The different shades of the same color really throws me off whenever I look at this graphic 
Use consistent hexcodes, people!
And hexcodes are what?
The six-character codes used for colors in graphic design. White is #ffffff, and black is #000000, for example.
Got it. And I do see what you mean about the different shades…this chart was the quickest I could find and you probably know where it’s from.
Yeah, I was just looking for an opportunity to complain. I’m in a playful but somewhat dour mood tonight, don’t mind me LOL
But I do mind you, you playfully dour complainer, and seriously, if you have a better graphic that is more pleasing to your color palate, post it and I’ll gladly withdraw mine. Maybe I was a little too quick-on-the-draw in ‘being helpful.’
I’m still rolling up my Integral Examples list. Ray rolled a couple.
Ken provided some kids 3 authors he would take “if only one book on an island” including Plutonious (neo platonism), Sriramamarihashi (direct access to Zen states by reading).
Who else are the exemplary and accessible Teal/Turquoise examples?
Plotinus
Sri Ramana Maharshi
Note that Ken was not asked to list “teal/turquoise” examples, he was asked about desert island books. Ramana, for example, was not chosen as an example of high stage development, but rather as an example of advanced spiritual state realization/transmission.
Yeah, on a desert Island I probably wouldn’t even bring 1 Integral Author, lol. My top three book choices would be edible desert Island plants, boat building and ocean navigation. 
Any recommendations for Integral authors to read, listen too?
A hollowed out book filled with a sat phone and fishing tackle, book of matches, and a copy SES.
Thanks a lot! I wasn’t aware of the differences. I thought Integral corresponds to Yellow in spiral dynamics…
Might be worthwhile to review definitions for the terms being bandied about, as it’s very easy for us to let our language languish into our own meanings.
And yes, I’m smiling when I see JBP’s talks map directly into each of these definitions. 
Green Altitude (Worldcentric, Postmodern/Pluralistic) (linked)
The Green altitude began roughly 150 years ago, though it came into its fullest expression during the cultural revolution of the 1960s. Green worldviews are marked by pluralism, or the ability to see that there are multiple ways of seeing reality. If orange sees universal truths (“All men are created equal”), green sees multiple universal truths—different universals for different cultures. Green ethics continue, and radically broaden, the movement to embrace all people. A green statement might read, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all people are created equal, regardless of race, gender, class….” Green ethics have given birth to the civil rights, feminist, and gay rights movements, as well as environmentalism.
The green worldview’s multiple perspectives give it room for greater compassion, idealism, and involvement, in its healthy form. Such qualities are seen by organizations such as the Sierra Club, Amnesty International, Union of Concerned Scientists, and Doctors Without Borders. In its unhealthy form green worldviews can lead to extreme relativism, where all beliefs are seen as relative and equally true, which can in turn lead to the nihilism, narcissism, irony, and meaninglessness exhibited by many of today’s intellectuals, academics, and trend-setters
Teal Altitude (Worldcentric to Kosmocentric, Integral) (linked)
The Teal Altitude marks the beginning of an integral worldview, where pluralism and relativism are transcended and included into a more systematic whole. The transition from green to teal is also known as the transition from “1st-tier” values to “2nd-tier” values — the most immediate difference being the fact that each “1st-tier” value thinks it is the only truly correct value, while “2nd-tier” values recognize the importance of all preceding stages of development. Thus, the teal worldview honors the insights of the green worldview, but places it into a larger context that allows for healthy hierarchies, and healthy value distinctions.
Perhaps most important, a teal worldview begins to see the process of development itself, acknowledging that each one of the previous stages (magenta through green) has an important role to play in the human experience. Teal consciousness sees that each of the previous stages reveals an important truth, and pulls them all together and integrates them without trying to change them to “be more like me,” and without resorting to extreme cultural relativism (“all are equal”). Teal worldviews do more than just see all points of view (that’s a green worldview)—it can see and honor them, but also critically evaluate them.
Well, you’re sort of right. What is marked as Teal Holistic in the Integral chart is the first stage of Integral (and does correspond to SD’s Yellow), with Turquoise being the second stage of Integral.
Teal worldviews do more than just see all points of view (that’s a green worldview)—it can see and honor them, but also critically evaluate them.
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So yes - both are required. Not one or the other. So with me, for example - it is necessary to both admore and criticize people and groups according to the merits of specific things.
I would also add that the criticism has to come from a place of emotional freedom, not from reacting to emotions. This is even more an alarm bell when people claim to be “visciously attacked” as the reason why they are attacking others instead of criticising them with an appropriate level of emotion. This is even more the case when we see the tendency to exaggerate an argument to make a point (a shadow of Orange).
Given we are in the Peterson thread, I will share a few of my observations on the good Dr.
- he critiques anything and everything, in conjuction with highly accomplished domain experts - from mushrooms for Psych transformation to Islam to Christianity of all flavors to atheism to to Budhism to Western Civ to Marxism to economics to virology to history and on and on. Very multi-domain to very deep levels.
In my estimation the Leftist/Integralist disconnect with Peterson are his conclusions, not so much on altitude or regression.
I’ll just point out that your estimation is obviously skewed and much like JP, you are a perpetual debate looking for people and groups to be against. Of course you see this as “Deep Levels” because you share some of the same faults as him.
There are LOTS of content creators who do the same thing as him with far greater skill and less personal drama constantly interjecting into their discussions. Hundreds of them. In a 2 hour speech or interview on a given topic he is almost guaranteed to spend a considerable amount of time on his personal drama with the left, lol. Feminists wrote things that hurt his feelings, lol.
Lets take someone simple like Joe Rogan. Has he been attacked by feminists? Yeah, probably. I’m sure he has. Do we have to sit and listen about him crying about it every single interview? No. lol. He’s not scarred or traumatized just because some feminists said something about him. I could name others as well. Actually, JP is kind of a baby (though a rude word that begins with P comes to mind). That’s pretty much why I don’t listen to him anymore - I can’t stand grown men crying about how they are emotionally scarred by a few bad words, lol. Holy cow, talk about sheltered life in an Ivory tower. oooohhh … someone wrote some negative opinions in an academic paper about him. What a vicious attack … lol
Bit of truth here on Peterson being a bit emotionally. Shows his humanity or that he’s a defective?
Only comparable creators I know of would be Lex Fridman (excellent) and perhaps Tim Ferris (don’t care for). Who are all these other LOTS you are thinking of?