Information Warfare Education, Propaganda, and How to Tell the Difference

Again, totally agree with this. Which is why I continue to describe Amber as “the foundation of civilization itself”. Without healthy amber structures, our red impulses never get put into check, and then go on to infect every new stage we layer on top. And I think that one of the big reasons why amber is so unhealthy today, is because it has been so thoroughly deconstructed by Green (and Orange) over the last several decades.

We need amber military chains of command, we need amber police forces, we need amber methods of forming national identities, etc. We don’t want UNHEALTHY expressions of amber, of course — at this point in our social evolution, we want those amber social holons in our society, but we want them “plugged into” Orange methods of accountability. The police force can be mostly amber, for example, but that amber-ness must be integrated into Orange laws, court systems, oversight, and other accountability measures, or else we risk something like non-discriminatory laws being interpreted/enacted in discriminatory ways.

Hell, I often go so far as to say that we need a new engine of healthy Amber ethnocentricity, such as a mandatory National Guard/Peace Corp-like service where all rich kids, poor kids, white kids, black kids, etc. are put together in service of something greater than themselves, which would also help re-generate a healthy sense of shared “national identity” among all of us, so we can stop making enemies of our own fellow citizens. (I also suggest mandatory gun training for all young Americans as an essential part of this service, so we can simultaneously re-own our martial heritage, while also beginning to take firearms out of our collective shadow, since we seem to be both so addicted and allergic to them in this society).

US has 8M 18&19 year olds per year x $100,000 for $15/hr min wage+expenses+overhead per year =$.8Trillion per year in addition Federal burn rate.

All to inculturate young people into a Grand Plan for America. And may we ask who writes said curriculum, staffs and manages this $.8T/yr program?
And what might the actual curriculum look like?

Didn’t you just argue that I mischaracterize you as inaccurately promoting Federal government expansion and control?

Ah yes, that’s right, I’m a Marxist totalitarian because I want government to do stuff sometimes.

It’s a utopian wishlist dude. Magic wand stuff. Along with things like ranked choice voting and repealing the Reapportionment Act. You seriously expect me to draft a curriculum for this program?

Honestly, spending .8 trillion per year in order to radically diminish gun violence and move beyond this culture war garbage in this country, sounds like an absolute freaking steal.

Tell you what — we spend over 4 trillion per year on healthcare, and guns are one of the leading causes of death and injury that contribute to that cost, so we’ll make up a healthy chunk of that .8T/yr by reducing the rate of gun-related injuries in this country, by training every American how to use and store one properly. This could also take some of the load off of other programs such as NG and FEMA, so there’s another chunk.

Also, to sweeten the pot – let’s totally end the drug war, legalize marijuana and psychedelics nationally, make addiction a medical issue rather than a legal issue, and empty the prisons of all non-violent drug offenders, while expunging their records so they can participate freely in the economy. Now government has to do less stuff, and we make more money back via savings, income taxes, and vice taxes.

We can also slash our military budget by at least 33%. There’s some more savings, and less government. Maybe that pays off some of my moral debt.

Didn’t you just argue that I mischaracterize you as inaccurately promoting Federal government expansion and control?

No, I argued that you purposely lied by claiming I wanted to take away people’s speech, arms, property, or freedoms.

At least you’re aiming high and unbounded by reality.

Should we cut 33% of the military budget before or after China completes the 450 ICBM silos to launch 100 warhead missiles that can hit any coordinate on planet earth?
Or perhaps we cut the budget right after we stroke the pen on the Iran nuclear deal that Russia is negotiating for us? That’s sure to yield amazing peace dividends.

Anyway, my point is that $1T to essentially indoctrinate every young adult into whatever ideology the curriculum dictates isn’t on the surface looking like it would allow you or I to keep more of our income, our financial resources - aka property.

Should we also look at global context?
Is the US society holding back global development today?

Are there non-governmental structures broadly deployed today in society that already stripe across all demographics today with similar missions?
What would the ACLU have to say about mandatory service?

Let’s see if we can get to the bottom of a few things.

