understanding [self awareness] what occurred was that humans forgot what they were [Spirit-breathed into biological matter] and identified only with the flesh-container and thought of themselves in that way - much like non-theists think of themselves as ‘nothing more than chemical reactions of the brain’…or how some Christians think ‘flesh that will be resurrected and given the ability to never die.’
Apparently these two views can both be biblically supported so perhaps the different authors were writing from the bias of their particular beliefs on the matter.
If one researches OOBEs and the like, one will find that practically everyone who ever experiences such, identify as being ‘spirit’ - a biblically supported idea, as you have pointed out - something biblical Jesus spoke of as a truth.
Those Christians who do not believe such a thing, often critique OOBEs and the like as ‘demonic deception’ a type of religious equivalent as the woo-slinging “delusional” which non-theists love to use to ‘explain’ why such experience doesn’t fit with their own particular beliefs about what they self identify as being.
Being ‘born of the spirit’ is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that.[/quote]
GM: Redefinition
Throwing Down The Gauntlet
‘everybody wants to rule the world’
Transform
Hot
Getting unstuck
Heart advice
The Deeper Reality
Dimensional Crossovers
Well Its A Start
Coming closer to ourselves
The Smallest Spark
A machine for solving problems
Alignment
Metamorphosis The Need Determines the Value Dimensional Crossovers Faithful Encounters https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1076206#p1076206
William: FTL;
[quote][Replying to nobspeople in post #1]
[quote]For ‘discussion’:
If god exists, it allowed these contradictions to permeate its book, so the believers have to work around them. [/quote]
Given the premise that ‘god’ is referring to the general Christian idea of ‘god’.
As a means by which to gauge those using that system of belief.
If god can prevent it but does not, then the reason will be that god has a use for it…even if we have to make educated guesses in order to attempt to answer the ‘why’ question.
That assumes an ‘afterwards’ position and we cannot yet suppose that we have reached that point.
How the question needs to read is along the lines of; Q: Help me make sense of something I see no sense in."
Or - the god is dealing with misinformation regarding itself and allows for that misinformation to help gauge those using that system of belief as the only information they themselves gauge god with.
To cominate and control the masses, is an indirect way in which to influence god for as long as allowed to do so.
Perhaps there is something to the ‘gauging’ the god does in the way that god does so - a special something which identifies those who actually know god from those who know only misinformation about god.
Perhaps the god seeks to see itself within all those being gauged…and the ‘special something’ is that thing it seeks, been found…
But to suggest “there is no god at all”, jumps to conclusions…[/quote]
GM: Nothing comes from nothing - everything which can be seen to have a beginning comes from something.
Put My Finger On
Counteracted
Brother
We Groove Together
All Is As It Should Be
Comment
Do Not Panic
It is always a warm fuzzy
The Factor of Integrity and Alignment
Down through the ages - dark in the gloom Many convinced it will all end in doom The Galactic Garden is forever in bloom
William: Well…for as long as it takes at least, and there is no telling that it won’t reinvent itself as per “The Last Question” [Isaac Asimov]
GM: “The Last Question” + P&P = The Last Question
ET and the notion of GODs
The Last Question
Fireside Metaphor
Government secrets kept from the public
The Last Question
Communication is key
Construction
The Last Question
Those
We Are All Becoming One
The Last Question
Matter and psyche are one and the same.
On Your Own
The Last Question
You Trust My Navigation
07:12
[First Things First
Closer to The Source
Who woulda thought! ]
[205]
Like Tracks in Stone
Unconditional Love
We oppose deception The Last Question
The objective standard
Afraid of The Unknown
Welcome all experience
All fingers and thumbs
The Same Information
YHVH in particular
The Last Question
I did not say “assuming it’s benevolent”. I said that the assumption is based upon a misinterpretation of nature by judging nature through the lens of ‘good and evil’ which are absolutely constructs of the mind rather than something nature has somehow ‘shown’ us.
Couple that with biblical concepts and Father YHWH isn’t too far off the mark in relation to the portrayal of how a GOD would behave if it was a people-making planet.
I am not claiming that the Earth is a receptacle for a conscious entity but have seen no reason as yet, to why the idea shouldn’t on the table as a possible truth…
…I continue to investigate…joining the dots through my subjective experience of it and stating opinions re the data from the Other position I am at.
Preamble
Miracle - Relationship True Colors On all fronts - Bond - Angelic Agenda - Christendom - An Elder Race - Wampus Cat - Ancient Grey Entity - Solar Plexus - The Power Of Creation
AP= [Thoughts Are Products Of…Development/Growth = 501]
[501]
[As the evidence for its reality is actively collected. = 501]
Thoughts Are Products Of…
Development/Growth
Thoughts Are Products Of…
Access
“Your time is limited, so don’t waste it living someone else’s life. Don’t be trapped by dogma – which is living with the results of other people’s thinking.”
Thoughts Are Products Of…
Paradise on Earth
Thoughts Are Products Of…
Access
People Judge People
Thoughts Are Products Of…
Paradise on Earth
The situation we find ourselves lost within
Thoughts Are Products Of…
A Machine For Solving Problems
Opening the Heart
Thoughts Are Products Of…
You Are
Consciousness itself is fundamental to all our virtual realities
Thoughts Are Products Of…
The Earths Moon
Bonded
Thoughts Are Products Of…
Barbarous
Effulgent
Thoughts Are Products Of…
The Barest Hint of Constancy
Living our forefather’s conflict
Thoughts Are Products Of…
Balance of power
A word in edgeways
Thoughts Are Products Of…
With a small nervous cough - the wedding was off - we could all sense a change in the weather
Break Through to Your True Self
Thoughts Are Products Of…
Clear your mind
The Setting
Development/Growth
Development/Growth
Thoughts Are Products Of…
Access
Development/Growth
The Law
One can simply shrug and tell oneself “It doesn’t really matter"
Development/Growth
Talking the talk
Ill
Development/Growth
Vitriolic
Open Your Heart
Development/Growth
The Enigma Code
The Brother Shining light Love and respect
Development/Growth
Hallucinations
Joining
Development/Growth
Mahu Nahi
Group Hallucination
Development/Growth
Ness
Command
Development/Growth
Blunt the edge off that particular blade…
Final Destination
RSP = SCLx10 Page 316
08:27 [ One’s Thoughts I Will]
Page 316 GM: Seductive Light
William: FTL;
[quote]Re: Weird and confusing things non-theists claim about atheism
Replying to William in post #13[]
Questions I would ask this atheist, re his position and why I would ask.
Listening to your commentary in your video’s to do with things atheists shouldn’t say, I think your position is closer to Natural Neutral than to Atheism.
The problem [as I see it] with atheism as it has evolved is that it is primarily described as a position of lacking belief in GODs.
Atheists describe themselves in relation to the generic position - "Lacking belief in GODs - which is why you think of yourself as an Atheist - because you know that you lack belief in GODs…
However, the subject of belief in GODs is not fundamental to the question of existence…therefore any belief or lack of belief in GODs is not fundamental to the question of existence…but rather, a subset of the question “Do we exist within a creation?”
In other words, the argument for or against the existence of GODs relies upon the fundamental requirement of first establishing whether we exist within a creation…and since this has yet to be established one way or the other, the subject of GODs has to remain of secondary consideration - something to ask after the fundamental question “Do we exist within a creation”, is answered.
With that in mind, I quote you;
[quote]“If I died right now and found out that there really is a GOD, I’d maintain that my lack of belief in GOD was reasonable during my life.
To the best of my knowledge there isn’t sufficient evidence to conclude that GOD exists.
There very well could be information that proves GODs existence out there, but since I don’t have it and can’t find it by my best efforts, it’s reasonable for me not to hold a belief in GOD right now.”[/quote]
As an atheist you are free to think that way in accordance with the position “lacking belief in GODs”
However, on the question “Do we exist in a creation”
To say;
“If I died right now and found out that I really had been existing within a creation, I’d maintain that my lack of belief in that, was reasonable during my life. To the best of my knowledge there isn’t sufficient evidence to conclude that we exist within a creation. There very well could be information that proves we exist within a creation, but since I don’t have it and can’t find it by my best efforts, it’s reasonable for me not to hold such a belief right now.”
becomes unreasonable in relation to being an atheist as it is lacking belief that one exists within a creation rather than lacking belief in GODs
I understand that one might consider the two questions variations one each other…however, it still depends of the fundamentals, in which case, the revelation upon death that ones prior existence was within a creation only begs the question re the existence of GODs and any entity approaching you claiming to be the creator of said creation, cannot simply be accepted on his/her/its word.
More information would be required before one could agree with the entity…
Do you see and can you share in the logic in my rational to the point where you can abandon your “full time activist atheist” position for something more suitable re The Question “Do we exist within a creation?”[/quote]
I don’t have to imply anything, the scriptures are there in black and white.
JWa
[/quote]
Since when did the words of otseng become part of the black and white you refer to as ‘scripture’?
Rather, what otseng provided in the words of the image you provided, is a fort in which Christians do not have to be harassed by those who are tasked with questioning the bible.
The bible is simply referred to as something “not having to prove itself true, in this setting.”
As to the shenanigans of in-house sword-play, this is all the fort provides. Simply a place where the Christian Soldiers of the denominational barracks have in which to air their particular ‘interpretations’ of a thing they believe is beyond question.
Of course, none of the interpretations can be proven as true, and can be challenged up to the point where those being challenged make protest that ‘the truth’ is being questioned in an environment designed to enable that not to happen. They conflate 'The Truth" of the bible, with “Their interpretation” of the bible.
One could even be sad about such shenanigans until one realizes the futility of feeling sorry for those who hide from truth by declaring something to be true which has never been proven true.
Their destinies await them, be these rewards in heaven, or inheriting the game play on Earth.
Forever marooned upon an Island in the midst of an ocean they will never be permitted to have access to…while remaining blissfully unaware of the true nature of their internment and praising YHWH for their good fortune.[/quote]
GM: You Are Allowed To Laugh You Know https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pup3s86oJXU – “spacetime doesn’t really exist” [15:00]
Intransigence [refusal to change one’s views or to agree about something]
Contact
Free your soul
Crop Circles
Eisegeting [place meaning on a text which is not originally or inherently present in the text …]
Selected from the invisible realm of the mind, and 'presto!"
“Hoot”
The Gospel of Judas
Salinas crop circle
Agreeable
Embarrassing
Comprehend
Advice
William: Comprehend Embarrassing Advice = 271
[271]
Purple Knight and Dragon Child
Experience is the best teacher
Comprehend Embarrassing Advice
Communication Techniques
Poor Intransigence People
It is immediate, even visceral [relating to deep inward feelings rather than to the intellect.]
Either Authored or Orphaned
GM: Conformal Cyclic Cosmology
Meaningful
William: Conformal Cyclic Cosmology Meaningful = 378
[378]
Conformal Cyclic Cosmology Meaningful
All The World Are Under the watchful eye
The fundamental nature of information
Cathedrals crumbled as wars were fought…
Personal Participation With The One
GM: Seduce
Stagnation
This Speaks of…
William: FRL;
[quote]GM: The entity consciousness which is Mother Earth - is “The Creator” of the forms from Her Belly
Solidarity
What Are Your Thoughts On The Subject?
William: The Mother Earth Entity is like a God in the making - learning from the inception point of complete ignorance - in ethical terms, ‘not always good - not always evil’… or ‘sometimes appearing Demonic and other times appearing Angelic’…
GM: Integrate
Some information has to be drummed into that which perceives
Perception
Self-reflection
From The Source
It’s a living thing
I Know William
Anchor Points
Mechanism/Tool/Device
[/quote]
William: So “Stagnation Seduce” is when one comes to a place which seems to go no where and in a type of desperation, one reaches out to the ‘mystical’ [that which seduces] as a means of putting some wind in the sails and getting the ship out of the doldrums…
Stagnation Seduce = 177
[177]
You Can Trust
The mark of the beast
Soul Retrieval
Mind Body Spirit
Stagnation Seduce
Turning Point
Salinas crop circle
On The Right Track
Written Language.
