Information Warfare Education, Propaganda, and How to Tell the Difference

You’re really going along with that fringe Matt Gaetz fever dream of making Trump SoH so he can be reinstated as president? Yikes. Such a strange personality cult surrounding this guy.

It would take 67 senate votes to remove Biden and Harris from office. You’re really betting big on the midterms huh?

The SoH is just some fun ribbing for you TDS addicts. :wink:

Biden is so feeble the Impeachment process would cripple him. And 10 Dem Senators trying to get rejected, erh reelected in 2024 just might not want to go down with Capn Dementia and USS Karl Marx. Lol

Any thoughts on.

Seems it might be heating up for Hunter.

https://nypost.com/2022/02/23/hunter-bidens-hot-water-is-reaching-a-boiling-point/

I’m not sure what your metric for “not getting the message”, but I’ll assume it’s something like approval ratings? Biden does in fact have a lower rating than most other recent presidents at the same point in their administrations, other than Trump, who was lower.

As for the reasons? If, for example, Biden’s economic recovery is truly as historically positive as it is (which it objectively is, by a certain set of narrow but useful metrics, as laid out in the article I previously posted), and if he has fulfilled a higher percentage of campaign promises than average, then why doesn’t it subjectively feel like it for the people?

I think there are many reasons why, including but not limited to:

a) the left is absolutely horrible at messaging,

b) the Democratic Party only has only the slimmest majority in the Senate, with two members who have handicapped Biden’s ability to pass the policies he wants to pass, which makes a great many on the left and middle to be disillusioned with Biden’s ability to fulfill his agenda.

c) our informational terrain is more polarized and fragmented and decentralized as ever, making it harder than ever for any message to get through.

d) an entire right-wing, hate-manufacturing media machine whose sole purpose is to flood the zone with propaganda in order to convince people like you to hate the left even more than you love the country (as demonstrated by Tucker Carlson’s sociopathic rants about supporting Putin and GOP candidates saying things like “I like Putin’s Christianity more than Biden’s Christianity”.)

e) inflation hurts, and even though the pandemic made it inevitable, it’s occurring globally, and there is no Biden policy that is responsible for causing it, it still creates “bad optics”.

f) Biden is just kinda boring. Which I actually like, dispositionally at least. But he’s too centrist for many on the left, and not exciting enough for the center.

g) propaganda works. And again, we are drowning in it. Partisan propaganda, foreign propaganda, corporate propaganda, and lunatic propaganda like Qanon.

I’m sure I’ll think of more to add soon.

Personally I hope he ends up being a morally decent, stable-enough single term president (in total contrast to Trump), and then we get some fresh blood running in 2024. We need to see a smart and savvy Gen X candidate who can help reclaim the political vanguard from the regressive woke, while also including the best qualities of green that have become distorted by the woke, as well as the best of orange and amber. But also someone strong enough to help us shake us out of our “zombie neoliberalism” and confront the worst excesses of the mean orange meme.

Kyle Rittenhouse launches The Media Accountability Project
This should help square up the Woke. Seems they are starting with Whoopie, Cenk Turkey, and several politicians.

All very strong candidates for “not getting the message out” to the voting population.
If we perhaps look a bit deeper at a couple of your reasonings:

a) When authenticity is lacking, trust is diminished or destroyed. Once trust is destroyed through in-authenticity, it can usually only be restored by simply doing the work consistently over time. Perhaps Biden is relying too much on messaging and not enough on “doing the job for Americans”

b) Sinema and Manchin are still Democrats that Caucus with the DNC. They were very clear in what would be required to support Biden, Schumer, Pelosi legislation. Very few “bought the message” that all of the DNC policies would be “free”, “cost nothing”. Instead of honoring their inputs/requirements the DNC and Media responded with attacks. Biden and DNC could have delivered on their “bring everyone together” messaging, but they simply wouldn’t compromise.

c) No doubt on this. I’ve learned some from your post, your different perspective across the terrain. Thanks

d) No doubt the right-wing media machine is anti-Biden. Their ability to “flood” is predicated on their viewership - the Left is doing the very same thing. You yourself are spreading division by claiming “Carlson’s sociopathic rants about supporting Putin”. While hyperbolic, this statement is simply not true.

e) Inflation is a global issue currently which fair or not, Biden gets “credit”. With DNC as our majority government currently, the US inflation is roughly twice the global average for industrialized nations in our peer group. Making matters even worse is US inflation number do not include fuel or food inflation. Again - authenticity in these matters matters as well.

f) Biden’s administration is hardly boring as the most radical Administration in the history of the US: Southern Border, NSBA+FBI vs Individual Parents to continue deployment of Wokeism with children, Civil unrest, Afghanistan, Energy policy, Foreign Relations, Ukraine, Russian energy, Covid, Middle East, China/Asia plus all of the personal issues.

g) I’ll point you back to your “right-wing flood” and “sociopathic rant” comment. Of course your “cherry on top” is always that Qanon statement (which no one on the right understands). I think all viewpoints - yours included - need to consider these types of rants, claims, accusations, and statements.

It doesn’t look like Biden or the elite Democrats intend to fix their authenticity issues, nor compromise on their agendas.

At the end of the day, Biden was given the “keys to the kingdom” as “leader of the free world”. Expectations are very high including “getting the job done”. Claiming “unforeseen consequences” from one of the most powerful Offices in human history, rationalizing will lead to honest and sincere evaluation of the Administration. And hence why we hold elections, referendums on job done if you will.

@FermentedAgave
I don’t see the Hunter Biden issue as even relevant, any more than - what president had an alcoholic adult daughter? I can’t even remember. Or Bill Clinton’s allegedly drug addict brother.

It seems you have Hunter Derangement Syndrome the way you keep bringing him up - especially when he has never held an elected office and doesn’t intend to.