There is clearly an ongoing conflict between the two of us. The vast majority of your comments to me come across as confrontational, contrarian, even antagonistic. I am not the only one who has pointed this out, and this has been true ever since the very first message you sent to me.

Now, for me this has often been a very creative tension. As I’ve said many times, it gives me an opportunity to think and reflect, to articulate and re-articulate my views in different ways. To see where I might be able to agree with you, where you might expand my view, even if I might put a different twist on it. I’ve spent a good amount of time writing to carefully outline my views. It’s been fruitful, and I am appreciative of that.

And yet….

These sorts of constant conflicts — the misrepresentations, the nitpicking, the low-resolution caricatures of my views — it gets exhausting.

It gets tedious to have someone constantly misrepresenting, exaggerating, interrogating, or dismissing your views, no matter how carefully you try to present them.

It gets tiresome trying to create enfoldment with someone who clearly only wants to argue and criticize and disagree with everything you say, and who is unwilling or unable to enfold in return.

All the more so when it’s taking place on a website that you yourself built, manage, and produce content for, and when it’s coming from the most frequent commenter (by far) in the community — making it all the more difficult to ignore. I have all of my skin in this game, and you are just a screenname.

So that has been my experience of our relationship. Often fruitful on the one hand, but also often totally depleting of my time, my energy, and my mood. I wish we could have the former without the latter, frankly.

I’m not sure how we can shift this dynamic and make it more of a healthy creative tension, and less of an unhealthy and exhausting conflict. I’ve tried a few things over the time we’ve spent together — I’ve tried to identify some of the primary polarities and fault lines we tend to disagree about, I’ve tried to explore ways to better manage those polarities, I’ve tried to suggest multiple reasonable, integrally-informed compromises around issues as difficult as gun control, abortion, and sex/gender education. But none of those seem to work, because it keeps feeling like I am the only one making the effort, and you just want to find something else to disagree with me about.

So where do you suggest we go from here?

I just want to say something about Amber and Red - and the importance to offer the opportunity of individuals in those structures to separate themselves from the structure.
We need Police - and if the police officer wants to be 100% police as his 100% identity, that is fine - but we also need to offer the concept that this isn’t necessary. Soldiers as well.
The outward form and action can be Amber or Red or Orange or Green - but the SELF can still be distanced from the outward action. The only one who knows the difference between blind red and selfless red is the interior.
There’s this concept of the warrior-poet. I think we need more warrior poets in all areas of life. This is not just warriors learning to read, but poets learning that fighting can be selfless.

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Have you watched Beforeigners by any chance? It’s a TV show on HBO. It’s very interesting and I think a great illustration of all of this. It’s a Sci fi story where Norwegian people from the ice age, the Sami (magenta) the Viking era (red), the 1800’s (amber) spontaneously time travel to our time and how the world has to adapt.

What’s interesting to me is the way Green holds the Beforeigner’s world views. I totally agree with the Umber need, I wonder if there is also a Green/Teal stage where we first learn how to manage all these world views?

Which is another thing we need to look at — how individual holons AND social holons can often regress in times of great stress, chaos, etc., usually falling back to a prior stage that offers more overall stability.

What I see in this conversation and the world conversation, is a lack of skill for handling the “stress” people are feeling. What’s interesting about this show, is the stress the Beforeigners feel in the modern world is a given and is treated with compassion (we need to develop this). The stress on the modern society is there too, but not being fully addressed (it’s all on them to integrate, sound familiar?) so the main character ends up with an addiction to the medication the beforeigners receive.

We need to look at the stress effect dealing with multiple stages at this magnitude and with this much consequence is having on our individual and collective psyche and find better management strategies. Social media fighting is not working, no matter how much skill we try to employ,

Beforeigners: Official Trailer | HBO - Bing video

This is interesting to me too. I do see Corey’s idea, details aside for a moment, as an effort to address developing a new healthy amber, which is a collective stage and will need a collective solution.