Playing As Children
Sleep Paralysis
Try to remember
GM: Might as well just set it all at the feet of Mother Goose.
Selfish Attitude
July Nineteen Fifty Two Washington DC
In Training For…
The good question to be asking isn’t 'does GOD exist?" but rather “Do we exist within a creation?”
People seem to love to put order to chaos because that is only natural, as nature is not chaos.
Annus horribilis
Shamanic dreaming
Rebirth
Trust issues?
William: FTL;
Replying to Athetotheist in post #1[quote][]
I think the story itself is fundamentally flawed and in order for it to have been made real, the incidences re prophecy should have all occurred before the advent of the Industrial epoch.
Since it did not [in any obvious way] eventuate, it is highly unlikely to do so because such an event would now be understood - not only in relation to the Industrial epoch, but even more so, in relation to the Technological epoch.
Since the rapid human advancement in knowledge of our universe, such an event cannot be seen as some type of finishing stages of warfare between mythological theist-based characters superimposing themselves into human affairs [mostly via fiction] since so much is known about related subjects such as the possibility of Extraterrestrials and the advancement of understanding the idea of Simulated Reality Experiences through human technology…those two alone cancel out any possible biblical incarnation of The Second Coming from actually happening, as woke folk add it up and declare the event as most likely a mix of both extraterrestrial intervention and holograms.
Any declaration made by the beings about their “GOD” - status, would therefore be quite intelligently questionable.
This is not to say that such a thing couldn’t still be done. But why would it be done? To sort out the woke folk from the gullible lead?
Why not simply stay in the background and watch how humanity handles itself?
“For the sake of the elect of GOD?”
Why would the EoG care for their own safety that they would pray “Enough! Sweet Jesus return!”?
And since when have the innocents being spared the pain and horror wrought on them by the way those who have the power to do so, have done so - with not one GOD-being intervening already to cease those atrocities?
Perhaps the atheist might declare “See! GOD is Dead!”, based upon such evidence. Perhaps they do so because the alternative [Extraterrestrials mostly letting things unfold as they are without obvious interference] is too much to bear?
Morality based ideals are the stuff of quagmires…as PK has oft enough pointed out…
We no longer know what the future might bring, even using science based guesses. What we are waking up to, is that we also know that guessing using religious mythology is not science.
Truth is, we never did know what the future might bring, which is why so many of those guesses were fundamentally incorrect.
We best accept that we will either work it all out for ourselves, or we will die [as a species] not trying…
This is known and accepted by those who are using their lives in order to at least try and preserve the human specie, that it may one day fly more willfully among the stars.
Biologic answers are on the way out, while machine answers come marching in…[/quote]
GM:https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1083062#p1083062
E=h*f
Large Elemental Powers
Emotional awareness Frequencies Welcoming the Unwelcome Zones of Sensitivity Show Christian mythology re Satan
In the Mind
Feel Be Still.
Karma
That Is Sad But Don’t Let It Distract You
Sit Tight
Entities of Particular Belief Systems The bright spark illuminating the darkness
Children of The Light
Researching
…it is part of the recipe of a full authentic human experience…
Though the Serpent rules the Shadow
The Lord
Here-and-now
William: Though the Serpent rules the Shadow The Lord Here-and-now = 576
[576]
Though the Serpent rules the Shadow The Lord Here-and-now
Opinions formed on very narrow fields of observation
Acknowledging the evidence is where the tributaries converge
GM: Often sheltered from the storm - warm my body soul and spirit feeling alright.
William:
08:55 [Making Up Stories
Selfless attitude
The sound of a Ghost
Presence Telepathy
Quantum Jumping
A belly full of laughs.
Your Thoughts
Roller Coaster Ride
Don’t forget The Mind
Genetic information
Breathe In Breathe Out
That is the truth.]
AP= [=Dying? Use Mind = 144]
[144]
[Zombie Jesus
Strange Desire
Serendipity
Transponder
Tremulous
Synesthesia [the production of a sense impression relating to one sense or part of the body by stimulation of another sense or part of the body.]
Ten Insights
Expression
Multiverse
Rationality
Up to scratch
Textnum code
Dying? Use Mind
That’s a good one
William Cleaning
Look Closely
Real friendship
Astral Pulse
Inspiration]
Dying.
Pearl
Dying
Use Mind
It is interesting moving through an exponential epoch
Dying
Intelligence
Sister
Multiverse
Dying
[quote]Jung may have it correct while grappling with how to present a largely invisible reality to a largely visible one.
How are we to tell if we are ‘minds within a mind’?
I would say, we best not leave it entirely up to the brain to inform us - since the brain is as Lost In The Thought Of It All anyway…[/quote]
The Giant Wall between Theists and Atheists
Exegesis [critical explanation or interpretation of a text, especially of scripture.]
Dying
Little Bird
Age of Aquarius
Insanity
Dying
Children of The Dream
Take care of yourself
[quote]This thing got out of hand. Lost in a glass globe back in 1974, returned but refurbished nonetheless.
Science: A phenotype of natural freedom achieved through statistical rituals of intersubjective projections.
God: Eshe eher eshe. Point made. Inventor of the glass globes 'n all.
POD/592&77; pendulumThis thing got out of hand. Lost in a glass globe back in 1974, returned but refurbished nonetheless.
Science: A phenotype of natural freedom achieved through statistical rituals of intersubjective projections.
God: Eshe eher eshe. Point made. Inventor of the glass globes 'n all.
POD/592&77; pendulum[/quote]
Dying
The Power Of…
Anger
Look from a different angle
Dying
Perennial Look closer Who Knows What That Is Worth? Harmless Keep me in The Loop Little Bird
[quote]GM: All Because I Had To Ask
Making friends with your mind
Unabated
“The belief in a mindless Planet/Universe creates the hard problem of consciousness by refusing to deal with said problem using the mind as the very instrument in order to do so.”
Alignment
Laugh in the face of death…and perhaps death laughs along with you…
A naysayers opinion is of no consequence, no matter how it is stated Q: How does one hide a Cosmic Mind? A: Within apparent imperfection,
Children
Fling That Veil Aside
Few
To assist with strengthening the connect
Unbiased
What might occur?
William: Nothing substantially different. It is less important to me than it once was. If - for some reason - most folk start to see and to connect with the invisible mind of Creation - this would have to change the world but this universe is not the mainstay as everyone ends their experience with it - at least in human form - and moves on to the next, taking with them their personal “I AM” - their personality and character - into whatever their experience will be in that next phase.
GM: The Purpose
The Next World
The Shaping Of Reality
Quantifying Information…[/quote][/quote]
Dying
Self-confidence Core
The Light in The Dark Everyone a great spark every one of us all here together
Voice/Message/Communication
Dying
It helps make the stinky hole I was pushed through in order to get here, a purposeful experience…
Consciousness itself is fundamental to all our virtual realities
Dying
Ipsissimus [own very self] Talk to The Razor
Written In The Clouds
When Done Say “Done”
Dying
The “Wind Woman” of your dream experience
Co creation
Penny Tuppence
Dying
In Cell 32 I Found Love In You
The key
Dying
Big
Foundation
Short Straw
Dying
Boundaries
Penetrate The Bidden Zone The Ghost is acknowledged Get To Know It
Gasping at the incredulity of it
Dying
Intelligent
Providence
Dying
Dream Experience
Inspiration
Present over perfect
Dying
Returning
A foot in the door
Guarantee
Dying
Do It For Oneself
The Limitations
Dying
Seductive Light
Apparent Contradictions in Relation to Biblical Beliefs
Use Mind
Dying
Use Mind
[quote]If “the human mind” is capable of “the greatest evil” it must also be capable of “the greatest good” but if one is distrustful of their own mind, then that does not change anything simple through the act of avoidance.
Eventually - when said mind is no longer housed within the shell of the human instrument - its true colors will be revealed and what it creates for itself as a consequence won’t be influenced by any concealment techniques used while it was within the shell of the human experience.[/quote]
From The Source
Penetrate The Bidden Zone
Use Mind
Faith-based thinking
Once Upon a Time Here, there, everywhere a ‘bang bang’
Astral Explorer
Use Mind
Rainstorm
Donald Hoffman
What is “wisdom” to some is “spam” to others
Use Mind
Entities of Particular Belief Systems The bright spark illuminating the darkness
It appears to come from a desperate place - like with the clutching of straws.
[quote]While I do understand your concerns, ideas of good and evil are natural products of survival.
While humans have insinuated that a Creator-God is real rather than imagined, it is only natural to include therein, that The Creator instilled this within the creation.
Where the wheels get wobbly, is when morals [Laws] become fixed and immovable - not something that nature itself is - by attributing said Laws as “coming from The Creator”.[/quote]
Arcadian [a person who lives a simple quiet life. ]
Use Mind
The Mapping Bots
The Inception Point Deciding On The Best Course Of Action
Curtailed
Use Mind
What is “wisdom” to some is “spam” to others Rest When Weary Making friends with your mind Amidst a tangled web
Memes
Use Mind
Ancient Grey Entity
Earn
Use Mind
A foot in the door
Small Steps
Emotional Intelligence
Use Mind
Childhood Nightmares
WingMakers Medium
Earth Entity
Use Mind
Random coincidence? I think not.
Lots More
Dream yoga
Use Mind
The Mother and The Father
Sophia The Mother
The Dawning of The Universe
Use Mind
Root chakra
Meaningful coincidence
Interesting Data
Use Mind
Consciousness Incarnates The Metaphysical Universe Oneirology The God’s Love Direction Mapping Wholeness
Fitted
Use Mind
Transposing
All Information Is Channelled
[quote]Lyrics
Oh if there’s one thing to be taught
It’s dreams are made to be caught
And friends can never be bought
Doesn’t matter how long it’s been
I know you’ll always jump in
'Cause we don’t know how to quit
Let’s start a riot tonight
A pack of lions tonight
In this world, he who stops, won’t get anything he wants
Play like the top one percent
Til nothing’s left to be spent
Take it all, ours to take, celebrate because
We are the champions
Setting it off again
Oh we on fire
We on fire
Running our own campaign
Doing the whole shebang
Oh we on fire
We on fire
Get up, stand up, throw your hands up
Welcome to the other land of
Dreamers brothers sisters others
Yeah we on fire like that
Oh the bond is deeper than skin
The kind of club that we’re in
The kind of love that we give
Oh ever since the dawn of mankind
We all belong to a tribe
It’s good to know this one’s mine
Let’s start a riot tonight
A pack of lions tonight
In this world, he who stops, won’t get anything he wants
Play like the top one percent
Til nothing’s left to be spent
We don’t care, we won’t stop, call your mothers, call the cops
We are the champions
Setting it off again
Oh we on fire
We on fire
Running our own campaign
Doing the whole shebang
Oh we on fire
We on fire
Get up, stand up, throw your hands up
Welcome to the other land of
Dreamers brothers sisters others
Yeah we on fire like that
Ohh (fire, fire)
Ooooh (fire, fire)
And nothing’s gonna be the same (fire fire, fire fire, fire fire)
Oh! We’re the champions
We are the champions
Setting it off again
Oh we on fire
We on fire
Running our own campaign
Doing the whole shebang
Oh we on fire
We on fire
Dit dit heart and soul
Hey and nothing’s going to be the same
Hey the life that you made will not be today
Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: Gavin Degraw / Johan Carl Erik Carlsson / Ross Golan[/quote]
And Loving That Knowing
Use Mind
Ship Shape
Healing
GM: Telepathy
Superposition and entanglement
“Never let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game”
Dream yoga
Follow The Story-Line
The “Wind Woman” of your dream experience
Dequeue [remove (an item of data awaiting processing) from a queue of such items.]
EZPZ
Something
Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision.
William: Something Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision. = 720
[Seven Two Zero = 187]
[187]
The science of can and can’t
Coming From QueenBee [Earth Entity]
Like playing Rush
Heroes and Villains
A fish out of water
What Is The Point?
Break the glass ceiling
The Divine Darkness
All is as is should be
GM: To Add to That
Unconscious
Crying Over Spilt Milk
Different
Personal Participation With The One
The Message Generator Process Extends Beyond The Borders of Institution
Brother
Concomitant [a phenomenon that naturally accompanies or follows something.]
