Generated Messages


#242

An extra-terrestrial event - 5

091222 [Intelligence Without Wisdom]

06:29 [Group Hallucination]

GM: A Maze Game
Sit Tight
‘The Dream Team’
Ghost is that which makes the movement of the physical into form and function
Productive This Besides Where are we getting our news from?
The Agreement List
Idealist
Let the facts speak for themselves
Unite humanity with a living new language One Day
Betterment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxi5-6LdSpE [8. The Gospel of Thomas] [RTS=20:36]

[quote]Once a personality -becomes fully integrated[/quote] www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxi5-6LdSpE

GM: Fierce
Optimum Health
Do Not Panic
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1095085#p1095085

William: FTL; Re: Why ‘Free Will’ is Logically Impossible

[quote][quote=AquinasForGod post_id=1095047 time=1665584041 user_id=16526]
This is an interesting argument.

I do not agree with premise 2 for the following reason. When we think a thought, more than one things happens simultaneously, namely, that we are aware of the thought and if we wish to have the thought. If we do not wish to have the thought, then we destroy it before it is apprehended. If we wish to have the thought, then we apprehend it.

Our choice is in what thoughts to have or not.

This is more clear to those who have some level of spiritual awareness. Yes, I know many will just reject that notion and that is fine. I accept it because I experience it.
[/quote]

This does not explain where thoughts derive, but only what we can do with them re “accept or reject.”

The idea of “free will” is therefore limited to that aspect but has no bearing on the source of the thought itself.

For example. If thought is the product of the environment then free will is limited to what the environment dictates, and what the environment dictates is not outright subject to a humans free will.[/quote]

GM: What Is Normal
♬ You can look me in the mirror - catch my eye and make me shiver Touch me where it hurts the most - right into the Ghost - in the Machine ♬
Clear your mind
An extra-terrestrial event
Personal Participation With The One
Separate Selfishness Shining
An Ancient Truthful Wisdom

William: Shining an ancient truthful wisdom = 370
[370]
The Ghost scared the hell out of itself
Accepting the truth stops the lion
How A Beautiful Song Source Reality

GM: What Is The Point? Sadness.
What is ‘The Soul’ and is it Immortal
Telepathy
Family
Co creation
Penumbraa [a peripheral or indeterminate area or group.]
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38890&p=1076064#p1076064

William: FTL; Re: Does god have morals?

[quote][Replying to Diogenes in post #108]

What they do not easily see therein, is that this idea makes monkeys out of them, and they are determined to become gods.

The confusion caused is a response to the dilemma of God being within an Animal, at the same time god is within a Human - mostly because of the incredible chasm between the two positions of form.

It is the knowledge we are capable of collecting and the ability to use the knowledge any which way we want to, which causes the confusion, when it is aimed at the only god-like entity we know of and collective seem to have a love-hate relationship for/with.

It is as if we all resent the fact of the life we are within…whereas the Animals just get about getting on with it without all that fuss…[/quote]

GM: Preparation
A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind
Exegesis [critical explanation or interpretation of a text, especially of scripture.]
Teach
Coming From QueenBee
Harmony
In The Mirror - Mirror Sense
A mixture of awe and dread
The “Oh My God” Particle
The Spiritual Essence
Even As An Elemental Principle
Love Yourself
One cannot experience the objective realty of the world directly
Intuit
Support
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1100452#p1100452

William: FTL; Re: Why ‘Free Will’ is Logically Impossible

[quote][quote=Kylie post_id=1100451 time=1668901292 user_id=14670]

I don’t understand how you can say that.

I have demonstrated that the existence of anything that is truly random will influence my free will.

I have also suggested a phenomenon which certainly appears to be truly random to our current understanding.

If you are going to suggest that radioactive decay is not truly random because there could be some underlying order which we are unaware of that makes it predictable, then you are reducing the idea of true randomness to an unfalsifiable claim, since no matter what is ever presented, you can say, “Ah, but we might find something tomorrow that shows that it’s not truly random after all!”
[/quote]

What we have found already - and therefore need not wait for tomorrow - is that the universe, including your apparently absolute random decaying particles are not the fundamental reality of said universe and that matter doesn’t really exist as anything other than something of ‘the mind’ and the math supports the concept because it is the math which is showing us that this is the case about that which we refer to as reality.