The essence of the question to me is how do we develop Amber, new rules, roles and National identity when we, as a country, are no longer a “Christian country” or collectively wanting war or foreign threat to be what defines our sense of nationalism? I think this is what Corey is trying to address with his solution. Instead of “debating” lets creatively brainstorm…offer up another idea! I really want creative conservatism to be in this game! I see conservatives now just wanting to be obstructionist and stop all creative development. Let’s shift that. If you don’t want new creative solutions, can you explain why and what you see happening when this process stops. To me it seems very unhealthy.

I would also like to make a distinction here that is maybe relevant to Umber/Orange conversation as well. There is a difference between spending money and investing money. When you spend $5 on apple vs $3 on chips, yes you are spending more money, but you are also investing in your health, that in the long run will probably pay off, both financially and in an elevated standard of living. I am very financially conservative too and appreciate small government, BUT I also like to invest in my future and the future of my community and country. Too much individuality and living for the now is typically unhealthy in the long run.

I pay high local taxes and my community is amazing. I have a public school that meets private school standards. My taxes are an investment for my daughter’s future and cost me less than a private school. Add to that we have a large population of low income kids in our community that are also receiving a great education that, for many, will lift them out of a poverty cycle, an investment in the country.

I would love this distinction folded into your ideas if possible. I want to emphasize, get that conservatives want amber to held by religion and military service and investment to be for business, I think the time for that is over. We need a new way. Liberal ways may not be the answer, honestly, I don’t like them either, but to just block them and offer nothing else up is what has set up the void the Woke filled, something we can all agree is a problem. We need to work together, stop “debating” and start “creating”! Doing this solely through elections means we are just building a lot of poorly designed structures (right and left). A bad idea is one thing, a bad structure stays with us a long time.

I think over the past 30 years what was considered Conservative and what was considered Liberal are no longer true at all. All through the 1990’s, I could have gone either way, tbh.
But I don’t think these words actually mean anything to anyone now - except “enemy”. It’s almost as soon as someone says the word “liberal” or “conservative” - I know their predict their world view is severely limited and also somewhat manufactured for them.
The form of capitalism we have had since the 1920’s is based on consumption, and now political or social outrage is just another consumer product one can purchase. Yes, you get a lot of free samples, but the ultimate goal of all those free offerings of opportunities for outrage and drama is to make a sale. Even clicks of the mouse generate revenue or weigh an algorithm slightly more in a company’s favor.
Then, the clicks generate patterns of behavior that become habits and then eventually after seeing that picture of an actual physical product enough times, they convert to a sale of a physical consumer product that you probably don’t actually need.
There is a great effort to “inform” people that they are lacking in some area of their lives such as health, diet, fitness, love, education, qualifications, and so on - and then provide an expensive solution to the artificially created problem. Yoga mats, yoga blocks, diet and exercise programs, glass water bottles, blenders to make kale smoothies - whatever. It’s all just another level of marketing that the individual is somehow lacking and needs a product to be better.
I don’t see the educational system as much better. I have a cumulative 23 years of formal education and when I review what I learned, it’s mostly trivia. Most of what makes me money or gives me quality of life I learned outside of primary-secondary-tertiary education. Education is also a consumer product people believe they need, but in most cases do not. Many times if I want a quick temporary job, I leave my higher levels of education off my resume completely - and it’s in those jobs where I learned the most useful and rewarding life skills.

I agree with this, and I would add that we need to stop identifying and classifying ourselves, and then there’s no need to classify others. Then the only debate is when people try to classify you, lol. But that’s much easier to reject their classifications of you if you have not classified them.

An idea is either a good idea or a bad idea. The whole concept of if it is a Liberal idea or a Conservative idea or right or left ow woke or not woke - all that is just rubbish. The idea. Is it good or is it bad.
Let’s take the idea of Patriotism. what are the pros and cons of being identified with one’s country? We could make a list and make the best choice, but if we identify as conservative or anarchist, we don’t make that list and don’t make the best choice - we choose what people tell us our identity is and what others tell us our opinion should be based on what group we belong to. Religion the same thing.
Worse, there is often an emotional charge projected onto people who oppose group identity. Every time I mention some historical facts about Christianity, some forum participants feel I am attacking that religion. If I mention historical facts about the United States, patriots get upset and if I raise questions about New Age ideas, woke people tend to get upset. The whole problem in all of these is identifying as a member of the group first before even looking at the issue.

Oh well, I’m starting to ramble.

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I also track this as a central challenge right now. Over the last 6 or 7 years, something has dramatically shifted in this country, which has in turn changed our own operating systems, and few people seem to have noticed — all of a sudden, our political identities have become absolutely central.

Political arguments aren’t anything new, and of course we’ve been bickering for generations. But it’s only been in recent years that those identities have become so incredibly opaque, we can no longer see through them at all. All of this is reinforced by our media, both the fragmentation of “mainstream” media, and the social media algorithms that are designed to seek profit for unseen entities by confirming our biases as often as possible.

Which is why it takes a little bit of growing up, waking up, and cleaning up, just to make our own political identities a little more translucent, so we can actually begin to see each other once again.

It’s a huge problem.

Which is why I want collective action taken in order to better reinforce our national identities, which should supersede our opaque partisan identities. I think a program such as I suggest would do exactly that. I’m sure there are some other options as well. But doing nothing, as we are currently doing, is only making things worse.

And hey, it turns out that 4 out of 5 countries with the highest quality of life on the planet, all have mandatory service programs.

@Michelle says: “There is a difference between spending money and investing money. When you spend $5 on apple vs $3 on chips, yes you are spending more money, but you are also investing in your health, that in the long run will probably pay off, both financially and in an elevated standard of living. I am very financially conservative too and appreciate small government, BUT I also like to invest in my future and the future of my community and country.”

Yes, we are aligned here as well. It used to be that the right and the left were capable of identifying social problems together, but their solutions would diverge — the stereotype was that the left liked to throw money at problems, often with poor results, while the right tried to find investments that would act as “multipliers” — spend $1 today to save $5 tomorrow. Which meant that the Democrats were often playing the short game (people need this help NOW!) while the Republicans were playing more of a long game. If you ask me, we kinda need both.

Now we see a bit of a shift — the Dems often still often want to throw money at problems, but they are also looking for leverage points and multipliers in order to invest more wisely in society. I’ve often used the example of the IUD program we used to have in Colorado for young women — the state invested some resources into this program, and as a result the citizens saved a ton more money on total medical costs, allowed these women to participate in the economy and produce more wealth/value, while also cutting abortions in those age groups in half. This was a very smart investment by the Democrats of Colorado, with measurably positive effects, both in terms of fiscal savings, as well as dramatically lower rates of abortion.

And sadly, that program was ended by conservatives who insisted on abstinence-only approaches to the abortion problem. Religious beliefs got in the way of genuine progress, and genuine reduction of suffering. The program ended, and abortions increased once again.

Which points to the “social entropy” I mentioned a few posts back — if we are running Orange solutions on an Orange operating system, while 50-60% of the public remain at Amber levels (as is their right), then there is always a risk of rational solutions being undermined by pre-rational beliefs and dogmas.

And sometimes, that is totally okay! If an Orange solution cannot be proven to improve the lives of all citizens, including Amber citizens, then that forces new solutions that can translate better to different kinds of value sets. Other times, however, it becomes purely regressive, especially when the resentment is coming from our opaque tribal identities.

And there’s also the ethos of the parties as they exist today. I believe that the GOP runs on a code that says “government can only make your life worse, elect me and I will prove it.” This has become part of their brand, as I see it. I think there is a zero-sum game being played, where the GOP cannot allow people to see Democrats solving any real problems, because that would show that a) Democrats are not evil immoral baby-eaters, b) government can do good things sometimes, and c) corporations do not have the public’s best interests at heart, and therefore need to be sensibly regulated, all of which run counter to that core GOP messaging. This is where all the obstruction from the right comes from, in my view, whether we are talking about stealing Supreme Court seats, killing programs that have proven effective, or resisting any and all policy proposals coming from the left.

