First of all, I appreciate Ken, Robb and everyone who develop and maintain this ILP site and community. I recently found that this ILP site contains a lot more than I expected before, and I am pleased to put my long-time question here.
I am trying to be more integral and to the way to the Integral insight. Yet, I am mostly on the way in Waking Up path. What I am wondering about is “states” in “Waking Up” path based on the terminologies in “Integral Meditation.” From the book and other books by Ken, the states are listed as gross, subtle, causal, turiya(Witness or I-I) and turiyatita(Non-dual or Unity Consciousness.) in this order. And in my understanding (that coulb be wrong,) the next state requires the previous state, up to turiyatita, and then, turiyatita can be shared by any previous 4 states. Here go my questions.
If I start the meditation with neti, neti process, I feel like I skipped the previous 2 states - subtle and causal. Is it because I am not enough sensitive to subtle and causal states? So actually do I go through the 2 states, even within a second? FYI, I am a 10+ year meditator with various traditions (though I have a long way to go…)
When I reach the turiyatita ( I mean a glimpse of it…) the One Taste seems to be gross and non-dual. But I could not find any descriptions about experience of subtle + non-dual and causal + non-dual from any books of Ken, or I may have missed it. Can anyone give any advice or share experience?
To me, Ken’s books and explanation on spectrum and states have been the clearest ones, but I could not get any appropriate answers from other teachers because each has their own structure of spectrum and states.
P.S. For clarification, my questions is not asking in terms of state-stage or center of gravity (though any opinions in this regard are completely fine.) I am asking about the meditative experience during the regular meditation session or daily-life post meditation.