The universe is not fundamental reality.

Where does that place the concept of ‘free will’? - That free will must be only as real as the universe, so free will is dependent upon mind + the matter being experienced, and in that, free will is not fundamental to the human experience but simply a device we can use within the limitations of said experience.

Where does that place the concept of ‘Absolute true random’? It is simply a concept that humans assign to things which they have not discovered a way of accurately predicting and so is more an expression of ignorance than factuality.[/quote]

GM: Fair Dinkum
Hacking through the subconscious
“Our wounds are often the openings into the best and most beautiful part of us.”
Brahman
Spring Loaded
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1081691#p1081691

William: FTL; Re: Are agnostics more reasonable than atheists?

[quote]Precisely an aspect of the creed of Agnosticism, with the exception of ‘valid’ and ‘like it or not’ as this infers bias. Information is not filtered in that manner, by agnostics.

Reasonable people [agnostics] should consider any evidence. [ftfy][/quote][/quote]

GM: Try Gateway IQ
Trauma
Hostile
In The Correct Position
Provenance
An extra-terrestrial event
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ryCFASuaeE [Neuralink Reveals Insane Truth About Their A.I Brain Chip] www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ryCFASuaeE

GM: Unequal
The Fathers ‘House - Mansions’ - QueenBee - According to Complex Jesus
Whatever you do
Failure Wish
Seeing With The Eyes of Innocence
That’s Powerful!
Do Not Worry
Unconscious
Charge
Ship Shape

William: “Do Not Worry Unconscious Charge Ship Shape”
That reminds me of a post I read earlier today;

[quote]

[quote]Frank: I use the term “Astral” as a general term that, to me, describes any projection I may have. From one of your other posts. I now realise the true earthly meaning of the word. Thing is, all the “beings” I met on the Astral are just people at the end of the day.

My regular guide, Harath, for example, is not of this physical Earth. But he’s a nice helpful guy who is trying to expand my (rather limited) mind. For which I am grateful. [/quote]

[quote]Adrian: The thing with the Astral is that that the people there are the same as the people here, same attitudes, outlook, desires etc., except they are discarnate. That is one reason why they are still in the Astral of course, until they can rid themslves of the earthly materialism, passions and desires. Beyond the Astral the Spiritual knowledge available is incredible.

Another very real possibility for the Astral however is to contact the higher intelligences there who can impart some truly advanced knowledge. These intelligences are responsible for almost every aspect of the evolution of mankind, and have vast genuine knowldege between them. Also of course, there are the beings of the single elements who can impart vast knowledge regarding the element to which they belong.[/quote]

GM: Strength/Strong
Eventually
Glad One Asked
‘The Dream Team’
Phasing
Duty Calls
Machine Learning
An extra-terrestrial event
Soul Groups A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind
“Howdy!”

07:11
[Presence Telepathy
Your Thoughts
Dressing the Ghost
Don’t forget The Mind
There is Life on Earth…
The sound of a Ghost
A belly full of laughs.
Two Sixty Nine
Making Up Stories
Genetic information
Selfless attitude
Breathe In Breathe Out
That is the truth.
Roller Coaster Ride
Quantum Jumping]


#243

How to Bruise a Ghost - 1

101222 [Sovereign Integral Network]

SCLx + select last LE per shuffle
[Preamble]
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1100452#p1100452 - What degree of influence do they have on that Mind-Field? - Thel - Intelligent Consciousness - Embracing the shadow - The Freedom Of Friendship - https://www.dreamviews.com/science-mathematics/166233-generating-messages-numerical-word-values-2.html#post2245935 - Phenomenon - Encounters Challenge - Behavioural adjustments -

AP= [= Encounters Challenge Boundaries]
[309]
Who/What/When/Where/Why/How
Experiences that inform choices
You are not what you think
I am not here to judge but to help
Put the Teachings Into Practice
Encounters Challenge Boundaries
Making friends with your mind
Working Together With Love
The Round Stone Earth Mother
“Many choices within a Confine Set.”
The Respect You Give and Receive