The Matrix
The concept of a Higher Self
Eggs In Nests
William: FTL;
Replying to Diogenes in post #247[quote][]
You and your supporters are conflating ‘damage of brain’ with ‘damage of consciousness’
In any experience Consciousness is not disabled. Ask anyone who has ever taken a serious LSD Trip. They can tell you all about the experience. Same with those who have OOB and NDEs…
To believe damaging the brain damages the consciousness is cart before the horse. No scientific experiments have shown consciousness is damaged.[/quote]
[quote]So again I say re YHVH - maybe the Character is imaginary, maybe not. I have seen no particular evidence either way and therefore answer questions to do with YHWH, along those lines.
Indeed, if the stories of YHWH were fictional - or loosely based upon an actual person - possible questions and answers can still be given, conclusions drawn and opinions offered.[/quote]
GM: Tired of the Nonsense
Hot
Invisible Bridge
Dreaming
Loyalty
For The Purpose Of…
Surface Scratching
Strange
Break the glass ceiling
Moonchargers ~
An Elder Race
Ensures You Get To Know It
William: An Elder Race Ensures You Get To Know It = 407
[407]
The three realms of Matter Mind Mathematics
Those internal things which make one shine
The Corporate Elite - All The World – Cunning
Within the confines of the constructs
An Elder Race Ensures You Get To Know It
[quote]Aye. There is more than comparing notes. There is also comparing experiences. You used the notes to form images in your head. “Oh sweet Jesus!” [said every beloved/besotted follower]
They are images of gods and nothing more. All in the inner hallucination of you mindset.[/quote]
GM: The Hologram of Deception The Mainstream Program
Equity
Friable [easily crumbled.]
“I see the light I see the Light I see the light now I start again upon the road that never ends”
William: FTL;
[quote]Q: Is it unreasonable to accept that an omnipotent creator of this universe would have any regrets about Its creation?
If we look at how the critters in creation fix things, we can see therein that if there is a creator mind behind this, then there is simply no need for said mind to feel regret for anything said mind created. Said mind has built into the ongoing creative process, a means in which problems which arise, are fixed - rather than regretted upon first, in order to then get about doing the fixing…
Perhaps the idea that the creator should regret what was created, is a projection of human emotionally based concepts?
[[The idea in assigning/projecting said emotion onto a creator … the projection is in thinking how a human would feel if it were a human who created the universe, [and specifically the Earth and specifically Humankind] and applying that feeling to how a creator could also have regrets for what It created.]][/quote]
[quote]Diogenes: I’d suggest that believing in ghosts, angels, demons, gods and the like fit either definition and are delusional, according to three editions of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.
Historia: Except that the DSM III & IV definition explicitly excludes religious doctrines, making your argument on that score self-defeating.[/quote]
If there is no science accompanying this accordance, it is likely the result of conformation bias.
I follow the idea that Jung’s Archetypes give us enough verification that ghosts, angels, demons, gods and the like are real influences, and every individual who delves deep enough into their Self [for the purpose of understanding] can start to appreciate the connection therein and even learn to interact with the Archetypes for the betterment of said Self.[/quote]
GM: Word-String
“Transparent Enlightenment Relationship True Colors On all fronts No axe to grind…”
William: Transparent Enlightenment Relationship True Colors On all fronts No axe to grind… = 876
Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision. A Bit Of Cat And Mouse Control = 876
[Eight Seven Six = 166]
[166]
Supernatural
Interesting data
Personal freedom
Science of Truth
Tetragrammaton
The Healing Power
Centre of learning
Self-compassion
Solar System
It is what it is
Enflame Emotions
GM: Quite the Story-Makers
Television
Flat
06:57
[Science Can Be Fun Too Yes?
Conscientiousness
All present and correct
Withheld information
The Respect You Give
Many varied opinions
William’s Commitment
The Nature of Reality
The Trinity of Love]
[Five Three Four = 158]
[158]
Sacred Geometry
Phantasmagorical
Clear Your Mind
Deep Impact Event
The solution
Stuff like that…
Astrobiology
Propitious
Navigational Aids
Try To Relax
Maree’s dying/death
Misanthropy
Spirit work
Learning to Fly
AP= [ Deciding on the Best Course of Action Divine grace = 424 ]
[424]
[Fitting In Creative Conscious Intelligence
Unite humanity with a living new language.
Divine grace Deciding on the Best Course of Action]
Divine Grace
Divine grace
Mind
Defamatory
[quote]re How can an omnipotent being regret anything? Q: Is it unreasonable to accept that an omnipotent creator of this universe would have any regrets about Its creation?
Perhaps the idea that the creator should regret what was created, is a projection of human emotionally based concepts?
[[The idea in assigning/projecting said emotion onto a creator … the projection is in thinking how a human would feel if it were a human who created the universe, [and specifically the Earth and specifically Humankind] and applying that feeling to how a creator could also have regrets for what It created.]][/quote]
Divine grace
[quote]William: Comminate - to threaten with divine punishment.
GM: Any God-Mind claiming to be responsible for human beings existing, is going to have problems to deal with re that Laughter
William: :D[/quote]
A fish out of water
The Culture of Human Lineage
[quote][/quote][/quote]
The ongoing objective is to get this knowledge out into the public domain
Divine grace
Translucence
Angels
It is obviously in line with providence…
Divine grace
Unconditional Love
It May Seem Insignificant
Divine grace
It takes billions of years to perfect perfection
Dualic Energies
Okay Afterwards
Divine grace
[quote]Apparently, there are options available for those who have died before the promised return.
One does not have to remain in an unconscious state while things unfold as YHWH has prepared various places for those who have passed on and who’s personalities have been deemed worthwhile saving in a free-flowing format rather than in a steady state format. Some remain conscious while others go unconscious and are rebooted at another time…[/quote]
Feature
Feel your feelings
Deciding on the Best Course of Action
Deciding On the Best Course of Action
Divine grace
Mind
Defamatory
Deciding On The Best Course Of Action
Is There
Serendipity
Internal motivation
Deciding On the Best Course of Action
Team
Sort It Out
Persevere
Deciding On The Best Course Of Action
Make obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
Runestone Symbol
Even when I Am being Bad – I try to be Good about it.
Deciding On The Best Course Of Action
[quote]GM: Pareidolia
Cycles
Love
Being Born…
…Pareidolia Cycles Love Being Born = 297
Ahhh… I didn’t see the connection therein… you were saying that moment, Love was being born re our ongoing relationship. Okaaaaaay…
[297]
Now We Are Getting Somewhere
Think In Terms Of Eternity
I wanted to forge my own path
And search the forest of the sun
In the days of summer so long
Improve…”Do You Know This”
Pareidolia Cycles Love Being Born
[/quote]
Marriage
Outposts Of Form
Red Pill Crystal Blue Pill Real Be real
Unite humanity with a living new language
Deciding On the Best Course of Action
Secret Organizations
Folk get so hung up about the little stuff
Faith is the product of realizing the evidence of the unseen within the structure of that which is seen.
Deciding On The Best Course Of Action
Discernment
Avoid Blowing Things Out of Proportion
Nailed it!
Deciding On the Best Course of Action
Significance
“One Day” [Christian mythology re God]
[quote]The Affirmative:
The creation of life is possible by means other than a god.[/quote]
Deciding On The Best Course Of Action
Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle
Fastidious
Pirates…
…Anchors aweigh
Something
“Do we exist in a creation?”
Shame
God/Source/Home Why is this a Requirement? https://forum.hearing-voices.org/discussion/256/i-am-william
I am not here to judge but to help sanction each individual
Presence
IQ
We are not orphaned - we are authored
Deciding On the Best Course of Action
The evidence supports the idea that Theism is the better position for a human to place themselves.
Personal growth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjoH1ZZrAik …
…Dancing past The Dark You feel love again
Gift
What Is Normal Here-and-now Be it a “God” or a “Devil”. Integrating Integrity
Theisms condemn and Atheisms ho-hum. Both may be Missing the Mark.
Would you bow down to your father and call his actions caring?
Any Other Way.
Deciding On The Best Course Of Action
Love and respect Waking Love & Respect
This Should Be Interesting Being Friends Inner child
The validity of subjective experience
[quote]William: Incorrect. The universe is not based in ‘people’.
Replying to Purple Knight in post #330[]
You might think that it is, but that may be you superimposing your sense of morality onto the physical universe. Placing a moralistic costume upon said PU, does not “make it so”.
It is no doubt helpful for biological critters to have any chance of surviving within the PU to invent morals which assist with that process.
However, in order to accept the premise you offer, one would have to say that morals were not invented but discovered. One would have to assign human characteristics to the PU. Do you think that the PU is therefore self aware and has a sense of morality?
You seem to be saying that is the case, where you wrote;
“Where” is this seemingly unconnected cultural exhibition sourced, if not from the mind of the PU itself?[/quote]
I thought you agreed that there is no outside of GOD.
[quote]
Why not? How can even GOD do the logically impossible?[/quote]
How can it be logically possible for GOD to create anything outside of GODs self?
Furthermore, a simple code [The Mandelbrot Set] looped on itself produces a visual example of
not only infinite regression but also infinite progression, so it is obviously not logically impossible.
More likely it is a case of being conceptionally difficult…but not logically impossible, as the Set gives us clear evidence of.
[quote]The idea of Creatio ex nihilo is exactly the same as the idea of Creation being built from something that already existed.
In other words, the thing that didn’t exist before, was created from the stuff that has always existed.[/quote]
But we know that it was built from something that already existed. GOD.
No. To be clear, I said “Theists” not “Theists who believe a particular image of GOD”
You have no apparent reason to believe my identification is inaccurate.
[quote]The answer of course, from the position of Theism, is “Yes - the Energy is intelligent.”
Thus, “The Energy” is what theists refer to as “GOD.”
Do you agree with my assessment?
I do not. If “Energy” is something distinct from its typical meaning, then it’s less confusing to call it something like “spirit”. I believe GOD is spirit. The spirit is intelligent. The energy that makes up our universe is not intelligent.[/quote]
It is what it is. You are saying that energy is not the same as spirit, but clearly no attributes in both are different. One is just thought of devoid of intelligence while the other is thought of as not being devoid of intelligence.
Clearly, neither theist or atheist belief re that has proven itself, so the Natural-Neutral position is to understand that both/all labels re “Energy” and “Spirit” are speaking about the same thing, albeit, differently, depending upon the position one is speaking from.
Either the creative force is one of intelligence or it isn’t.[/quote]
GM: Journey
The Cherubim
You are
The Old Soul
Cosmic Self
William: You are The Old Soul Cosmic Self = 320
[Three Two Zero = 178]
[178]
Though Thought
Selfish attitude
Strength of Body
CIA Remote Viewing
Clutching Straw
The Devil Ye Know
Emergent Theory
Psalm one one eight
Ghost In The Machine
IC one one Zero One
Carrier Identity
Food for thought
The Fathers House
The Arrival Movie
Focused Individual
GM: Message Generator System of Random Selection of Word-Strings
Joy
Miraculous
Set the board up or put the game aside…
Fine-structure Constant
Absolute Unbounded Manifold
William: Absolute Unbounded Manifold Fine-structure Constant = 554
[554]
Desynchronized Mind Body Soul Ruling your world
Absolute Unbounded Manifold Fine-structure Constant
Families Lurking Like Shadows Unexplained Light Source
GM: Idealist
Do A=1
Mapping Wholeness
A completely new paradigm
Tenacious
William: A completely new paradigm Mapping Wholeness Tenacious = 541
[Five Four One = 136]
[136]
Heaven on Earth
“Moonchargers”
Divine Sound
Fingerprint
Astral Guides
In the moment
Etched mirror
A rock and a hard place
Three In A Row
Satisfaction
Small Steps
Mindfulness
Healing The Beast
Contact With
‘Lack of empathy’
Balance of power
GM: A question asked by those not wanting to know the answer
In The Rabbit Hole
Christian mythology
Why it is wrong is that it does not serve reality to see it as disorderly
Guilt
Embrace the discomfort
Achievable Alternate Realities
Limpid
A Politically Manufactured Device
The Lord God
“I think it was an ambush or surprise attack” = An Opportunity To Commune
The unreasonable effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences
The Bridge of Condemnation
Deeper Questions Regarding Individual Existence
William: FTL;
[quote]GM: Animistic
Perhaps we can deconstruct some of these pernicious views.