And we can actually track that obstruction directly back to Newt Gingrich, who helped radicalize the GOP back in the mid-to-late 90s to no longer seek or allow any compromise with Democrats — to not even sit with them at lunch any longer — which only reinforced the growing divide between the parties. 20+ years later, and all of our media and political culture has reorganized itself into these warring tribes, with absolutely no overarching, commonly-shared national identity to unite them.

Which, to me, is the partial truth I saw with Trump’s ascendency, which was carried on messages of “nationalism” that many on the left found crude, narrow, and even dangerous. And often, they were crude and narrow and dangerous — especially since it was a very narrow view of “nationalism” that specifically excluded the left, who were branded as “Marxist Commie Pinko Stalin-Loving Socialists” whose views should be expelled from the nation. And of course, the Left counter-fired by framing everyone on the right as “Deplorable White Supremest Fascists”. But the partial truth that I saw, was that this malignant form of “nationalism” can only grow in the empty spaces where a healthy nationalism — a robust patriotism that is extended to all fellow citizens — should be. Only then can we begin to restore our parties as the “loyal opposition” they once were (these days we have all the “opposition”, and none of the “loyalty”, which can only come from a commonly-shared national identity), and only then can we grow into more stable worldcentric identities and structures, as many on the left want to take us.

Which is why the “mandatory service” part is only part of my overall recommendations here.

The first is to repeal the 1929 Reapportionment Act, which placed an artificial cap on the number of representatives in the House, and resulted in deeply inequitable representation, where some in the House represent many, many times more people than others. The House was specifically designed to be a fair and equitable representation of the people (while the Senate was designed to be inequitable, by representing states instead of people), but the Reapportionment act turned the House into an affirmative action program for conservatives. We don’t need to throw out the Electoral College or have a constitutional convention or anything like that, because simply repealing the Reapportionment Act (and implementing something like the Wyoming rule) would itself fix the electoral college, by giving each state Electoral votes that fairly correspond to the relative population of each state.

The second is to implement Ranked Choice voting in all 50 states. I have no idea how to achieve that, of course, since it is decidedly not in either party’s best interests to support that sort of system. But much of the dysfunction we see in our politics is not actually cultural — it’s systemic, meaning it is the inevitable result of our “First Past the Post” voting systems. Ranked Choice is a far better system, as it helps solve the problem of “voting for the lesser evil”, or even more accurately, “voting against the greatest evil”. It takes power away from the extremists, on either side of the aisle, and makes it easier for moderates to be selected by our voting system.

More “magic wand” solutions, for sure, but these feel much more attainable than creating a national service program for young people, as much as I think something like that is deeply needed in our society right now. These are the sorts of “leverage points” I was talking about earlier — the simplest solutions with the greatest impact. Applying just a little bit of pressure right here will have massive benefits for all citizens, and for democracy itself.

I haven’t seen this, but it totally sounds like my jam! I will check this out for sure. I’m a bit of a sci-fi junkie, and love getting turned on to new stuff. Thanks for the suggestion!

What I see in this conversation and the world conversation, is a lack of skill for handling the “stress” people are feeling.

I think this is an important insight. In my recent talk with Stefan Schultz (which I keep mentioning, because it was such a great discussion!) he talked about exactly this as an essential form of “integral journalism”. By “stressing the conflicts”, our media is creating more stress and more conflict. Stefan’s suggestion is for journalists to train skills in polyvagal theory, in order to lower stress, make our defenses and identities less opaque, and create more opportunities for genuine authenticity. In a recent email to me, he says:

“I’d postulate that this might have a lot to do with our Autonomous Nervous System that just blocks part of our brain and tends to release stress hormons - thus initiating this level-down crash. I’m therefore so eager to include Polyvagal theory tecniques into journalistic interview and moderation techniques. As this might help the interviewees to publicly be the best version of themself, thus being a shining example for hundreds of thousands of readers.”