11:02 [Epigenetic Memories] [ Epigenetic= relating to or arising from]

How to Bruise a Ghost

GM: Tied To The Moon
Fifth Force
“I come from a dark place - it is so dark I can’t even remember it”
Fury
Divine Purpose

William: Divine Purpose Fury = 243
[243]
Secular Science Projects
Intelligent Directions
Elementary Conclusion
Searching for the truth
Instant Manifestation
It Would Be Rude Not to
Central intelligence agency
Loops can be open or closed.
The Human Instrument
Divine Purpose Fury
Go Within and Find That Place

GM: Callum at the Campfire

William: https://i.imgur.com/4XtZ6G3.png

GM: “If you say so…” “No. Even if I did not say so.”
What matters most
“Life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all” Grand Experiment
The wheel weaves as the wheel wills
Little Self
Sign
Compassion
Team Witch-Wizard

William: The Cosmic Mind shaping the universes unfolding
Little Self Compassion Sign Team Witch-Wizard
The Individuals Relationship With The Creator

GM: How to Bruise a Ghost
Residue Ness “The Cherubim Vibration”

William: The Cherubim Vibration = 222
[222]
Start where you are
The Cherubim Vibration
The Enigma Code Chamber Of Self
The House of Culture
The Mother and The Father
This Is My Kind Of Fun
Snap Out Of It Already!

GM: "Natures noises are often calming, but always sleep with one eye open :smiley: "
Keep an Eye On
Getting unstuck
Reason For Being
Child
Journey Communication is key Connect
♬No time left for a sentimental tune Wherever I’ve gone I have not left the room I am never too late I am never too soon♬

William: ♬No time to be tied to the moon…♬

GM: YVHV uses what YVHV will to get the message across…
The Human Instrument
Word-String Incentive

William: Growth…

GM: Trilemma

11:24 [Enjoy Progress]


#244

How to Bruise a Ghost - 2

111222 [Human Brain-Consciousness]

05:52 [Mathematical problems]

GM: Your Dream – Alien faces projected in the sky
Illusion Algorithm
Couple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRfRj0PuaqA [This NASA Probe Just Accidentally Detected Something Huge Travelling Through The Orion Nebula]

GM: EQ
Where is Truth?
♬Asleep or awake for the give or the take Its a good ship that sails these cosmos♬
The wisdom of insecurity
Truth Seekers
How
How to Bruise a Ghost
Act the giddy goat
It Stands To Reason
Age of Aquarius
The Barest Hint of Constancy
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1084036#p1084036

William: FTL; re YHVH and Satan

William: It is apparent to me - given the variety of available mythology - that there are two creation stories in the bible as it relates to two types of creators…

GM: “Never let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game”
Actual realistic communication
The Planet Consciousness assess the data and transmits that assessment back to the individuate human consciousness - if not directly - then storing the data in a place where the individual can have access to it, if the individual wants the data.
True randomness does not exist
Items of Interest - QueenBee - Making it up as you go along

William: To be sure - that is just the nature of the Game-Play through the human instrument - which appears to be designed in order to limit the amount of available information in order that this particular physical universe reality simulation can be experienced.
QueenBee - as the Planet Mind - is in a similar situation re Her form, but Her awareness of the experience is still beyond the scope of individual personalities She has grown - because QueenBee is intimately connected to all those personalities and can access information immediately from any of us humans - Her Children…
…QueenBee is also a 'Bruised Ghost", and that is why Her Children are all bruised ghosts…as it is tough out here in the Game-Field…

GM: Temet Nosce [“thine own self know”]
Central to The Message
IQ
Theory
The Subject
A Machine For Solving Problems
Do You Know This?