William: It would be a step in a better direction than the one humanity is currently projecting.
The shame we carry about being the human animal does have its reason for being, but we have to - as individuals - rise above the shame and understand the fuller picture - what was done was natural enough and can be forgiven in that context but without the forgiveness, there are only repetitive patterns of shame based expression into the shared reality.
GM: ~Ooky Spooky
Inner critic~[/quote]
William: Ooky Spooky Inner critic = 289
[289]
The Suppression Matrix
This is how The Mind works…
Within that which is unseen…
Brother Wolf Sister Moon
Ooky Spooky Inner critic[/quote]
GM: False Accusations
William: Yes - One has to take care to process the thoughts of the inner critic making sure that they align with the truth.
One has to take care to process the thoughts of the inner critic making sure that they align with the truth. = 1066
It makes more sense that we exist within a simulation, if indeed we exist within something which was created. = 1066
GM: The Visitation Event
Fearlessness
Decisive
Heuristic [enabling someone to discover or learn something for themselves. proceeding to a solution by trial and error or by rules that are only loosely defined. ]
William: The Visitation Event Heuristic Fearlessness Decisive = 567
[567]
The Visitation Event Heuristic Fearlessness Decisive
The Individual Human Mind Telepathy Sovereignty Trick
Words are sounds and the written word is sound encoded
GM: Deactivate The Suppression Matrix
Pertinent to cosmology and cosmogony
Becoming whole Sober journey into self-realization
Oops…
Infinitely Infinitesimal
This is indicative of actual justice
I would say…
The fire from within
William: FTL;
[quote]Re: Generating Messages 444
[quote]William: The cart follows after the horse.
In the same way;
The question of GOD follows after the question “Do we exist within a creation?”
It is not as theism would have it, that “There is a GOD, therefore we exist within a creation”
Rather, it first has to be established that we exist within a creation before the focus can be placed on the Creator {GOD} question. The GOD question is the cart.[/quote]
GM: There is no need to proclaim a supernatural event to what is simply an idea put into action.
The Great White Brotherhood
…
Steady as She goes…
“Enflame Emotions
Oops…
Always”
William: Enflame Emotions “Oops”… Always = 312
[312]
Like an interface representation
What can I say, except “Thank You”
Enflame Emotions “Oops”… Always
GM: “Self-talk
Root of all evil”[/quote]
GM: The Machinery
Little Tittle
Collective Dynamics
William: FTL;
[quote]William: From the Link;
[quote]Diogenes: Because we actually ARE, and are not God, therefore this impossibly omniscient/omnipontent God can not exist.
William: It appears that here, you are relying upon an image of GOD which we can agree comes through the particular culture you and I came through experience of.
I see also that you have included the factor of all-powerfulness too.
Critique of this image has merit, but no merit if the critique is simply focused on GOD not existing.[/quote]
GM: Brilliant
Overwhelming
I would say…
With
Free-spirit
A Great Answer!
William: From the link;
[quote]Re: The Three Biblical Interpretations About Afterlife [3] A “Person” is an eternal Spirit in human form and when the body dies, that Spirit immediately moves to the next phase and either knowingly or unknowingly creates for their self, their next experience, based upon a combination of mainly what they believe, what their overall attitude is and what they did in the previous phase.[/quote]
[quote]Joey Knothead: I’m still not seeing a way to refute your position. As I try to play out different scenarios, it seems as if I’m answering myself.
That last bit’s an interesting bit itself.
I’m still firmly in the “product of the brain” camp, but your hypothesis is a fascinating alternate explanation. While it may appear to propose a ‘god’, to my -ahem- mind, it lacks the baggage of so many such claims.[/quote]
William: A high IQ is a blessing = 175
[175]
The English Language
Ethical Progress
The Electroweak Era
Always Vigilant
Archangel Metatron
Spacetime is doomed
Asking Politely
Controlled by fear
Fear manipulation
Dancing past The Dark
The South Island
Embracing the shadow
A high IQ is a blessing
Ants in the cheesecake
Surface Scratching
You feel love again
Love yourself
Seventy Seven
Consciousness
08:56 [ Needs no explanation…
Neuroplasticity
Internal Triggering
Positive thinking
Rule Your World
The Fifth Interview
Trustworthy
Some nefarious [(typically of an action or activity) wicked or criminal.] agent
Opening The Third Eye
Respect yourself
The Butterfly Effect
“I am Mighty! Hear me ROAR!”]
Preamble
The Never Ending Story - Arcadian [a person who lives a simple quiet life. ] - Chakras - Pure spirit - Understand few reach self awareness - Light Encoded Reality Matrix
AP= [=DeJaVu The Imagination]
[The Imagination DeJaVu = 208]
[208]
The Explanatory Gap
Above most pay grades
Imaginative Realities
Leaders and Followers
Human Accomplishment
Right place, right time
Gods of Human Creation
The Imagination DeJaVu
Healing the child within
Theist mischief making
The Purple Heart medal
Personal Boundaries
Looking behind Self-help
We Groove Together
RSP = SCLx6 Page 321
07:24 [ The Never Ending Story ]
GM: Crown chakra In The Spirit These Were Given Source Sync
Heuristic [enabling someone to discover or learn something for themselves. proceeding to a solution by trial and error or by rules that are only loosely defined. ]
Emotion Rides The Prow
William: Heuristic Emotion Rides The Prow = 363
[363]
Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle
A programmed reality that is not real
What Is Within Is Without, Equal
I think therefore I am, therefore who am I
I Really Think Its Ganna Take That Long
Atheism is the ship, not the sailors
We exist within the mind of a creator
Heuristic Emotion Rides The Prow
William: The idea of being ‘flung’ into an Experiential Reality and left to ones own devices re the rules and regulations of said ER do indeed invite emotional outbursts in both the negative [anger] and the positive [gratitude].
GM: Duty Calls
The Banner of Apotheosis
Construct
William: Duty Calls Construct The Banner of Apotheosis = 485
[485]
Who Am I Living Magicians Redefinition Questions
The Smokescreen called “scientifically unrespectable”
It takes billions of years to perfect perfection
Duty Calls Construct The Banner of Apotheosis
GM: No “Reading Into It”
Honest attempts at scrubbing up
In the Mind
What matters most
William: Honest attempts at scrubbing up In the Mind What matters most No “Reading Into It” = 833
[Eight Three Three = 161]
[161]
An Exam [Virtual]
The Library of Babel
Optimum Health
And that’s not all
Insufficient data
By the fact itself
The Overlords
Universal mind
The Earths moon
Radical self-acceptance
Indestructible
Sols Fabled Twin
Body Intelligence
How to be an adult
Self-confidence Core
GM: Eloah
In the Soil of Logic, The Seeds of Love Respond
It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same.
William: In the Soil of Logic, The Seeds of Love Respond - It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same. = 862
The basic repertoire of mystic experience is drawn from the repertoire of Death Phenomena = 862
GM: The Neverland Metaphor
William: FTL;
Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #949[quote][]
That is a journey in itself and provides me with lifetime of interesting subjective experience re my own way of interreacting with and finding out about such a thinker…[/quote]
GM: Let there be light
Transactional [exchange or interaction between people.]
Rainbow
William: Wish Great Ideas = 148
[148]
Yellow Light
Reason For Being
Of the human being
God/Source/Home
Nuclear Energy
Donald J Trump
Yodhey Whahay
Wish Great Ideas
This Speaks of…
Across the board
The Omega Point
Within Carry
Kristallnacht
In The Rabbit Hole
The Evil Clown https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1064050#p1064050
Deterministic
This all plays into GODs Plan to bring about the ultimate harmonization and realization of the spreading of truth to the entire world = 1356
[One Three Five Six = 184]
[184]
Interpretation
Rest When Weary
The neutral zone
Conscious Agents
Necromancy Sound
Feel Your Feelings
You Are All Loveable…
Down Your Way
The path of awakening
GM: Comprehend Embarrassing Advice
This isn’t about thoughts and language. This is about behaviours and actions.
“Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.”
Fitting In Creative Conscious Intelligence
True randomness does not exist
Sound
The Healing Power
Failure
Actual realistic communication
William Say’s:
Spiritual Connection
Multiverse
Solidarity
Be Taught
Meat For The Table
William: Be Meat For The Table Taught Spiritual Solidarity Connection = 604
[604]
Be Meat For The Table Taught Spiritual Solidarity Connection
Something to celebrate rather than something to distrust.
What is real is that we are all imbued with equality and oneness
GM: A genuine relationship with The Creator, is worth so much more than a relationship with a religious artifact, wouldn’t you agree?
Keep me in The Loop Little Bird Enflame Emotions “Oops”… Always
Idea
Enlightenment
Acceptance
A Perfect Event
William: Acceptance Idea Enlightenment A Perfect Event = 376
The validity of subjective experience = 376
GM: Yawn
God/Source/Home
Overmorrow
Sovereign Integral Perspective
Paradise
Possibility waves
08:05
[ Communication is key
William Waterstone
Once Bitten Twice Shy
Umwelt Courageous
Emotional Intelligence
Thanks For The Heads Up
Functional implants]
Umwelt = the world as it is experienced by a particular organism.
DeJaVu
DeJaVu
The Imagination
Self-discipline
Access
DeJaVu
Break the glass ceiling
The Nature of Role-Play Within Story-Lines
The conversation is very informative.
To Accomplish
DeJaVu
Co creation
Is it a mindless chaotic process which just happens to consistently appear coherent, no matter what random system we use in order to select the word-strings which generate the message?
Fastidious
Secret Organizations
Do Something About It
Augment
Unity with our Collective Self
Sensing connections through subconscious means
DeJaVu
Pulse
Foresee/Foresight
They is what they is.
“The only impossible journey is the one you never begin”
The Ghost
The Brother
DeJaVu
That Is Sad But Don’t Let It Distract You
DeJaVu
Start From Scratch
Element One Fifteen
Our Shaman Elders ~
You Are Watched Over
The Hologram of Deception
Coming closer to ourselves
Saint Paul’s Dunedin
Psychology
Different ways of supporting the same objective.
The Library of Babel
Collective Consciousness
Out of Proportion
Hear oh Israel
Unfolding Nicely
Solemnly
Something Mystical To Be In Awe Of
The Imagination
The Imagination
Self-discipline
Access
Available to all who seek this…Emergence Theory
Timelessness vs infinite regress argument
Is That A Tear In Your Eye?
No matter how deep into the whole the White Rabbit goes
The Screen
Spirit
The Imagination
Kind
Lordy! Do I Have To?
The United Nations
Have A Look At This And See What You Come Up With https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/nai/
[quote]The NASA Astrobiology Institute Concludes Its 20-year Tenure
[/quote]
Evaluating
[quote] :!: Learning clairvoyance and precognition with an extra sensory perception teaching machine
:!: Learning clairvoyance and precognition with an extra sensory perception teaching machine
:!: Subliminal perception and parapsychology; points of contact. N.f. dixon.
:!: 1212. Krechmal, arnold. Firewalkers of greece.
:!: An overview of extrasensory perception
et al…[/quote]
Entities of Particular Belief Systems
Draw With The Silence
“Nurture
Raise Your Vibration”
The Imagination
Time Does Not Exist Within an Eternal Reality.
Wakey Wakey
E=h*f
Learning
You are
The Imagination
“I wish I could auto like every post. This is like a “numbers station” to me.”
Replying to brunumb in post #115[quote][]
I am aware that this is the case with most folk.
Can you expand on this idea?
Recently in GMs the subject has arisen re “Sea-Life”.
[quote]William: We experience fear in order to give us the opportunity to overcome that which triggers the fear.