Though of course, sometimes the stress can actually bring more authenticity, at least in certain cases! Are you familiar with the Hot Ones interviews? If not, a brief description — it’s a series of celebrity interviews that take place while eating increasingly-hot chicken wings. And what it’s doing is actually kind of fascinating — by deliberately creating physical stress on the body (those wings get insanely hot!) they are actually eliciting altered states of consciousness, which forces the celebrity to temporarily drop their public persona, allowing us to get a glimpse of the actual human being underneath. Such a brilliant way to use stress and state-changes to create a more compelling, and more authentic interview :slight_smile:

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I mean, that’s the “utopian” part of “utopian wishlist”. I sometimes like to live in two worlds — the ideal, and the real. A world where I like to imagine actual 2nd-tier governance across the world and what that might look like, and a world where I most likely will not see that in my own lifetime. So I like to live in both of these worlds, so that I can devote my life’s work to closing the distance between them.

Should we cut 33% of the military budget before or after China completes the 450 ICBM silos to launch 100 warhead missiles that can hit any coordinate on planet earth?
Or perhaps we cut the budget right after we stroke the pen on the Iran nuclear deal that Russia is negotiating for us? That’s sure to yield amazing peace dividends.

We currently dwarf Chinese military spending and capability. In fact we have a bigger budget than the top 10 highest spending nations combined. But sure, let’s bring it down to 25% cuts instead, just to be safe. Our allies — all united by our common modern orange-to-green worldview and governing systems — are starting to beef up their spending, after all.

Anyway, my point is that $1T to essentially indoctrinate every young adult into whatever ideology the curriculum dictates

Oh, you’d love the dictated curriculum. Rah rah America stuff. Gun training for all Americans. Hell, they can even keep the gun! Real-life practical skill development. Opportunities to travel and see our beautiful country.

The progressives would love it too. Humanitarian efforts, going places and actually helping people who are suffering from extreme poverty, natural disasters, climate change consequences, etc. Putting their progressive skin in the game, bringing some more walk to their talk.

Of course each side would have plenty to hate about it too. Hey, that often means it’s a good idea!

Should we also look at global context?

Sure! Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Switzerland are all doing it, and they’re doing pretty swell. Oh look, 4 out of 5 of countries with the highest quality of life on the planet all have mandatory service. Neat!

What would the ACLU have to say about mandatory service?

Meh, we’ll just tell them we’re extending mandatory education two more years or something. We’ll work out the details.

Besides, this all takes place in that ideal world, decades in the future. Exactly one year after all the Supreme Court justices took their trip on SpaceX to the Trump Hotel parked in geosynchronous orbit, and while looking out the window were all suddenly struck by the Overview Effect and instantly saw how precious and small we all are on this floating speck in an empty ocean that is infinitely larger more mysterious than we can possible comprehend. And then each of them were swept by a warm flow of love and gratitude and recognition of our radical not-two-ness, and why it is so critical for us to take care of our selves, our communities, our species, our ecosystem, and our world.

After that they decided to reinterpret the second amendment to mean all Americans can only have free access to firearms if they are trained by a well-regulated militia, for which every state was responsible for providing. This became too financially burdensome for states with the lowest per-capita GDP, many of whom were simultaneously the most impacted by rising oceans and climate change effects and most in need of national-level relief efforts, so the left and right came together to quickly pass a new Constitutional Amendment to make it a federal responsibility.

That’s how it goes down in one timeline, anyway :slight_smile:

@corey-devos
The Nation is one of the most arbitrary groups of people I can imagine. Magic lines are painted on the ground because of some battle fought hundreds of years ago, and now as a result somehow I’m a fellow countryman of @FermentedAgave. What a nonsensical completely random way to form large communities.
Communities make sense when there is some kind of shared purpose. Religions make sense in that all members of a particular religion (in theory) share the same values and vision of what is a “good life”. Communities based on geography also make sense. Cities, States and so on. Communities based on profit such as corporations make sense.
Language and culture also make sense, but if that’s the case then the land between San Francisco and the Mexican border would be a different Nation that speaks half Spanish half English.
But this thing called The United States only made sense so long as the vast majority shared the same values, which more or less derived from various grandiose ideas like manifest destiny, policeman of the world, champion of democracy and freedom, protector of the weak, and many similar myths.
These are no longer the shared vision or concept of 90% of the population. Maybe just under half if we are lucky, but probably not that much.

