I would second Joe Rogan and add Jordan Greenhall…a systems thinker who a lot of integral folks, including myself, are into…he is putting out some great work toward giving a broader and deeper map of what is happening in the world right now. I would also add his partner in transformation over at the Neurohacker Collective, Daniel Schmachtenberger, who I have actually heard use some solid integral memes. In terms of Jordan Peterson, I think he is not quite ready for integral prime time yet…though it you follow the IDW dialogues he has been having with the IDW gang he is evolving toward a point where I think he will be ready to actually be open to it. That said, I think Bret or Eric Weinstein of that collective would be cool to have…they appear more ready for a deep dive with integral.
My dream guest would be Thomas Hübl. I’m participating in his current six-month „Mystical Principles“ online course. I really didn’t expect that much from it. But although it ends in November, I can already say that this course is definitely in the Top 5 of the best things that happened to me in my life so far. I’m sure an interview with Thomas Hübl would be interesting for a lot of IL members as he and his work are deeply integral.
I remember re-reading KSR’s Mars trilogy (very highly recommended!) quite a while ago and being struck by how integral his thinking is. I kept reading quotes to Liz (my wife–who I met on Integral Naked back in the day) to make the case that he’s thinking at an integral altitude. And then I came to the part where a character defines the term “holon”…
Alex Steffen is “One of the world’s leading voices on sustainability and the future of the planet,” formerly ran the awesome website Worldchanging.com (sadly now defunct), and is definitely bald enough to talk to Ken Wilber.
I would really be interested in seeing a conversation with Brene Brown.
She’s written about the recent increases in tribalism:
“The world feels high lonesome and heartbroken to me right now. We’ve sorted ourselves into factions based on our politics and ideology. We’ve turned away from one another and toward blame and rage. We’re lonely and untethered. And scared. So damn scared.”
A lot of her work seems to revolve around cultivating healthy green values… but there are hints of integral flavor in how it’s presented.
“A wild heart is awake to the pain in the world, but does not diminish its own pain. A wild heart can beat with gratitude and lean into pure joy without denying the struggle in the world. We hold that tension with the spirit of the wilderness. It’s not always easy or comfortable - sometimes we struggle with the weight of the pull - but what makes it possible is a front made of love and back built of courage.”
I’d like to see where her research and writing goes if she gets bit by the integral bug. Plus I think it would make for an awesome conversation!
Alain de Botton
I never heard him talk about spirituality, but he is shining light on so many beeings who I guess have been 2nd tier at least (Plato, Lao Tzu, Thomas Aquinas, Goethe, Virginia Woolf, James Joyce, …) RyanHawaiin estimated his vision in another conversation (Vision Casting) to be of orange and green altitude. So I would like to find out where he is at (I’m not able to estimate that myself as I’m quite new to the KW terminology and differentiations regarding the altitudes). I really would like to know how he is bringing the yellow into his work. And if he is not in the integral altitude, then it would be interesting to hear what has he to say about the integral altitude and whether he can imagine himself to incorporate that into his idea of a so called “atheism 2.0”.
And even if he is not at integral level, I still think he has a lot to say about how to make an “institution” be seen and accepted and valued, and that exchange itself would already be fantastic
My dream guest for Integral Life is Christine Caldwell.
Christine is the founder and former director of the Somatic Counseling Program at Naropa University in Boulder where she taught coursework in somatic counseling theory and skills, clinical neuroscience, research, and diversity issues. Christine wrote the book “Getting our bodies back” and after reading her book last year, I became a student of the moving-cycle training she offers. The training showed me the intelligence of my / our body. I would love her as a guest in Integral Life as I expect that the articulation of her vision and experiences about what our bodies are about will change how we think about ourselves which I belief is a key factor in the answer to the crisis we face at this time. Her new upcoming book is titled “Bodyfulness”.
Steven Pinker. I have just finished reading his book, Enlightenment Now: The Case for Reason, Science, Humanity and Progress. It is an excellent book. Even though it extols Classic Orange Enlightenment Values, Pinker has an encyclopaedic, synthesising, integrating mind. It is probably the best book I have read since Sex, Ecology, Spirituality. An exhilarating read, even though he skews too much towards positive data, with not enough of the negative global trends. He is a very clear and rational thinker and speaker, quite charismatic in his own way.
3 more names i’d throw in:
- Yuval Noah Harari - His 3 books Sapiens , Homo Deus, and 21 Lessons for the 21st century are all wonderful reads for any student of IT, as they not only cover history and the future of man from multiple perspectives, but Yuval himself is an avid meditator and brings his contemplative, Buddhist perspective to enlighten his writings.
- Amit Goswami - the quantum physicist who brings the quantum perspective to illuminate different fields, most notably evolution in his book Creative Evolution. I had the pleasure of learning from him in college, as he was a visiting professor to my school. Very smart guy.
- Charles Eisenstein - the economist and ecological writer who has interesting insights bearing on the intersection between spirituality, economics/money, and ecology. IMO he is a “green re-enchanter” but has some interesting things to say about such topics that could contribute to an Integral economics.
A bonus name would be Francis Fukuyama - who’s Weberian style of political sociology is strongly consonant with spiral dynamics, and has really helped me gain a deeper understanding of developmental theory, especially as it pertains to historical political and cultural developments. His books Trust, Origins of Political Order, and Political Order and Political Decay are enlightening reads to anyone looking to expand their understanding of spiral dynamics/altitudes (i.e. Chinese confucian Amber is very different from Japanese Amber).
#1 Dr. Jack Kruse
#2 I second the vote for Charles Eisenstein