It’s not about having a ‘divisive’ conversation. We can disagree like grown ups, without making character attacks against each other. You’ve done it multiple times in this thread, putting words in my mouth I clearly never said. I am not doing the same to you.
For the Reuter’s article:
“…said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation.”
So the FBI hasn’t actually said anything, just one former official with “knowledge” of the investigation.
Reuters is a usually tremendously solid source, but I think they jumped the gun on this one. Fortunately there is a full Congressional investigation happening. Which, for some reason, the GOP keeps trying to prevent – which is weird, considering January 6th was obviously done by Antifa and FBI insiders! I guess we’ll wait to see what happens with the subpoenas that just went out.
The fact that it was an failed insurrection by idiots doesn’t make it any less of an insurrection, and doesn’t make it any less of a mostly Qanon-driven event.
Qanon was/is a real phenomenon, with real beliefs, with real true-believers, and they are the ones most responsible for the January 6th insurrection where they beat police officers, broke down doors and windows, and smeared shit on the walls.
I’ve already said many times that some of the BLM protests did turn violent, and that I want those people to be held accountable to the law. In a modern society, nonviolence is always the best form of protest. But they certainly did not burn entire cities to the ground like I keep hearing from right wing media.
You, however, seem to want to hold participants of the 94% of peaceful protests accountable for the 6% of violent protests. Meanwhile, you accuse me of trying to paint all conservatives with the Qanon brush, which I am explicitly not doing. You’ve made one totalizing statement after the other on these boards about the left, about integral, even about me personally – but seem unable/unwilling to accept any criticism about the political right whatsoever, even when I make it clear that I am criticizing a very loud and vocal minority of that party.
All you’d have to say is “Yep, we really have our share of crazies too, and shit like Trump lying about elections, Qanon, and January 6th are deeply embarrassing.”
And then I’d say “Boy howdy, tell me about it, the left has some truly nutso woke fundamentalists and edgelord ‘antifa’ folks who aren’t doing anyone any favors. It’s just mass regression all around.”
And then I’d make a joke about how we should just let the Proud Boy idiots and the Antifa idiots have their pretend civil war in the streets while we stay inside and watch Ted Lasso. (Actually I’ll probably be watching The Foundation, which starts tonight. Very exciting!)
But instead, when I make the history of Q and their absolutely batshit literalist belief system known to you, you try to dismiss it as “oh, they just don’t like the idea of child brides immigrating into the country”, ignoring the fact that these people are making actual delusional claims and circulating them among millions of people.
Democrats are literal satanic pedophiles. Adrenochrome. Extrajudicial executions. Stolen elections. “Plandemic”. Replacing politicians with clones. Shipping children in Wayfair furniture. Hillary killed Epstein. These are just some of the claims put forth by Qanon and Q adherents.
Here is a fuller list of Qanon beliefs:
HRC extradition already in motion effective yesterday with several countries in case of cross border run. Passport approved to be flagged effective 10/30 @ 12:01 am. Expect massive riots organized in defiance and others fleeing the US to occur. US M’s will conduct the operation while NG activated. Proof check: Locate a NG member and ask if activated for duty 10/30 across most major cities.
—QAnon’s first post on the /pol/ message board of 4chan, on October 28, 2017
QAnon’s first prediction was that Hillary Clinton was about to be arrested and would attempt to flee the country. This prediction failed. Other failed predictions include:
- The “Storm” would take place on November 3, 2017. There were no notable events in US politics on that day.
- The “Storm” would take place on January 20, 2021, the day of Biden’s inauguration. No coup took place and Biden was peacefully inaugurated.
- A major event involving the Department of Defense would take place on February 1, 2018. No significant event involving the Department happened that day.
- People targeted by the president would commit suicide en masse on February 10, 2018. No prominent people committed suicide that day.
- There would be a car bombing in London around February 16, 2018. There was no bombing.
- The Trump military parade would “never be forgotten”. The parade was canceled.
- The Five Eyes “won’t be around much longer”. The Five Eyes still exists as of August 2021.
- Something major would happen in Chongqing on April 10, 2018. Nothing notable happened in Chongqing that day.
- There would be a “bombshell” revelation about North Korea in May 2018. There were no notable developments.
- A “smoking gun” video of Hillary Clinton would emerge in March 2018. No video appeared.
- Multiple failed predictions that John McCain would resign from the US Senate. McCain remained in the Senate until his death in August 2018.
- Multiple failed predictions that Mark Zuckerberg would leave Facebook and flee the United States. Zuckerberg remains CEO of Facebook as of August 2021.
- Multiple failed predictions that Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey would be forced to resign. Dorsey remains CEO of Twitter as of August 2021.
- Multiple failed predictions that Pope Francis would be arrested on felony charges. Francis has not been arrested and remains Pope as of August 2021.
- Multiple failed predictions that “something big” would happen or the truth would emerge “next week”.
- Multiple failed predictions that Donald Trump would be re-inaugurated on January 20, 2021, despite losing the election. Joe Biden was inaugurated as planned on January 20.
- Donald Trump would be inaugurated on March 4, 2021, as the 19th president. This claim stems from a conspiracy theory stating that the District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 made the United States into a corporation (a theory developed by the sovereign citizen movement). Therefore, Trump would have been inaugurated as the 19th president (after Ulysses S. Grant) and the country would cease to be a corporation and once again become the country started by the Founding Fathers. March 4 is the inauguration date because the 20th Amendment changed the date to January 20, and no amendments to the U.S. Constitution since 1869 are recognized. Joe Biden remains the incumbent president of the United States, counted as the 46th.
- Donald Trump would be inaugurated again on March 20, 2021. After the failed prediction that Trump would be inaugurated on March 4, 2021, QAnon “delayed” the inauguration date to March 20, then postponed again to August 13. Biden remained president.
See also: Murder of Seth Rich conspiracy theory and Satanic ritual abuse
As well as the failed predictions, Q has posted numerous false, baseless, and unsubstantiated claims, such as:
- That the CIA installed North Korean leader Kim Jong-un as a puppet ruler.
- A February 16, 2018, false claim that U.S. representative and former Democratic National Committee chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz hired Salvadoran gang MS-13 to murder DNC staffer Seth Rich.
- A March 1, 2018, apparent suggestion that German chancellor Angela Merkel is Adolf Hitler’s granddaughter.
- A July 7, 2018, Daily Beast article noted that Q falsely claimed that “each mass shooting is a false-flag attack organized by the cabal.”
- That Obama, Hillary Clinton, George Soros, and others are planning a coup against Trump and are involved in an international child sex-trafficking ring.
- That the Mueller investigation is actually a counter-coup led by Trump, who pretended to conspire with Russia in order to hire Mueller to secretly investigate the Democrats.
- That the Rothschild family leads a satanic cult. Similar political allegations and rumors have circulated since the 1970s. Typically the allegations revolved around investigators using existing Satanic cults to lure and blackmail left-wing activists, or in the case of the Franklin child prostitution ring allegations, Satanic sexual abuse perpetrated by elite Republicans. A significant difference between the older narratives and the QAnon of today is that now elite Democrats are considered the villains instead of Republicans.