Both you and Trump are the attention whores. You can’t jump around, make a spectacle of yourself, then say “You are addicted to talking about me and also deranged for talking about the big fat orange elephant in the room”.
It’s a kind of bait and switch you are trying to pull that nobody is fooled by but yourself. So YOU feel anyone who talks about someone who constantly seeks attention is some kind of derangement syndrome - but nobody actually cares that you think that.
Basically, you are caught up in your own trolling, making a joke and giggling in the corner about it, not realizing that makes you look like an imbecile.

Probably a better term would be statistical analysis. I don’t know if you have enough statistics or actual science background to understand basic statistical analysis. Perhaps you’ve run statistical experiments and see flaws in Dr. Shiva’s work?

I actually agree with you on much of your Swamp Assessment.
45 is an extremely heavy influence on the RNC today. Yes, to the point that he’s a make or break influence.

What’s interesting is in a Democratic Republic, should highly popular politicians wield more influence than politicians with lesser public support, but longer “time in job” so to speak?

@FermentedAgave You’ve read about Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai at Wikipedia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai

You’ve read about MediaBias/FactCheck funding sources? https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/funding/

In my opinion, the Dr. Shiva article on Rumble is not presenting a conservative topic, but a
far-right Republican topic. There is a difference.

I’m done with this Rumble conversation now.

And as for inflation, here’s one among several or many articles about the role of corporate profiteering’s contribution to inflation: https://www.npr.org/2022/02/13/1080494838/economist-explains-record-corporate-profits-despite-rising-inflation

Wow - I didn’t realize your go to “credibility authority” was actually 1 dude (Dave Van Zandt’s personal LLC) using subjective responses as basis for his ratings. That’s even less “rigorous” than I imagined. Nothing could got wrong with this, right?

Van Zandt must be feeling like he’s in “God Mode” while the minions are paying him for his opinions. Perhaps we should just refer to mediabiasfactcheck as “Dave’s opinion”.

None the less, Rumble is a content platform that does not appear to generate content. Similar model as YouTube, which coincidentally remains “unrated” by Dave. If we actually wanted to look into ratings, promotions, demotions in the “Information Wars”, you would think rating the promotion/demotion/ban/shadow ban algorithms would be an intellectually rigorous thing to do.

That’s what Joe and Jenn both claim from the podium. And they’re a-gonna-fix-it.the Bacon is $7/#, hamburger is $5/#, gas here in AZ is $4/gal - but luckily for Joe and Jenn neither food nor energy is included in the inflation statistics.

If you really wanted to screw the “little people”, you drive up that which they have no choice in continuing to purchase. Force them to buy an EV, go vegan and their lives will blossom.

Yeah, Statistical analysis is bunk. It was a required graduate course for me, so I’m not impressed by it as a “scientific study” at all. No, I’m not going to run statistical experiments myself. I don’t need to - statistical analysis in no way proves anything about the election, lmao. It’s complete correlative prediction of what was expected to happen vs what happened - and that is not science in any way.

If they are elected - sure.
If they lost an election - then that by definition means they are not as highly popular as they want you to believe.
Biden was proven to be more popular than Trump in a national election. All these attempts to deny that basic fact - yes, that is the threat to our democracy.
If Trump wins in 2024 I’m prepared for it - meaning I’m prepared for the USA to continue it’s downward spiral that was interrupted by Biden’s win. If it doesn’t happen, I’m ready for that as well.

I think this actually shows perhaps equal helpings of lack of authenticity and incompetence. Sad really…

Honestly here is a better example of incompetence:

Someone does a statistical analysis and calls it “science”.
Reality conflicts with that statistical analysis.
Therefore, reality is wrong according to scientific statistical analysis.

Again, you really have to look at your own Derangement Syndrome as well.
You seem to be unable to engage in any discussion without saying “what about Biden?”, no matter how completely irrelevant it is to the discussion.

Fits right in with Ken’s Clean Up, Wake Up, Grow Up as well as our Information Warfare/Propaganda thread. We can view this as a “round the horn” Clean Up through all 4 quadrants - Societal, Individual, Subjective, Objective…

I bet Jeff Zucker is really glad he won’t have to navigate CNN through this one. Will they wait for Joseph Robinette Biden Jr to retire before suing him? And man oh man the discovery the TMAP team will be doing through every Leftist organization in the US.

There’s that Derangement Syndrome again.

Cha Ching…

“The most radical administration in the history of the US”

LOL tell me you’ve been radicalized by your information terrain without telling me you’ve been radicalized by your information terrain :wink:

I guess trying to get your Vice President to overturn a democratic election is far less radical.

“ While hyperbolic, this statement is simply not true.”

There is a very strange affinity for Russia that has suddenly appeared within the GOP over the last several years. I wonder why that is? I think those last two videos might answer the question.

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@FermentedAgave
Yes, maybe you can make sense of the “To Russia with Love” in the GOP? Can you explain it?

Ah. Finally your Qanon Conspiracy detectives over at the globally recognized NopeWay group. 156 subscribers is impressive.
Yes the rhetoric out of AFPAC is regressive and I personally don’t know anyone that aligns with it. Do YOU know anyone personally that aligns with the rhetoric represented in their clips?

You posted garbage @corey-devos. :thinking:

@corey-devos

You might want to scan the CPAC speakers list and check off Intersectionality merit badges that could be handed out. This is the Yin to your Commist Yang, the Tangerine to your Gangrene Racial Industrial Complex and might give you a better view into all of “those people” you see as the enemy to your progress.

It’s at least worth considering. He’ll, you can even claim to have “been the agent of change” right? We KNOW that those Blackhearted Conservatives would never have changed without being forced kicking and screaming.