That was my sentiments to your last posts lol. Hopefully this isn’t just because we thoroughly agree but I feel like you bring to light things that are more unconscious for me. I get that experience on all the calls of late.
Conservatism sexy again, what an ironic zeitgeist but that’s bang on. And with a deeper view to conservatism, conservatism that runs right back to the garden of Eden and lobsters lol. And yes, he’s done what Jung did for tribal magic beliefs and psychology but to blue. Although I believe Jung also commented on Christianity, and times when it comes to spirit and insight, Peterson is a poor man’s Jung lol. Never hear Jung weasle word about god, always loved in an intervew when he said ‘I don’t believe in god, I know he exists.’
And yes there is something special about blue. Even in terms of archetypes, and the subtle body, we don’t know much about the actual reality or affect of this. And in my experience, going in to theta or dream states, belieiving that one one sees or experience’s is real, seems to be a mandatory part of going deeper. Like Santa isn’t literally real, and yet has there not been a subtle body and cultural groove made of centuries of the human psyche imagining and engaging in such ritual. It often seems a bit, maybe Heidi could comment on this I remember you saying about having an aversion to Buddhism in your interview with Ryan, great interview btw :).That there is this big bias to Buddhism. Integral has even done some stuff on Christianity, and yet it was Peterson that seriously turned me on to it. I went from being completely divorced from my thousand year old cultural/ religious roots to being able to feel the depth from every page of the bible. Also it was the relationship with the divine, specifically human that felt so much more potent to me personally, than Buddhism. Speaking more to emotional pain, a deeply earthly experience, and a stronger force for motivation and healing than meditating on the causal. Not to knock buddhism.
I’m not sure the mythic should be gotten around really. There is a literalness to truth that can be far more powerful and beautiful than getting nuanced. There is such a thing it seems to me as right and wrong, good and evil, earthly and spiritual, man and woman. The fact we are aware it gets very complex and needs to be endlessly debated doesn’t get away from that truth, and sometimes it can be more true. LIke green making everything wish washy when a dude just mugged a lady lol. I actually think, at times Trump uses this really well, course it depends if he’s right or in ego mode. But getting in to the nitty gritty watering away the facts, rather than simply pointing out bias media as simply as ‘fake news’, is kind of awesome. And
I agree with that, I have my own integral confirmation bias. Have noticed a shame/ pride about my own level of development. Shame of going lower, and arrogance and at other times shame about being higher. And when in the latter, I tend to make integral very cookie cutter, rather than having to wade in with the lower levels, lines, and complexity. I think the intent needs to be one of the focus. Do we box Peterson to feel superior? To keep our cosy integral community safe? Or to engage with him, include what he has to say, and his followers for that matter, and try to put it in it’s right place. Also you bring up wonderful examples. Integral trump, I’ve heard Ken even comment integral Obama and even Clinton! The latter, Bill or Hilary for the life of me cannot understand. Perhaps this is intellectual ivory tower also, that evidence about the clinton foundation, or serious sexual abuse is somehow limited to only Alex Jones types in conspiracy theory land is my hunch. Perhaps why the recent Salzman video on aliens feels refreshing.
I’d like to see you Ryan grill him on those issues lol. Both I think it would be fruitful, expand both your minds but to watch him not wiggle out of it. And yeah lol, perhaps you need to make that video ;). I think we should be less high and mighty though. Could probably do a good red youtube video. Perhaps tie him up, eyes peeled like in Clockwork orange and read him a few integral books, if there is no psychosomatic activation we can tell him he needs to clean his room more.