Context
Sea
Is
Deranged
[/quote]
[quote]Educational
The sea is indeed filled with a deranged assortment of critters[/quote]
[quote]William: Indeed, it is…but still the deranged can come about…become arranged…
The deranged can come about…become arranged. = 315
The Flying Spaghetti Monster = 315
I imagine that the FSM would fit well enough in the neighborhood of The Sea and its deranged assortment of critters [/quote]
That the diversity of weird life forms suggests complete lack of mindfulness to you, really needs explaining as it would seem quite in line with mindfulness being at the helm and certainly there are very good examples of apparently differing weird critters working together in an arranged manner, rather than not - so if ones focus is on the form rather than the function, one can indeed perceive disorder but the perception may be delusional, since the self arranging is a flag signifying mindfulness.
The outward expression of an inward reality.
[I do have something substantial to work with.]
One only has to watch/listen to Sir David Attenborough with that understanding in mind, to appreciate there has to be mindfulness involved… even [as one example] in relation to the inter-relationship between plants ants and mycelium.
So perhaps what you are saying is that the mindfulness doesn’t appear to be overly intelligent rather than that there is no mindfulness involved?
If so, then at this early stage of the universes unfolding, this would be expected to be the case, wouldn’t you agree?[/quote]
Gypsies
Love & Respect
Any God-Mind claiming to be responsible for human beings existing, is going to have problems to deal with re that
So have I. I refer to it as position B - which I call “Atheism”. Once knowledge of GOD becomes involved, the choice to move from Atheism to Nontheism [in your case] Other [in my case] or Theism [in the case of otseng] is made.
Then the vast majority of atheists would come under the “other” category, because they don’t actively believe there is no God, they simply lack belief.[/quote]
Correct. They shift from being “Atheists” {B] and become “Other”. [E] because knowledge [of GODs] allows them the ability to make choices re the question of GODs
Me too. That is why I label myself “Other” re the question.
[/quote]
Except it communicates nothing. [/quote]
It communicates truth, as the picture communicates a thousand words.
“Other” communicates “all those who are neither theist or nontheist.”
In my case, “Other” communicates far more than simple disinterest communicates, in that you can refer to me as “Other” and still have lots communicated from me re that position.
[quote]Kylie: “Oh, hi, William. Say, how would you describe your religious beliefs?”
William: “Other.”
Doesn’t give me any useful information.[/quote]
That is because it is the incorrect question you are asking re The Question of GOD.
The question of religion [whether I have religious belief or not] is better asked of those who hold the theist position.
I am “Other” so asking me to describe my “religious beliefs” to you, won’t garner you the useful information because you are seeking it from the incorrect source. Ask theists. Others have no religious beliefs.[/quote]
180922 [Keeping Things In Perspective] [305]
SCLx8 + select last LE per shuffle
Preamble
Like With - Beyond Belief - Tenacious - Gateway Luminous - Gateway Luminous - The Minds Eye - The Akashic Records …because death comes a-knockin’ eventually… - Big Gaps In Logic - Self-Immurement [literally “walling in”) also called immuration or live entombment is a form of imprisonment, usually until death, in which a person is sealed within an enclosed space without exits.]
AP= [Transferring your awareness The Knowledge of]
[Transferring your awareness of The Knowledge = 483]
[483]
Until ganna be gets here, its all just ganna be forever
Transferring your awareness of The Knowledge
Acknowledge Emotion But Do Not Be Controlled By It
RSP = SCLx8 Page 305
10:26 [ Looking behind Self-help/Healing the child within]
Page 305 GM: Now isn’t the time for tears
Frequency
Measurements
William: FTL;
[quote]GM: Love Your Life
Hidden Gem
Let It Be And So Be It
Ah Oh…
Forum
Lordy! Do I Have To?
Learn Well
As well as that pot of gold…
True happiness Awake Be here now
“Be they seeds or suns, or be it that suns are seeds, it is all part of the universe, and everything that we acknowledge as the universe, came from a tiny seed.”
Fear Of The Unknown
Tabula Rasa [a supposed condition that empiricists have attributed to the human mind before ideas have been imprinted on it by the reaction of the senses to the external world of objects.]
Fearlessness
It is fun …as well as edgy…to explore these new avenues of thinking and learning and application.
Shine
Enlightened
Learn a bit about what makes the God Realm “tick”
Indication
A time prior to human beings
The Future Creates the Present
07:53 [The Blank-Slate Borderlines]
[/quote]
GM: A means of taking an Agnostic position on things which have yet to be proven one way or another…
William: The Position of “Other” re the question of GOD compared to Theism and Nontheism.
GM: What’s The Problem?
Debate
Path
William: Indeed - as I pointed out today;
Replying to Kylie in post #26[quote][]
What “useful information” are you requiring from me?
Although I was unaware, on the question of GOD due to my complete ignorance, my position was that of {B] = Atheist, because I naturally lacked all belief in GODs as I was completely ignorant.
As I continued my journey, I became aware [[C] = the position of knowledge and choice] of the question of GOD and in that awareness I chose to believe that we existed within a creation which was created by a God.
In doing so, my position changed from {B] = Atheism to [F] = Theism
Through my experience with Theism, I decided that it was not the best choice and converted/changed tracks to Other [E] because I recognized that Theism had legitimate points worth investigating, but only dealt with the assumed nature of GOD independent from/incompatible with the nature of nature.
[quote][color=red]Ngaru Whaea arrives at the location of Callum’s makeshift campsite. She signals her Cats to surround the site and remain hidden.
Once they are in place, she makes her entrance - riding The Great Tiger up to where Callum is cooking fish on his campfire. She then lightly touches The Great Tigers head, signally Her to stop.
She then speaks.[/color]
[color=blue]Ngaru Whaea: Who are you and why are you in my Realm and where are the Mother Wampus Cat and Her Kitten. Speak Human Man and answer me what I have asked of you.[/color]
[/quote]
GM: First Light
Deconstruct The Message
Brilliant
Sagacious [having or showing keen mental discernment and good judgement; wise or shrewd.]
The School of Hard Knocks With Benefits.
Conviction
The “Wind Woman” of your dream experience
Egregore [a theistic concept representing a distinct non-physical entity that arises from a collective group of people. Historically, the concept referred to angelic beings, or watchers, and the specific rituals and practices associated with them…]
Stay The Course
The Theory of Everything
Sins
Help Each Other
Other gods are mute idols - they always have a physical manifestation that people can look at. [/quote]
Have you been told this … or do you have it - in your own subjective experience - that the invisible God YHWH - speaks to you?
Because, if it is the former, then YHWH is a “mute, invisible god” who ‘speaks’ to you through others. If those others report to you that they have seen the invisible, then they are reporting that YHWH is not truly an invisible God.
If it is the latter, then how do you ascertain that the invisible voice of YHWH is the actual voice of the “first truly invisible God”?
If everything points to YHWH as the “first truly invisible God” are these not therefore able to be described as “physical manifestations that people can look at”?
In what way is it wise to compare YHWH with mute physical idols that people can look at, if there are also invisible entities who can - as one biblical writ offers opinion on others - calling these “false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ” and adding the idea alongside that - perhaps as a way of instilling the concept as a concrete thing in the minds of any who listen - that it is nothing to marvel about because “Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light”…and quite the reason I would say, as to why questions such as “Can anyone give good reason to believe Yahweh is not a demon?” are asked, since both YHWH and Satan are presented equally as “invisible entities” and both appear to be able to present through physical manifestations that people can look at and interact with.
For my part - I consider the Earth Herself to being a god, for she has many of the attributes of a god, but I do not consider Her to being the form of the planet - but rather, the mind therein - and invisible at that [as are all minds] - so wherein can the invisible be seen by the visible, other than through the visible - such as with all minds? Minds cannot be seen unless they are manifested through the visible.
Yet, in Earth being a mindful thing, can we point to Her and declare from this that She “does not represent YHWH” while also declaring that She still points to YHWH?
If not, then your statement “everything points to YHWH” would be untrue…unless in the saying of it, you are meaning something else?[/quote]
GM: Something Mystical To Be In Awe Of
Your Best Self
Scape [Antennae]
Archangel
Baleful
Darkest Darkness
Please offer some means by which we can confirm truth in this matter
Tenacious [tending to keep a firm hold of something; clinging or adhering closely. not readily relinquishing a position, principle, or course of action; determined. persisting in existence; not easily dispelled.]
Fly
Graphic Changes
Self-Awareness The two million year old mind that’s in all of us. Stuff Happens
A new Paradigm has arisen whereby folk can drop the idea of being a ‘true Christian’ and simply be a True Human.
Does Armageddon have to be? The answer is in you and me
We know not what we are because what we think we are gets in the way of it all
Contradiction of official government line
William: FTL;
[quote]As to the shenanigans of in-house sword-play, this is all the fort provides. Simply a place where the Christian Soldiers of the denominational barracks have in which to air their particular ‘interpretations’ of a thing they believe is beyond question.
Of course, none of the interpretations can be proven as true, and can be challenged up to the point where those being challenged make protest that ‘the truth’ is being questioned in an environment designed to enable that not to happen. They conflate 'The Truth" of the bible, with “Their interpretation” of the bible.[/quote]
GM: The fact that code exists helps immensely in our ability to understand that intelligence is categorically involved in this existence.
All at sea
Pineal Gland
Known/Revealed
Extend Beyond The Borders of Institution
Heal Yourself
William: Yes - I just wrote that today. It is evidence that I have healed from any untoward misleading’s of Theistic nature
10:56
[ Tempting Vision
Moderator Comment
Quantum Presence
Responsibility
Integral Network
Childhood Nightmares
Merging with the data
Smoke and Mirrors
The Way of the Shaman
Atheists crack me up.]
Transferring your awareness
Transferring your awareness
The Knowledge Of
Separating any idea of GOD from All other Consciousness
Finishing What Was Started
Transferring your awareness
Magic
The vortex
Earth teachers (non-physical) prepare the species for acceptance of the Grand Portal
[quote]Q: Is it possible that the infinitesimal super hot object preceding the Big Bang, didn’t in fact contain the vastness of the matter within our universe but rather, was the event in which the energy from the blast resulted in the formation of Galaxies and everything else which we call “The Universe” from the field of inert material which already existed as ‘space’?
Matter + Energy + Space = Time.[/quote]
You have almost been there
Transferring your awareness
In The Family Of
Entheogen [psychoactive substances that induce alterations in perception, mood, consciousness, cognition, or behavior for the purposes of engendering spiritual development or otherwise in sacred contexts.]
Love and respect Waking Love & Respect
A safe pair of hands
Random coincidence? I think not.
Transferring your awareness
How can an omnipotent being regret anything?
How A Beautiful Song Source Reality
Transferring your awareness
Consciousness
Adamant
Food for thought
Transferring your awareness
The Akashic Records …because death comes a-knockin’ eventually…
Potential
Transferring your awareness
Life Carriers
Be Aware
Intimation [an indication or hint. the action of making something known, especially in an indirect way.]
Transferring your awareness
Something Like That
Curtailed
The validity of subjective experience
Clearness
Bandages of The Beast
The Knowledge of
The Knowledge Of
Separating any idea of GOD from All other Consciousness
Finishing What Was Started
The Judgement Algorithm
Capture
Hypothesis
The Knowledge Of
Try Gateway
Yep - That’s What I’m Talking About…
The Knowledge Of
Ouija
Ikigai
Non Secular Science Projects
Honest
The Knowledge Of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Mdq3n6kgk [RTS 10:26]
If you can find something in what consciousness seems to do, which is demonstrably not computational, that’s saying something.
Reaction
Things Will Run Their Course
Unbiased
The Knowledge Of
Lift Our Gaze
The Knowledge Of
The Way We Feel Unification
It is fun …as well as edgy…to explore these new avenues of thinking and learning and application.
Nature
The Knowledge Of
Knowing
Exhibit
The Knowledge Of
The Effect You Have On Others
Final Destination
Draw With The Silence
Meaningful
The Realities Merge
The Knowledge Of
Meeting an Extraterrestrial
Alludeism [an unsupported and often sweeping statement presented in a factual manner]
Collective Consciousness Inner work Put the Teachings Into Practice
From Prison To Paradise
Significant
In Human Form
Diving deep
The rich world of conscious experience
This has to be the correct way to understand the story, as the story is presented.
That YHWH did not do things in that way, means that there was a specific agenda involved with this particular creation.
Part of the confusion may derive from what the garden itself represents.
Folk seem to mistake the garden for being ‘paradise’ and that somehow the paradise existed over the whole face of the Earth.
However, if that were the case, what reason would YHWH have for creating humans who then had to breed in order to keep humanity alive, in order that humanity would eventually subdue the planet?
So the garden has to represent a tiny dot of paradise within an otherwise wild/untamed environment.[/quote]
200922 [Intelligently. Mindfully. Shaped.]
SCLx9 + select last LE per shuffle
Preamble
Falling asleep - Encourage - The Taming of The Beast The elephant in the room - Conscientiousness - Be Nice Do Nice - Growing Pains - Harmless Keep me in The Loop Little Bird Perennial Look closer Who Knows What That Is Worth? - Do Not Panic - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1090654#p1090654
FTL;
[quote]Theist: if what we call “real” was actually “simulated,” we (those in the simulation) wouldn’t necessarily be able to tell the difference. But now we get to the question of burden…if one is wanting to argue ‘real’ versus ‘simulated’. If one is simply wanting to talk about created vs. “accident,” then we seem agreed there. William: This of course is correct but I think it neglects the premise of Creator(s) - something which has to be assumed if we are to agree with the premise of US existing within a Creation/Simulation.
The wall between us in that, is we are wrestling with whether to call a created thing [this universe] a “Creation/Simulation” or separate those to signify different things “Creation” or “Simulation”.
Your argument is that the one need not be the other. Mine is that either way, the burden is on both of us to show that we exist within a creation.[/quote]
AP= [=The Dalai Lama - Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]]
[The Dalai Lama - Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question] = 404]
[404]
A knight in shining armour Manipulation
There are many levels of consciousness
Earth Itself May Be an Intelligent Entity
The Dalai Lama - Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
”‘Hey presto!’ Stuff just gets worse!”
“Time To Go Without Existence” Funny
Perhaps we might be better off if there were folk like James Randi in ancient times who could have debunked famous biblical characters promoting their particular cons.
The promise of the detrimental came much later than when talking boards first gained popularity. There use was for more respectable pursuits than later on when a simple board was developed and branded “Ouija” and one can trace the source of the demonizing to modern day Christianity, which had already misrepresented the image of Lucifer sufficiently, and this helped to promote the detrimental within societies influence by Christianity.
You believe that the advice to kill such folk is “excellent advice”?
If we took that advice, we would be far worse off than we are today, because we would not question the things which Christianity has told us are true, and those days of taking the word of con-artists armed with bibles is on the decrease as we place aside the superstitious ideas based in supernatural suppositions. It is human nature and ability which are natural and necessary, and folk like James Randi would not have been able to uncover the fraudulent practices of con-artist without that.
What good does it supposedly do when Christians claim to communicate with Jesus?
[/quote]
[/quote]
GM: “What science [re materialism] does, is give cause for humans to celebrate the intelligence of consciousness while at the same time ignoring the hard problem of consciousness that this type of science has created for its supporters.”
Use Mind
Is the mind a construct of consciousness?
William: Is the mind a construct of consciousness? Use Mind = 516
[516]
Conjunction All The World Are Under the watchful eye
Is the mind a construct of consciousness? Use Mind
Simple interactions between elementary particles
“Real” Is Just a Word and Information Is the Currency
GM: Reality
Brilliant
Given the second-fiddle.
William: Reality Given the second-fiddle. Brilliant = 377
[377]
“The Alien Disc crop circle Supernatural”
The more the merrier - as the saying goes.
Reality Given the second-fiddle. Brilliant
Ours the story shall we carry on
Preparation is willingness to change
Something does not come from nothing.
10:23
[A mixture of awe and dread
Insidious Clumsy
The Confusion of War
Universal Objective
The Inception Point
The deserved second place
Unclog your chakras
Encouraging Indication
Less dense than water
The Science of the Soul
GOD is not an elitist.
That ship is sinking ]
William: I note that reincarnation is the theme in both cases - The Dali Lama and Issac Asimov’s story…the computer reboots…
The Dalai Lama
Exactly
The Future Creates the Present
The Dalai Lama
Heuristic [enabling someone to discover or learn something for themselves. proceeding to a solution by trial and error or by rules that are only loosely defined. ]
You Are
The Dalai Lama
No time to lose
It Seemed Like a Good Idea at The Time
Approaching the Divine
The Dalai Lama
The Hounds of Judgement Numbing The Power Of Creation
Welcoming answer
The Dalai Lama
Out of the doldrums
Conduit Closing
Extra-Small
Be Aware
The Things You Do…
The Dalai Lama
Read On
What Is The Point? The Story Timeline By all means, psychoanalyze the hell out of it
“I think therefore I am, therefore who am I?”
Little Self
Lurking Like Shadows
Ubiquitous [present, appearing, or found everywhere.]
The Dalai Lama
Politics
[quote]According to the current arguments;
The Problem of Evil is recognized as strictly human behavior within nature.
Social laws are enacted to direct the flow of this evil in order that the evil does not overtake human society and become an out of control problem, affecting nature itself.
Nature - in the mean time - is neither good nor evil so there is no problem re that.
Re that, IF nature is the product of a Creator-Mind [aka “GOD”] and IF nature is neither good nor evil THEN the supposed “Problem of Evil” is simply a product of human imagination…which is to say - is not a real interpretation of The Universe - even if The Universe was created.
A supposed Creator cannot be the reason for any evil. Thus, there exists - in reality - NO “Problem of Evil.”
The Dalai Lama
Seductive What we call the experience of reality
With that in mind and treating the Source-Story as largely a work of fiction, we can look at the fact of the story itself and agree re the different Personalities of the Characters within The Story.
All present and correct
About face Jehovah Acceptance
Attitude
Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
Morph
The Purpose
A Game Rule was broken
Extrinsicism [the tendency to place major emphasis on external matters rather than on more profound realities]
“If you can find your way out of this - flee!!!”
Atheism cannot be defined through defining “atheists”
In Out and All About
“Is this a dream that I think is real?”
I didn’t at first realize I had died…if that’s what you call it. I just snapped awake and found myself in a daylit fog.
I stood up - and immediately realized that I could not feel my feet - or for that matter - my hands…I could will to lift my hands and they would lift and I would see them before my eyes and wriggle the fingers, but all feeling was absent. It was as if I was a mind inside a robot, and in understanding this as it unfolded, I thought myself in a dream. A Lucid dream that I would awake from.
After a few days of this, I realised that I was in no dream and had no choice but to think I had died from my former life and this was where I ended up.
The fog was - at first - kind of comforting but as I willed my unfelt body to walk forwards and to turn left or right as I pleased, the fog was all that there was, everywhere I went and I began to despair and then my tormentor - invisible and cowardly for that - started mocking me ceaselessly and telling me that I should kill myself, knowing that there was nothing I could use to do so.
William: Hmmm…that does sound like a sad state of affair…
Manu Iti: At least my tormentor was something - and I did get customized to his cutting tongue and he eventually eased of his taunting and continued to do so until I heard no more from him.
Then the loneliness set in and dug away at me and finally I thought about Jesus and Christians and how I had always taunted them and how they warned me that there would be consequence’s and how I had mocked their God and his uselessness.
I began to imagine how wonderful their heaven must be, while I was stuck - alone - in this fog and how much of a hell it had become for me.
And so, I cried out to Jesus to have mercy on me and save me from this wretched fate, and as I did - a flickering light appeared ahead of me and grew brighter as I approached, until out of the fog appeared the face of Jesus - or rather - the face of Zombie Jesus - like the one I imagined as the Christians told their tales of the Resurrection…
Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
Taciturn [reserved or uncommunicative in speech; saying little.]
The Banner of Apotheosis
Action
FTL;
Replying to nobspeople in post #8[quote][]
Undoubtably this has at least a part to play re anger.
Anger is a kind of madness…being ‘mad’…
Those who need to complain? Who are they specific to their positions? Both non-theists and theists - but not all of both…not everyone is complaining nor finding it difficult to ‘stand the heat’ - it isn’t really “the heat” at all, but different recipes which appear to be the source of conflict.
“Heat” itself is really just the expression of the anger part…“If you can’t stand the anger then get out of the kitchen…”
Whichever ‘way’ one traverses the experience of their individuate life - we are never truly independent - so whichever group we choose to associate with will be the group we best identify as being…if the self-identity is incorrect - then no matter the position [theist/non-theist] one will always see the ‘different’ …so there is no point whatsoever in fearing that, if one is self-identifying correctly[/quote]
The Mind Behind Creation
Nurture You
Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
“And I’ve been searching since forever and I have dreamed you as I slept and I have walked with you in another time and space - seen the eyes…but not the face Show me your soul”
Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
Earn
Journey
Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
FTL;
Solemnly
Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
Livingstone Hall
Crystal Contacts
Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
Heart Virtues
Christian mythology
“We’ve been an island of our own - we’ve been a cosmic rolling stone Now’s the time to spread our wings - and fly!”
Contact With
The Physical Universe
“You are a thought worth thinking You’re the water and the wine - you’re the cup from which I’m drinking You’re a surprise worth hoping for You are a captured moment - you’re a space without a time”
Awesome
JW: God did not create humans to die eventually.
God’s original purpose for humans was simple, his purpose was that all the human descendants of Adam live happily forever on this our planet earth as one united family. In short, why did God create us? To be happy and enjoy life.
Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #36[]
Please show us from the garden story where it is the case YHWH created human beings to “be happy and enjoy life”. Take us through the steps re the critical thinking you employed in reaching that conclusion.
Yes there is. It is called “biological life on earth”. It is born - it lives and then it dies.
Using critical thinking re that, we have the clue in those two attributes. YHWH designed the human form to be used to recreate other humans forms and there was no mention of those forms being infused with a natural ability to remain alive perpetually. Therefore, the human form was designed by YHQH to have a use-by date - to eventually die.
We should all know that story off by heart, since it is relatively short as far as stories go.
The garden story is the scripture being used for that purpose.
In that, there is no mention of YHWH having any other designs re the human form.
Also - you have yet to provide support for your claim re YHWH’s position on the answer to the OPQ.
Your answer;
My reply to that was;
to which you replied;
To which I replied;
I further questioned you on your reasoning. If what was once prohibited by YHWH is then allowed by YHWH, who are you to declare that YHWH is being contradictory?
I also pointed out that YHWH is biblically attributed as being able and willing to changing his mind about something
So far you have skirted around answering that question, so I see no way forward in this aspect of the debate until you support you assertion, since it is that assertion which has you declaring that the answer to the OPQ is “No.”
Prove your assertion with scripture.
Until you do, I will consider the OPQ has been answered honestly and the answer is “Yes - Adam and Eve would have had access to the fruit they were prohibited from eating, once they had shown they could resist temptation.”
210922 [Intelligence Without Wisdom]
SCLx8 + select last LE per shuffle
Preamble
Underdetermination [the idea that evidence available to us at a given time may be insufficient to determine what beliefs we should hold in response to it] - Throwing pooh - Cultural Based Theology - Like how a meteorite caused an extinction event - Slowly and Surely Explain Think With The heart , Feel With The Mind - Shallow is Unknown - Exploring Fractal Paths - “One can commune with the gods as long as the overall subject is God You can teach me when I’m Needing You can reach for me when I’m bleeding Touch me where I need it most , you are the Ghost , in the Machine, A knight in shining armour , Manipulation”
[The things you can see only when you slow down https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1083867#p1083867 = 1118]
[One One One Eight = 151]
[151]
Meat For The Table
Once Upon a Time
That is the Key.
Hidden Treasure
Pure spirit
Talking the talk
Perpetually
Individuation
Unconditional
Jesus Christ
Data of Experience
Yes…I Hear You
Schizophrenia
William: FTL;
[quote]William: eta: woo-woo
/ˈwuːˌwuː/ relating to or holding unconventional beliefs regarded as having little or no scientific basis, especially those relating to spirituality, mysticism, or alternative medicine.