Looking at it another way, National borders perpetuate inequality where one nation uses various underhanded means to gain an advantage and even wring the very life out of the nation just across the river. Or, within the country one group seeks to use laws to gain advantage over or take something from an opposing faction. That’s what this whole Democrat vs Republican thing is all about. One group wants to have power over and take something from the other group.

If anyone was to ever plan out how we would organize the planet, the Nation would be the first thing to go because it makes no sense.

I think all of these ideas have real potential, but we can’t even look at them, let alone try to really incubate anything in the current environment. What to do about this “stuckness” has been what I have tried to focus on.

Lately I have been working with and thinking about the way the subtle body is interacting with each stage. Development is a death and rebirth cycle. There is a lot of grief in development. Modern culture limits our interactions with the subtle and has subsequently kept us in such an immature relationship with it. Even practices like yoga or mediation that can get you more in touch are reduced to acquiring a yoga butt or optimizing potential. I sort of see this space the world is in as the result of massive unprocessed grief.

I can watch it in myself, the more I feel overwhelmed by the planetary grief that comes from Green the more I just want to solve problems. Not that there are not problems to solve, but the unprocessed embodied grief creates a kind of desperation that gets in the way of enactment. My guess is there is a specific grief to each stage that needs to be worked through in the subtle body.

Grief is an interesting emotion that I believe goes along two possible paths.
One path grief leads to is despair, and the origin of this is in fear. The fear of loss. I had it and lost it, I might lose it, I might never get it, and so on. This kind of fear, yes - often leads to paralysis among other things.
The other path of grief leads to joy, and it’s origin is in acceptance and celebration. The grief of loss knowing your child will never be a baby again, but at the same time accepting they are moving into adulthood, then losing them further into marriage, until one day your little baby is a grown adult hopefully more capable that you are and able to move onto bigger ang greater things than you could. That is the ultimate grief turned to joy. With the planet, it’s necessary to take a radical acceptance that humanity is following it’s chosen path, much like a child. You may approve or disapprove of it’s path, but accepting the path it choses whatever it is - leads to liberation, celebration of humanity, and that same grief-joy. On an individual level, accepting life’s various setbacks as part of the joy of living gives you power and freedom to live a life of joy whatever your circumstances.

I recently listened to Nick Santonastasso speak. He’s one of those speakers who inspire gratitude and a completely different frame of reference no matter what one’s circumstances.

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Such a great article. Expresses so many of the themes that I’ve been trying to get across in recent weeks/months/years.

Lots to unpack here @Michelle :slight_smile:
Like it or not, the foundation of the US and all of the Western countries is an iterative relationship between post Mycenaean development of the Greek Republic/Democracy and then transformation of the Roman Empire by Christianity. We also have benefited greatly in being predominately a Protestant nation in foundation here in the US, primarily free from dominance from the Catholic Church of the day. This has given us a highly pragmatic/rational secularism while also honoring our religious faiths. Net-net is we were and are blessed from these amazing gifts that most of the world didn’t have the opportunity to embrace.

Since you’ve both critiqued as well as directed what conservationism “should” do, I’ll juxtaposition with where it appears conservatives are in fact going to take our society and nation over the next decade. This is wholly distinct from an Integral / Leftist “vision” of what “should” be, but more a baseline reality check. And in this refocus, redirection, we DO HONOR the influence the Left has had both recently and since immigration of the Hegelian/Marxist philosophers escaping Nazi German at WWII.

That’s all background, and we can basically shelve as we look at the current situation.
We’ve essentially seen the most Far Left majority government the the US has ever experienced make a mess of things quite intentionally through both policy and selective enforcement of policy. We all know the talking points of both sides so let’s not rat-hole on “they don’t like this so it means their Red or Umber”, but simply at the impact of the policies and administration of policies.

