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Until we can have an securely established, vibrant, and functional organization like the United Nations, I don’t think integral can take off. Sometimes it is mindboggling to me that in so short amount of time, say from the English Civil War, religious reformation, and Glorious Revolution chronicled philosophically by Thomas Hobbes at the war’s darkest moments to John Locke in the more optimistic time of the ascension of William and Mary, liberality was created as a political reality in the United States Constitution. Lincoln made the Declaration of Independence the sine qua non of the US experience in the Gettysburg Address. Every person has inalienable rights regardless of whatever temporal social contract establishing a government is in place. For thousands of years, leadership had some special privilege, usually conferred by a supernatural power, to clam absolute power. However, in less than two hundred years consciousness was expanded so that a country was designed proclaiming that every adult individual (ultimately through amendments) was seen as being the center of how a government operated.
The actions of George W. Bush and Donald Trump showed how weak the UN is (at least the UN delegates got to laugh at Trump when he made a speech there, a risk W. would never have taken). I give credit to Clinton for trying to use the UN as “peace keepers” during the Eastern European conflicts.
There can’t be a universally integral global political organization until there are enough people around the world who have reached an integral level to see this as the next step in conscious evolution. I don’t believe there could have been a development of Green consciousness if an Orange constitution had not been put in place. My take away is Green really could contribute, using the power of integral leaders around the world to build a unique and new way of settling international crises. People born into a world like this would take it for granted that eligible nation states are not unique but are equally valued as all others.
At this point in my integral odyssey, a heathy Green attitude means to me that when one is examining the past and present, one needs to include the context of how people, places, and things are created. For example, reading philosophy or spiritual texts in a vacuum without understanding the social context of the person/people producing the work does not give a full understanding of underlying motives and influences of the work. Green is simply another piece of knowledge crucial to a greater comprehensive understanding. Blaming people who wrote in the past for not meeting current societal norms and values is unfair and untrue.
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I think an integral person or group is the cause, not an effect. Integral affects those around it, which is one reason why it is a separate tier from tier 1. A tier 1 person or group has all kinds of reasons (excuses) why their progress is blocked. Culture, government, economy, genetics, whatever.
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Hi, yes absolutely agree. We need an Integral UN with second tier and third tier leadership. That would be the final steps to securing an Integral world. So what we should do is work backwards from that as well as forward from each of us as individuals and then as a community and movement. I propose that first we need a UBI; Universal Basic Income because we need to survival long enough to come up with and execute on Integral measures. Currently working on establishing this with a holding company of purchased businesses.
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Could you explain what you are doing with the holding company? It sounds very interesting. UBI should be a basic human right but at this time, unfortunately, it is too “far out” for most people in the US. I don’t have the data to prove it but I could imagine a major political leader of more developed countries proposing it. On the other hand, a country without a king or hereditary aristocracy sounded outlandish in the 1700s which is a relative blink of the eye in recorded history.
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Agreed, but my point is how I rationally redirected myself in the Green structure toward a wholellistic ideal or it will only be deconstructive rather than a bridge to integral. It is a technique I learned studying history. Good historians use context as part of their understanding. How does one move to integral without making sense of Green’s unifying points rather than it’s blocks? Isn’t the same for all structural movement?
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Hi, sure.
Around 2010 I came across the possibility of buying online businesses;
Almost started on it but got off track. Planning to go back to it now and start buying and putting them into a non profit and try to start creating a UBI, possibly starting with the Integral community so we can survive in the short term while brainstorming long term ones.
Also started reading Scott Santens work and sense that this will be a key issue.
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Yes, well Green’s path is generally about the codependency of being compassionate for others and ignoring yourself. As one starts to notice this, integrating Orange, the awareness of the quadrants starts to anchor the focus. This is true for groups as well.
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I think that’s very commendable of you Namal. I have a friend or as much as a friend he can be a friend to a man who is about 60. He opened up to me to say that he would feel like his whole life would be a failure if his company goes down. It’s a big company that took a hit for the first time during the initial Covid period. He can’t see that his family life is crumbling all around him as his focus is so limited and shame based. Orange stage I would guess, maybe with some red thrown in for a little spice. What your doing is generative and motivated by opening up fresh approaches and ideas that others can emulate. Best wishes to you.
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Yeah I think it was inevitable that I found myself in the Green zone being a professional counselor for fithteen years. I favored Carl Rogers person centered style over CBT which is the standard for insurance companies. I know something I read about C. G. Jung was embedded in me a long time ago.
Jung had a patient who was schizophrenic. He said he had walked on the moon. Jung accepted this as the man’s reality (which it was) in order to try to discern material that could help the guy. Being a good counselor necessitates having to put one’s own ego and opinions aside (as much as possible) to be a blank slate. This way the person would project their shadow material onto me because I became like a canvas that they could finally express their most guarded secrets and subconscious images. So I guess what I am saying is context is everything in being an effective counselor and accepting people where they are at. I finally realized that I was burned out and instead of hanging on to a profession that became toxic for me, I moved on. I don’t know if this makes sense but it does to me.
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Thank you. I’m just trying to connect dots with resources I found and now with integral.
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