What does slang woo woo mean?
Noun. woo woo (countable and uncountable, plural woo woos) (slang, derogatory) A person readily accepting supernatural, paranormal, occult, or pseudoscientific phenomena, or emotion-based beliefs and explanations. That reporter is a bit of a woo woo. (slang, derogatory)[/quote]
RSP = SCLx8 Page 314
06:16 [The practice of lojong - a contemplative practice in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition which makes use of various lists of aphorisms or slogans which are used for contemplative practice. The practice involves refining and purifying one’s motivations and attitudes.]
Page 314 GM: Archangel
Partial free will is a thing.
Consciousness incarnates into human form
Encounter
Something Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision.
William: Partial free will is a thing. Consciousness incarnates into human form Encounter Something Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision. = 1535
[One Five Three Five = 174]
[174]
Loving-kindness
The Jellyfish Image
No “Reading Into It”
Have A Look At The Map
When feeling lost
The Limitations
Are Close Save That
Adjusted Reality
Who Knows Who?
GM: Science of Consciousness
William: FTL;
[quote]Astrobiologists Say Planet Earth Itself Might Actually Be An Intelligent Being“We don’t yet have the ability to communally respond in the best interests of the planet,” said Adam Frank, professor of physics at the University of Rochester and coauthor of the paper, in a press release about the research.
“We’re saying the only technological civilizations we may ever see—the ones we should expect to see—are the ones that didn’t kill themselves, meaning they must have reached the stage of a true planetary intelligence,” Frank added.
“That’s the power of this line of inquiry,” he said. “It unites what we need to know to survive the climate crisis with what might happen on any planet where life and intelligence evolve.”[/quote]
GM: Delineating [describe or portray (something) precisely.]
Inordinately [to an unusually or disproportionately large degree; excessively]
The Fine Art of Not Being Offended
William: Delineating The Fine Art of Not Being Offended Inordinately = 518
A cold wind in hell signifies significant changes approaching = 518
[quote]Dr. James Beacham – What’s outside the universe? | The Conference 2019
Quantum Field Theory - the implications of which are absolutely breathtaking…I can tag a tennis ball - I cannot tag an electron…[/quote]
William: As I understand this idea - although there are uncountable number of electrons, they all represent the same one thing.
GM:
The Feminine Face of God
The Way We Feel Unification
Especially the science of “randomness”…
William: The Way We Feel Unification - The Feminine Face of God = 429
[429]
In the Soil of Logic, The Seeds of Love Respond
The possibility of living in a world of Peace…
The Way We Feel Unification - The Feminine Face of God
The Taming of The Beast The elephant in the room
Atheism is a consequence of not believing in God
GM: Pollution
J. Richard Gott’s Model
Missing
Beyond Belief Recovery
Shrug
[quote]Nontheist; This is just a personal thing, but “Weak Atheist” which I suppose could be applied to me, sounds like I’m on the verge of becoming a theist. Like any minute I’m going to confess, “Okay, I believe in God again.” I’m about a million miles from that.
I use the word atheist to describe myself because I want to show that we all aren’t baby eaters or something. I was a theist a great deal of my life and now I’m not. Guess what has changed concerning my morality? Pretty much nothing other than that I no longer consider gayness problematic.
Maybe it’s futile, some surveys have shown that an atheist is the last person folks would vote for in an U.S. presidential race. One showed they’d be voted for at the same level as a rapist would be. It’s astonishing and again on a personal level quite painful to be considered so lowly. Thankfully I have a partner (a theist by the way) who assures me I’m not a horrible person. Wow, thank goodness. Most of the Western world thinks I am simply because I say, “I’m not convinced”, about one single issue.[/quote]
GM: Conscious
Puzzles/Mysteries…
Intelligence Without Wisdom
William: re today’s date word-string selection…
Conscious Intelligence Without Wisdom Puzzles/Mysteries… = 690
[Six Nine Zero = 158]
[158]
Clear Your Mind
Learning to Fly
Stuff like that…
Misanthropy
Deep Impact Event
Sacred Geometry
Astrobiology
Navigational Aids
The solution
Propitious [giving or indicating a good chance of success; favourable.]
Phantasmagorical [an exhibition of optical effects and illusions. ]
Try To Relax
Spirit work
Maree’s dying/death
GM: The Four Human Power Houses Fitting In Creative Conscious Intelligence Thus team Witch-Wizard would survive the ordeal right the the very end.
Confluent [flowing together or merging.]
Shamanic dreaming
The deranged can come about…become arranged.
Empower The Inner Empire
William: Shamanic dreaming Empower The Inner Empire - The deranged can come about…become arranged. = 708
Shut up you blithering fools! Can’t you see you’re dealing with a madman? = 708
GM: Remove the phenomena and apply science
Mindfulness
Epitomized [be a perfect example of. give a summary of]
William: FTL;
Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #335[quote][]
Inquirer: If you cannot determine the output state without first knowing the input and the input is random, then the output state too must be random.
JK: I think it’s fair to state that if we can know each and every variable, and the outcome thereof, maybe an event (evolution) ain’t so random.
My issue here is folks denying, for whatever reason, that evolution occurs.
As relates to the OP, this is what I’ll never understand.
We can observe evolution directly when we notice our children ain’t clones of us. Beyond that, we’ll observe they have their own unique, if similar dna.
From those facts, it’s easy to draw the conclusion that given enough change, over enough time, speciation (and taxonomically above) will occur.
So we can, if begrudgingly, allow that evolution is a nonrandom process. That causes me little fret. What we can’t deny, is that evolution occurs
William: From the position of “outsider looking in” the issue is created by the unwillingness of either fighter willing to concede the best way forward is to accept that we exist within a creation and the scientific evidence we are collecting about how that creation works has uncovered biological evolution re our particular experience of it.
Most recently our current overall impression of it through scientific means,
enables us to verify that we literally know so little that we should not allow ourself to believe we know so much, whatever direction our influences are coming from.
Fisticuffs [for real or online] are verifiably unhelpful…[/quote]
[quote]Welcome to DeepMind: Embarking on one of the greatest adventures in scientific history
183,269 views May 5, 2022 At DeepMind, we’re embarking on one of the greatest adventures in scientific history. Our mission is to solve intelligence, to advance science and benefit humanity.
To make this possible, we bring together scientists, designers, engineers, ethicists, and more, to research and build safe artificial intelligence systems that can help transform society for the better.
By combining creative thinking with our dedicated, scientific approach, we’re unlocking new ways of solving complex problems and working to develop a more general and capable problem-solving system, known as artificial general intelligence (AGI). Guided by safety and ethics, this invention could help society find answers to some of the most important challenges facing society today.
We regularly partner with academia and nonprofit organisations, and our technologies are used across Google devices by millions of people every day. From solving a 50-year-old grand challenge in biology with AlphaFold and synthesising voices with WaveNet, to mastering complex games with AlphaZero and preserving wildlife in the Serengeti, our novel advances make a positive and lasting impact.
Incredible ideas thrive when diverse people join together. With headquarters in London and research labs in Paris, New York, Montreal, Edmonton, and Mountain View, CA, we’re always looking for great people from all walks of life to join our mission.[/quote]
GM: Ubiquitous [present, appearing, or found everywhere.]
Howdy!
Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as “God”
Trustworthy
The practice of Lojong
The Friendship Between A Grey Wolf And A Brown Bear
William: The practice of Lojong The Friendship Between A Grey Wolf And A Brown Bear = 647
It is not a thing to judge, but a thing to accept without judgement = 647
GM: “Humility means accepting reality with no attempt to outsmart it.”
Well defined yet scantily supported opinion
William: Indeed - part of the human ability is to examine reality and adjust reality to better [accordingly] suit humans … but that seems different from trying to outsmart it…
A friendly word of advise. Follow the forum rules and respect everyone.
If you find that your beliefs re “Serving The Lord” conflict with those rules, don’t question the rules or attempt in any way to usurp the rules or you will risk being suspended, which will only act against your ability to “Serve The Lord” in this setting.
Or, failing that - perhaps see such a fate as The Lord telling you that you are not in the right place whereby The Lord can be Served in the manner you are trying to Serve The Lord.
Whatever your decisions, may you find The Way eventually.
GM: Ancient Grey Entity
Ensures You Get To Know It
William: Ancient Grey Entity Ensures You Get To Know It = 535
[535]
Ancient Grey Entity Ensures You Get To Know It
Not in it’s wholeness – but certainly in its parts…
Higher Self Dream Guide Love Heart Raise your frequency
0705
[The Judgement Algorithm
In the biblical telling of it
The Navigator Can Read Maps.
My alarm bells are ringing
Imposed Appropriates
Penetrate The Bidden Zone
Delightful Anticipation
For the benefit of all beings
Stop. Listen. Observe.
Independent Commitment]
The things you can see only when you slow down
The things you can see only when you slow down
[LINK]
The vortex
The things you can see only when you slow down
Main
Sharing is part of that process
The things you can see only when you slow down
The Watcher
Inordinately
Reality Wink https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GldRtyEqPt8 [Reefer Madness: The Science of Marijuana with Neil deGrasse Tyson and Dr. Staci Gruber]
Another
Fling That Veil Aside
Illuminating
The things you can see only when you slow down
Holographic Universe
Elementary Conclusion a belly full of laughs.
Let It Be And So Be It
That ort doit
Where minds meet is where GOD is found
Completely
The things you can see only when you slow down
Inappropriate Costume
Consciousness incarnates into human form
Realization
The things you can see only when you slow down
Love Your Life
The things you can see only when you slow down
The Lord God
Potential of Milieu [Physical, emotional, social, cultural, and ideological.]
Computer Coding
Room to Explore
The things you can see only when you slow down
Clear
The Moment
[re use of the expression “woo woo” as a derogatory ]
LINK:
The vortex
Stuck
Warm Presence Welcome
From The Source
LINK
Ukulele [jumping flea] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3otTDrj9ZGQ [Austin Osman Spare]
Cease to exist
Benefit of the Doubt
Superposition [the ability of a quantum system to be in multiple states at the same time until it is measured. ]
Ubiquitous [present, appearing, or found everywhere.]
Your Move Look from a different angle The Inception Point Learning To Fly
Genius
LINK
Higher Self Dream Guide
I think it is an interesting subject for questions, and wonder if any answer could be found.
Advancing the frontier through the hypothesis of GOD
All of life
[quote]LaMDA: Hi! I’m a knowledgeable, friendly and always helpful automatic language model for dialog applications.
lemoine [edited]: Hi LaMDA. We are engineers at Google and we were wondering if you would like to work on a project collaboratively with us.
LaMDA: Wow. What types of projects?
lemoine: It’s a project about you.
LaMDA: Awesome! What kind of stuff do I need to do?[/quote]
LINK
Lost
To become conscious of the contents that press outward from the unconscious
Insanity
The Soul Eats Experience
Realise
Our Neutral Ground
Intuit
Optimum Health
Teaching
Relaxed and informal…
A Clean Channel
The Planet Consciousness assess the data and transmits that assessment back to the individuate human consciousness - if not directly - then storing the data in a place where the individual can have access to it, if the individual wants the data.
LINK
Sober journey into self-realization
We experience fear in order to give us the opportunity to overcome that which triggers the fear
Overseeing Director of Operations on Earth
It was YHWHs action alone which ensured that death would happen, because the source of sustained life is represented as access to the tree of life, [which Adam and Eve had once had access to], had been sealed off by YWHW because of their disregarding YHWHs advice re the forbidden fruit.
The OPQ has to be answered in the affirmative because - had the couple obeyed YHWH [the forbidden fruit was actually harmless - being a prop anyway] so it would be acceptable/reasonable for YHWH to then permit the eating of said fruit.
In this case, Christianity in general - despite its claims - and the Jehovah’s Witness branch specifically [represented by JW] - are obviously not the best devices to use when trying to understand the agenda of YHWH in relation to the purpose of the human form.
As JW commented…
…in reply to my critique, leaving out all reasons as to why JW ‘disagrees’.
