Integral Working Together on Ourselves

spirituality

#1

As part of this community, trying to define/discover a new path of spirituality we should know right from the start what Ken wrote on this subject in the Integral Age at the Leading Edge, …

“… “spirituality” is not what is meant by “spiritual” or “religious” in the typical, conventional sense. There are areas of human life that, in many ways, are “spiritual,” but they nonetheless remain untouched by the vast majority of the Great Religions now in existence—leading many people to announce that they are “spiritual but not religious”—they have spiritual insights, intuitions, and needs, but ones that are rarely if ever touched by traditional Religions. This will become much clearer as we proceed, but the type of spirituality we will be advancing in this book is much closer to the “spiritual but not religious” form than to the typical mythic‑literal form of many Religions.”

Having read through many of the topic strings here I would like to ask, is spiritual development even on our minds as members here? Some Integral questions for us to ask ourselves … as active members in this community.

How can we actually make integral progress as a small diverse group of individuals here?

Can we lead by example how to implement honest integral communication with one another?

How can you or I push ourselves as individuals to achieve a better more positive integral outcome here?

Do we want to become more spiritually integral thinkers and doers to actually effectuate positive changes to our divisive world?

Perhaps we can try starting right here in this diverse community to do something integral?

In harmony with the integral life definition to work together consciously to align the deepest and fullest scope of reality as it is known to each one of us here. Can we work collectively the following items?

  1. Can we define a list of what positives we could all agree to as individuals?
  2. As a group write a concise sentence to encapsulate our ideals as individuals?
  3. Get agreement on a one sentence definition for the following integral ideas?

What does it mean to be objective? What does it mean to be integral? What does it mean to be inclusive? What does it mean to be … heard, kind, respectful, open-minded, fair, reasonable, optimistic, accepting, welcoming, friendly, positive, courageous, supportive, etc, etc.

Perhaps after completing this integral work we can then create a chart of the exact opposites? From this we could then examine our own comments with reverse polarity to get a fresh honest look at ourselves from a contrasting read.

Here are three examples of this …

  1. “It’s really tiresome to listen to people who’s primary world view is…”
    "It’s really energizing to listen to people who’s primary world view is … "
  2. “To stop political bickering I suggest a willingness to embrace others.”
    “To start political bickering I suggest being unwilling to embrace others.”
  3. “Eric does an excellent job at covering multiple viewpoints.”
    “Eric does a horrible job at covering multiple viewpoints.”

Performing this type of self-analysis we can do spiritual work on ourselves to wake-up and grow-up in harmony with our ideal definitions. So that we can extend more intensive efforts fixing ourselves rather than trying to change others.

This is my goal and objective and I am pretty confident Ken Wilber shares it too. That we help individuals explore their inner-selves, their inner-world, their inner observations, their inner feelings, sensitivities, biases, fears, goals and objectives, etc … by working on our own inner spiritual territory fixing ourselves we bring positive changes to ourselves and to the collective in the process.

What do you think?


#2

Interesting thoughts Mr. @excecutive. What I think I see today and particularly with much of the integral community is a desire/hunger for spirituality. But the “but” is a disdain for the practices that most of humanity has used for millennia to experience their spirituality. These are the very same spiritual practices that have been “delivering the goods” with varying levels of efficacy. Delivering experiences such as simple as relief from anxiety, sense of belongingness, mystical experiences, and perhaps even growth up the spiritual spiral.
The beautiful thing about living in Western society is you can choose your Spiritual Practice(s) from a vast array of options. I think it a tough proposition to supplant long standing spiritual practices. It might be more effective to look to augment or enhance prevalent spiritual practices.
Just some pre-coffee morning ramblings :slight_smile:


#3

As referenced above the spirituality we reference here is “spiritual but not religious” … Accessing the spiritual dimensions within are always unique to the individual.

The “integral spiritually” will always enhance and integrate with any religious, mystical, holistic, meditative, drug induced, sexually produced or idol worshiping practices that have all been connected to spiritual effects on individuals.

“Integral spirituality” is a discovery process that is always unique to each individual. These discoveries validate and integrate all these things into a holistic whole.

I so wish this spirituality were among the main topics discussed here. Perhaps the response here so far suggests otherwise? Thanks for your comment @FermentedAgave :slight_smile:


#4

I’m not sure I can have a semantics debate given my lack of knowledge (perhaps desire?), but I’ll keep typing. :slight_smile:
I see the Spiritual Experience as that which we feel and “know”, with intellect not a requirement.
I see a Spiritual “Practice” as the way in which we more reliably, effectively have Spiritual experiences and Spiritual Growth.
I see Religions as structured Spiritual Practices to enable spiritual experiences and spiritual growth.
I guess I’m not seeing the big difference between Integral Spirituality and the other Spiritual Practices that have M’s or B’s of practitioners. While I’m all in on decomposition and reformulation, I don’t know that we all need (extreme example) to disavow our Religions, become Atheists (non-Theists), then become transformed Integral Spiritualists (born again if you will).

Perhaps what where I’m leading to in your format might be:

  • It’s really tiresome to listen to Integralists nitpick Religions, yet try to concoct their own “Spiritual Practice”.
  • It’s very energizing to converse with Integralists looking to make sense of Spirituality using Integral Theory.

:slight_smile:


#5

Religion is an excellent way to have a spiritual experience … but religion is not a requirement. The extreme references I shared was to encapsulate the many known and seemly strange practices that fellow humans use to have spiritual experiences.

To reflect your concerns, which I completely understand coming for a religious back-ground myself, a new mirrored rewrite might look like.

  • It’s really tiresome to listen to Religious people tie spiritual experiences to believing in God.
  • It’s very energizing to integrate the perceptions of religious people to make sense of spirituality.

I would also put this same integral idea across all the political ideologies as well. As crazy and diverse as we find them. Recognizing all that exist, allowing all to believe as they wish and accommodating all these diverse experiences and perceptions into one holistic understanding. Call it an integral perspective in understanding.

Additionally, by accommodating all these contradictory concepts internally into one whole spiritually sound understanding we experience an integral life.

Thanks for your contribution on this topic @FermentedAgave :slight_smile: