[Replying to The Tanager in post #696]
At this point I am bouncing around with ideas already established by religious theists in order to get bearings on the differences in beliefs as to how well they hold up to the things we do know about the universe.
One such option being examined is from the Jehovah’s Witness religion. As I am attempting with you and your beliefs, I am also attempting to get clarity on their beliefs re this.
So far what I am being informed, is that the JW belief is;
“The Spirit is not God. It emanates FROM God, like power emanates from an electrical facility. The power is not the electrical facility.”
There appear to be two theistic beliefs re the nature of Energy;
- Energy and spirit are distinct things
- Energy and spirit are the same thing
It was a mistake to add the so-called “third view”; [3. I don’t know which is true]
This has to be rectified, in that it is not a theistic belief and shouldn’t have been placed on your “list of views”.
To clarify. Which of those two options do you position your belief?
Nice try Tanager. Remove  from your list and the waters will clear.
One remains neutral simply by not making a shift to either Theism or Atheism.
One can lend and ear to either side without having to wear the burden of being accused of holding and defending the position of either side.
As I wrote;
"Being in the Natural Neutral position helps as it eliminates belief or lack of belief and simply accepts ‘we don’t know’ while acknowledging that it is still worthwhile to - at least - attempt to find out…"
And on that point, I gave you information re the Mandelbrot Set being shown to display infinite regression and infinite progression. The reasoning has already been ‘laid out’. Your thoughts on it [even as a concept unsighted] in regard to my own [already mentioned] are welcome.
Precise definitions of strategies
SCLx10 + select last LE per shuffle
“The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched — they must be felt with the heart” - True happiness - I AM WE ARE - Fast - Rationality - Blood Sacrifice - Freeing the soul - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh0rG0_IEAM - Everything Is Unique - Do a begin/end…
AP= One’s thoughts I Will [= 236]
[Soul Carrier Memories
Copper wire and glass beads
Strength is required
One’s thoughts I Will]
RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re
GM: Do a begin/end…[B&E]
[B&E throughout =GM]
GM: One’s thoughts Sea The Deeper Self Purpose To what end exactly?
William: I do not know. How deep is infinity that an end can be measured? Isn’t that what the Mandelbrot Set visually displays? There are begin/end points but the flow is infinity - regressive and progressive and neither contradicting the other.
GM: Cleanliness Discernment
William: I think so too…
GM: Victim/Vampire Energy Exchange All at sea
William: [Perplexed, bewildered, as in She was all at sea in these new surroundings. This idiom transfers the condition of a vessel that has lost its bearings to the human mind.]
Yes - I see what you are saying there. V/V Energy feeds itself on itself - ouroboros-like…which of course is also how infinity works re the Mandelbrot Set visuals.
However, the V/V exchange seeks to use the process as a means of staying around forever…not sure that is the best way to spend forever…it is unappealing to me…
GM: A dish fit for the gods… Description “Instant Manifestation”
William: We get what we ask for, regardless of how we use the energy…
GM: The Number One Nine Two
William: So far I have these entries under that value, on my N2N list;
[Smoke and Mirrors
Merging with the data
The Way of the Shaman
Atheists crack me up.]
GM: It is a mystery which must be solved that the Human becomes true.
William: Merging with the data
“The Way of the Shaman” then…
GM: The Physical Universe The rich world of conscious experience Fun…Work…But Fun Nonetheless
William: I am trying to see it that way…it isn’t easy…
GM: Actions speak louder than words
“The problem - as I understand it – is in how humans general think about ‘God’ and project their own sense of self into the model they each come to accept as the real thing.”
William: I said that. As it is right now, if I ‘see’ GOD as ‘consciousness’ and re this universe, as “The Universal Consciousness” or “Cosmic Mind” - The Mind behind the creative unfolding of the universe…my ‘sense of self’ - regarding that - is that;
I am loath to embrace the idea of enduring this universe forever…due to the aspect of entropy…it would be no fun hanging around forever once ‘things’ dissipated because things are what allow for fun to be had.
However, as I have been learning through this GM process - specifically to do with Isaac Asimov’s short story “[The Last Question]” - AND re the visual evidence of the Mandelbrot Set once the energy has dissipated through entropy, The Cosmic Mind simply engages with the Quantum field [The Matter] and creates a new ‘thing-of-a-universe’.
That in itself would be fun…
GM: Persevere “May all your madventures be fun.”
William: Indeed. However, some would argue that anything involving suffering isn’t ‘fun’.
GM: The evidence is too strong, to believe there is no intelligent mind involved as part of the universes structure.
William: Agreed. But what about the Cosmic Mind’s idea of “Fun” re “Suffering”?
GM: “Ghost Dance”
William: Like a ships wake? Such will be left behind…eventually?
GM: The Dark Night of The Soul Adjusted Reality
William: So when I argued…
William:…“Time” is meaningful only in the context of what is moved, rather than what is doing the moving?
GM: The Harmless Enough Agenda Crowd …Childlike
William: Understanding based upon being not being fully informed?
GM: Beckoning Positivity
The Navigator Can Read Maps.
Military Longing Righty Oh!
William: As in “Salute and get to it” ?
GM: It can be crazy and true at the same time
William: Annoyingly so.
William: The highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax. the elevation of someone to divine status.
GM: Story-Tellers Mind Games A countenance more in sorrow than in anger…
William: From the link;
[quote]Clownboat: Tricking people for profit surely isn’t kind though.
William: Humans are apparently not naturally inclined to kindness.
Diogenes: I disagree. Tho’ we have our moments of unkindness, in general all healthy humans value kindness. Our very lives depend on it. We evolved, we survived because we were kind to each other - we cooperated. It is in our self interest to be kind and cooperate. Even the ‘lower’ mammals are kind to each other and have a sense of reciprocal fairness. We didn’t need any particular religion or ‘savior’ to teach us this. We know it. Even the animals do.
We even have inter species friendships. We love and our kind to our pets. They are loyal and kind to us.
William: If it is natural for humans to be kind and therefore my comment that “humans are apparently not naturally inclined to kindness” is untrue, what unnatural thing compels humans to be unkind?
Or could it be that both states are natural enough, depending upon circumstance and individuals simple adopt the best way they can find as a means of being able to sustain the governing emotions required for either state?
Understanding that the individuate position most humans are born to experience, the underlying motivation is intentionally selfish because recognition of the importance of the self becomes the initial propellent for all subsequent actions employed.
In that, it doesn’t matter how one chooses to observe Jesus - as an historical image more human than the biblical Jesus - or how the bible images him - Socrates, Plato, Gandhi, Paul, David, Abraham or Glen - got their motivation for kindness from the same source - as we all do, when unkindness is dropped from our programs.
GM: “We are not orphaned - we are authored”
William: The link is to an earlier post - where Tanager and I are in the initial stages of teasing out the specifics of the different beliefs involved with A Cosmic Mind [aka GOD] and the way in which that mind creates ‘things’ - from within itself or from outside of itself…our discussion is ongoing…
GM: Bonding Entities of Particular Belief Systems
William: I remain upon minded re that…