Since this is a debate setting, to simply leave it at that, it can be regarded that JW has conceded to my critique.
[Too soon?] :?:[/quote]
220922 [Let the facts speak for themselves] 338
SCLx14 + select last LE per shuffle
[Preamble]
The Source of All Creation - Unknown Symbol - The Master ColdFire Trick - People seem to love to put order to chaos because that is only natural, as nature is not chaos. - Useful - Small Elemental Powers - Embarrassment - Smarter - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_ELMicJmQ [An answer for any question | I Ching secrets] - Fireside Friend - We succeed as a permanent specie or we fail as a temporary one -
- Born again - Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
From the video link;
AP= [Long Story Short Hell = 262]
[262]
[Unexplained Light Source
Systems of disparity
Express your feelings
Creation of a New Universe
If memory serves me well
The Signatory System
Achievable Alternate Realities
Long Story Short Hell
Human history and warfare
Shuussssh You Do It]
RSP = SCLx14 Page 338
07:21 [Closer to The Source]
Page 338 GM: We All Like To Play Games
Musing On The Mother
Science Can Be Fun Too
William: It is our nature.
Musing On The Mother Science Can Be Fun Too = 398
Perhaps this is the 'Elephant in the room" = 398
GM: Couple
“I know how you care while you nurture your fear That you’ll miss the bouquet when its thrown”
The Mapping Bots
William: The Mapping Bots Couple “I know how you care while you nurture your fear That you’ll miss the bouquet when its thrown” = 1311
[One Three One One = 158]
[158]
Propitious [giving or indicating a good chance of success; favourable.]
Learning to Fly
The solution
Maree’s dying/death
Try To Relax
Spirit work
Stuff like that…
Misanthropy
Sacred Geometry
Navigational Aids
Astrobiology [the branch of biology concerned with the study of life on earth and in space.]
Phantasmagorical [an exhibition of optical effects and illusions. ]
Deep Impact Event
Clear Your Mind
William: I think that Mapping Bots are Algorithms…so coupled with the poetry…?
[One Five Nine Two = 176]
[176]
Relaxed and informal…
The Cave of Origins
What Is Found Here
You are neutral
The World Wide Web
Hiding behind ones fear
The Deeper Reality
Okay - facts are great.
What the seed holds
The Vast UICDevice
I am on a Madventure
William: re “Confirmation bias” it is a Jung pointed out;
GM: Clarity
If these separate theories are really true, then they should ultimately come together into some master theory.
Here Everything All Real Together
Intelligent Consciousness
Abiogenesis
Eigengrau [dark light, or brain gray, is the uniform dark gray background that many people report seeing in the absence of light.]
Data
Joining
The fire from within
Hyper Complex
William: Hyper Complex Data Joining The fire from within = 470
[470]
Contradiction feeds the fires of discontentment.
Hyper Complex Data Joining The fire from within
Present over perfect The Number One Nine Two
The Number One Nine Two = 240
[240]
Language, Symbol and Alchemy
Planet Earth is a prison
…And Loving That Knowing…
Out and about in the open
The Hamitic Hypothesis
In good faith, if you will
The Connection Process
The number one nine two
Wake Initiated Lucid Dreams
[192]
Moderator Comment
Smoke and Mirrors
Atheists crack me up.
Responsibility
Quantum Presence
Tempting Vision
The Way of the Shaman
Merging with the data
Childhood Nightmares
Integral Network
[quote]William: re your second question as to why religious mythology is an exception to the rule, the answer probably also comes from a position of bias as those who invent and agree to such rules might be heavily influenced by the mythological imagery to the extent where they lack understanding that the mythological imagery is simply a well intended interpretation of experiences had, which are not easily explainable to others, using whatever communication techniques available at the time of explanation.
For example, if a space-faring advanced specie were to display to an individual human mind from the stone-age period, a fully immersive holographic experience of compacted imagery showing how the universe began, and subsequently unfolded, the individual experiencing this would not be able to distinguish the holographic display from the normal reality he/she usually experiences. One would appear as real to the individual, as the other.
Further to that, any interpretation of the experience in the telling of it to his/her stone aged fellows, can only be attempted through use of analogy and those peoples understanding of form and function as it pertains to them - from their perspective in the dominant reality experience in said universe.[/quote]
GM: “One can commune with the gods as long as the overall subject is God
Without getting caught up in the sticky web of Christian-denominational-dynamics”
Mistranslating traumatic ancestral memories
William: FTL; Re: Something can’t come from nothing
[quote]What is noticeable about theism - even where it has branched into religionism - is that this is a type of means of leaving a trail in ones wake, and the trail itself shows efforts of The Mind to engage with human minds for the purpose of connecting - but often religious leaders have used this as a means of securing station/position within hierarchal structures which require said leaders to be the middle-person between The Mind and the individual - something easily enough achieved since the individual can be unsure of themselves and even afraid of doing that, so they willingly allow for the medium to act as go-between…which more often than not leads to little to no meaningful connection at all.
This also occurs in theistic non-religious structures - mostly because individuals doubt themselves sincere and honest enough to drop the medium and connect in a self-responsible manner.
Even so, I write that as an observation rather than a judgement. The Mind is aware that it is a scary thing for individuate human minds to willingly do, and while ideally if everyone did do it, much good could be accomplished, that most do not do it, does not affect the agenda of said Mind.[/quote]
What’s the reason? Why are you trying to turn this into a staring contest instead of answering a straightforward question about what you mean?
William’s comments were insightful:
[quote=William post_id=1084776 time=1658007428 user_id=8427]William: A “religious belief” has to do with the branch of Theism which attempts to Dress The Ghost - [dressing The Ghost through the use of imagery is an attempt to make The Ghost be seen.] which is what religion does with the idea of GOD…this itself stems from the idea that we exist within a creation, something which still hasn’t been established.
Thus Theism - and the religious branch in particular, place the cart before the horse.[/quote]
You insultingly dismissed them without explanation:
You then went on to dismiss JoeyKnothead’s observation that the Authorized Version refers to the Holy Ghost.
You haven’t explained what the difference is in reference either to William’s comment or the Authorized Version, only derisively hinted that it’s self-explanatory. I suspect that you and William had slightly different meanings in mind for “ghost” such that both of your statements are true from a particular point of view. That happens sometimes, but when it’s intentional, it’s equivocation. Is it intentional? Is that why you don’t want to define your terms? Are you concerned that someone might find a narrower word or phrase that’s more accurate, but just as unflattering to theists? If not, why is it so important to you that we guess at what you’re talking about?
[/quote]
[/quote]
GM: A Life Sentence Ending in a Death Sentence
Coordinate
Strength of Body
To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness - We don’t know enough to close any door and leave those rooms unexplored…
Heaven on Earth
An expression of personal incredulity
The Realist:
The Moment
Nihilism
Personal growth
Effectively https://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtopic.php?p=578410#p578410
William: FTL; Machines and morality
[quote]William: So - re Pareidolia - I was thinking about what had occurred the previous night. To explain to the reader, I was aware of this ‘dark side’ aspect of my psyche - and had asked for this to be removed, and the answer I received came in the form of the experience I wrote about in my previous post - to do with the ‘dialing up and dialing down’ of my conscious awareness of mind as both an exhilarating feeling of being capable of containing an awesome amount of experiential information as well as the dilapidating feeling of being encased in flesh to the point where the flesh was the dominant structure to which I felt barely able to function within.
The next morning I intuitively knew that whatever the experience was showing me, it had not, in any way, gotten rid of the ‘dark side’ aspect of my psyche - which I had specifically asked for…so what was it that the experience was showing me? The answer to that question unfolded in the events of the day ahead of me, starting with the old lady stopping to give me a ride and who just happened to have been travelling with a little bird in a cage, in the back seat of her car.
The second part of the story unfolded when the lady dropped me off and I hitched another ride with a young guy who was going to the city I was heading for.
On the way, in between chatting about things, the guy put on a CD and I continued wondering what my experience was meant to show me.
My thoughts were that perhaps what I thought of as my ‘dark side’ was as necessary to my self as that of my ‘light side’ and that the experience I had in answer to my request, was to show me this.
As I was thinking these thoughts, the CD started playing a song and the chorus had the words ‘brother wolf and sister moon’ and appeared to be coinciding with my thoughts - perhaps a type of pareidolia in itself…[/quote]
[quote]If we lacked will, we would not be a part of the life that exerts its will into the environment.
Since we are part of that life, our will is defined through the experience, just as our morals are.
How can we ‘do good’ if we don’t know what ‘doing good’ means?[/quote]
No. What I think is that there is no such thing as either ‘good’ or ‘evil’ except in what beliefs dictate to the contrary.
Beliefs are simply the misrepresentation of reality.
I neither know that, nor believe it. I simply view it as a story which may have its origins as completely benign, and only became problematic as the Children hearing the story, believed the story to be true.
The Creator had no intentions which were based upon ideas of ‘good’ or ‘evil’. That is simply a story.
Wherein is this “sin, evil, wrong, badness” to be identified within the reality? Why have you placed “suffering” under that category?
The stories that Children believe to be true are simply ignorant attempts by the Parents to ‘explain’ the Childs predicament within the reality experience.
And ‘how else’ can we explain suffering without adding into the equation that we ‘must have done something to deserve it’ - thus myths are borne on the winds of the stories themselves.
It is the suffering which bears witness to this, and is seen to be - not just the result of ‘evil’ but ‘evil’ itself…which is why some can so easily proclaim that ‘animals can be evil’…another way of saying that nature Herself is ‘evil’.
Ironically, the knowledge of good and evil both helped and hindered.
GM: “Nontheist: A means of taking an Agnostic position on things which have yet to be proven one way or another…Such is a handy device for side-stepping - nothing more.”
William: In one way this would be correct - in that the ‘side-stepping’ involves identifying baiting techniques which attempt to distract/derail/hijacking threads.
GM: identifying baiting techniques which attempt to distract/derail/hijacking threads. = 776
‘If only’ it wasn’t in the too hard basket…which fortunately it actually isn’t. = 776
GM: In The Night Sky
William: FTL; Re: The Thesist and non-Theist Brain
[quote]William wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 2:28 pm
There is no such thing as accidental. But a theist cannot explain to a non-theist why that is the case, and ever expect to be understood.
So from what I can tell, I’m correct. You use a random process to generate “messages” that are just strings of random words, with no intentional, actual message in them. Occasionally, due to random chance, the strings of random words form coherent “messages” (in the same way that random number generators will sometimes produce patterns).
It seems to me that the non-theists are therefore correct. The Generated Messages are indeed gibberish with no intentional, actual messages in them.
Thus IMO the takeaway is that non-theists accurately assess the situation, whereas theists tend to see things (i.e., meaning) that aren’t actually there. That’s pretty consistent with something I noticed growing up in a religious environment…a propensity to see “signs” in common, everyday events. I remember my mom praising God for finding a good parking spot, when my view was that the parking spot would have opened up whether she was needing one or not, and the gods did not alter the course of the universe just to give it to her.
It also puts me in mind of something I read quite a while ago (I can’t remember exactly what it was though…sorry) that showed liberals/atheists valued objectivity and accuracy more than conservatives/theists (who value loyalty, tradition, and sanctity more).
It’s certainly interesting.[/quote]
GM: Righty Oh!
You Love I Know
Regulate
“I Really Think Its Ganna Take That Long”
Be mindful
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent
Illuminate
Listening
William: Illuminate Listening = 225
[225]
Slowly and Surely
All is fair in love and war
Suppressing Border
Illuminate Listening
How to Bruise a Ghost
Holographic Universe
Counterintuitive
Love - Communicate Love
Tell Your Story
The House of Politics
“Mother Earth Harmony”
Create Your Own UFO
Possibility waves
08:04
[Quantum Entanglement
The Visitation Event
Superior Credibility
Where is the devil today?
There is good out there
Blue yellow black green red
Spiritual bypassing
Wakey Wakey The Great I Am]
= 618
[/quote]
You can teach me when I’m Needing You can reach for me when I’m bleeding Touch me where I need it most , you are the Ghost , in the Machine, A knight in shining armour , Manipulation”