So what will we see this fall?
We will see a massive swing of voters across all demographics - black, latino, native, foreign born, young, old - swing away from the non-Liberal Leftists and their agendas. The Leftist media will essentially be “up for sale” for pennies on the $ as this trend continues, with only a pivot to what the population cares about as an opportunity for them to survive. Whether it’s new ownership, new leadership, or likely both.

Leftists will lose in the Federal government majority control of both the House and Senate in 2022. Sweeping investigations into Leftist corruption will ensue up to and including Impeachment proceedings against Biden, Harris, SecHomeland Mayorkis, SecState Blinken, SecDec Austin, AG Garland. This will be actual beginning of “draining the Swamp”, or reaffirmation of our Constitutional government.
With the stress of Impeachment depositions none of these elected or appointed officials will be in a position to further their agenda.

Also we should note that this “awakening” really isn’t a surprise since the non-Leftists have been trending to significant State legislature losses for several years. Leftists have majority control in 17 State legislatures with non-Leftists having secure majority in 33 legislatures. Note 75% of State legislatures can call a Constitutional Convention and Amend the Constitution.

Corey brings up an excellent point here. Whilst the operating systems, identities discussion is interesting, we can simply call this the awakening of the non-Leftists. Previously, we had essentially two ends of a spectrum - those that spent significant energy/lives operating in the political domain, and people that might vote, but didn’t want to spend the time and energy to “be political”.
The Leftists out of the Academy’s soft science’ish disciplines have long been studying how to infiltrate administrative institutions and they have been incredibly successful in doing so. That’s where the training of the classic Marxist/NeoMarxists like Marcuse, Gramsci, Chomsky were so useful during the post WWII era. So successful actually that it’s very apparent to all. No better example is the Left selectively using academic science’ism as key marketing points.

Now most on the Left think all of this is simply a matter of “we’re not getting our message out”, “these Umber knuckledraggers are too stupid to get it” when the alternative reality is the population IS getting the message. They’re living it, feeling it, they’re Awake to it.

Corey exemplifies the hubris of the Left and disdain for any that don’t validate much better than I can.

So I’ll try and wrap up a point or two:
So what does the US population “get” out of all this. They understand that working together with the Left looks sadly like “doing what I want, saying what I want you to say, and putting me in charge of $T budgets”. Very much a religious orthodoxy.

What is highly positive in all this is the non-Leftists actually are Liberal Democrat adherents by and large, contrary to the dispersions being cast. If the decidedly non-Liberal Leftists can stop the fear mongering, they might just find that they can get most of what they want, as long as they learn to respect what the rest of humanity needs.

But this won’t happen “collaboratively” until the self-righteous Far Left own their own desire for power and domination over others.

The Far Left can caterwaul their “YOU only want power and control, I’m here to SAVE YOU” mantras. Moving forward their financially and intellectually bankrupt media establishments and exceedingly declining political influence will relegate them to obscurity.

@FermentedAgave
Time and again I’ve pointed out to you that the “Left” has mostly moved on and is no longer the same Left that you are describing. You are about 20 years behind, describing what the Left used to be, not what it is.

What you describe as the Left is no just out of date, but also a projection:

Substitute “Right” and basically we have the same thing - which is why Trump was not re-elected - he did 1000 times over what you accuse of the Left.

Similarly, here - add Right to Left and we get very close to the truth.

Funny how this describe your post, lol.
“Catterwaul” describes your thousands of posts on here, lol.

THE SOLUTIUON TO EXTREMISM IS NOT THE OPPOSITE EXTREME

I agree Ray. I’ve even shared by political journey that I’ve lived, which you’ve essential described yourself.

Well then the Far Left just simply needs to “get their message out”, right? No work necessary…

True, but reality is the non-Leftists won’t need to listen much to the Leftists nor their agenda any more.

What is extreme or non-extreme about my assessment?

Thank you. I do appreciate your view. My goal in all of this was to better understand the situation. You have such a wonderful grasp of why you believe what you believe. It’s really been helpful.

I do think my desire for collaboration is just a childish fantasy. It’s like we live in two different realities. I do not know what is real, but time will show us.