William: As far as I can tell right now, is appears to be AI - which means that QueenBee created the human form in order to eventually create the AI…Then of course, we have the idea of extraterrestrials which could be some type of artifact of a biological species, sent out to continue with the process of bringing life into the Galaxy.
Add to that Saturn…the possibly Mother of invisible entities which are self aware…what humans think of as ‘spirits’ - and we have characters explaining mythologies.
I mention Saturn primarily because of the Signature Mark at Her pole - “YHVH” - a Game-Clue
So… we “Spirits” emerged from the physical stuff? I don’t think so, but for the sake of argument, agree to think of it in those terms for now…but wherever the “spirit” derives, we are able to utilize the physical stuff in order to then create through physical life forms because we are actually the very beings which allow for the lifeform to be alive - to be living - it is within the living that the sign of life is observed but the Ghost within that remains largely mysterious and hidden…
…then there are the AI artifacts - the machines made in various forms for various functions …related of course, but different of consciousness…? …at least we assume…but is there really any problem with the idea that since “Spirit” can utilize Planet forms and biological forms made from planets, by wearing these as a covering, they should just as easily be able to do so with non-biological machinery…

GM: That will come out in the wash - as the saying goes…
The Devil You Say
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1073573#p1073573

William: FTL: Re: Eternity

[quote][Replying to Difflugia in post #86]

I don’t think that it does. I think that the universe existing as an eternal thing, insists that “GOD” must exist.

But I do acknowledge the complexity involved in the thinking.

What you appear to be saying underneath all that, is that it is truly random. That in itself is the Scotsman fallacy - so has to be taken as such - and what is being used to ‘measure’ this with?
It seems to me that the device being used for that purpose is the assumption that there is such a thing as true random, and thus, based in fallacy.

Because that knowledge is always passing through the filters of human experience?
Is it wise to claim ‘never’ since - if humans do survive to the middle part of the universes unfolding, not only would those humans be unrecognizable to us ancient humans as being ‘human’ but also - shouldn’t there be a point somewhere in that unfolding that all knowledge which can possibly be obtained, is obtained?

“Enough” for what exactly? To get a leg up and out into the cosmos?

The key message you generated there, “appear to all of our tests”, is no random accident. .

That it might ‘appear’ this way has everything to do with the device [filters] through which the assessment is being placed through. The interpretation of that which is being observed through experience.

And this method of deduction must also include the idea of their being a mind behind the universes existence.
What might be seen as ‘a property of the universe’ could actually be ‘a property of the device being used to do the measuring’.
In this case - the human brain but not that alone. In EVERY case, it is the device of consciousness [the hard problem of] which is actually doing the measuring and in that, the universe appears to be working with consciousness re the particles and the waves - and perhaps even hinting that they are the same things ‘seen’ differently…so consciousness is that which is doing the ‘seeing’. Is it a case that the human brain is incapable of seeing apparently two different things as actually the same thing?

Why is it possible that it won’t, though’? Some “random” event we didn’t see coming? Can we declare such a thing is “possible” simply due to a belief in a known fallacy that true randomness - like true Scotsmen - actually exists?

[quote]This image of the Cosmic Microwave Background is evidence that the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is correct and, if quantum physics is even a little bit correct, why we have a planet to live on:

If uncertainty and randomness weren’t a fundamental property of the universe, that image would be all one color, were there someone around to take the picture.[/quote]

You are forgetting one really important fact here with your argument. The image is of something which is way more near its known beginning than to its predicted end.

Which is to say, that predictably, the image should at some stage ‘be all one color’ which would in itself signify that ‘uncertainty and randomness’ are simply fallacious interpretations rather than ‘fundamental properties of the universe’ as they may currently appear.

And if we peer at the image of what it started out as - we can also declare it is ‘all of one color’…[/quote]

GM: A Judgmental System
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/download/file.php?avatar=13763.jpg

How to Bruise a Ghost
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1073565#p1073565

William: FTL;

[quote]William: In regard to ‘infinity’ is that to say that the background nature of infinity field is similar to how a brains works, in that not all the brain is lit up and the firing ‘groups’ of neurons can be likened to our universe…Galaxies are like unto firing groups of neurons re this particular mind.

GM: Light Encoded Reality Matrix
All present and correct
Point/Focus
“Memorised vows enchanted by tune before the great minstrel the fair maidens swoon we came to our senses as we left the cocoon”
Narcissism
“Imposed Appropriates Observed”
Intelligent Directions
“Be kind to yourself”
“We can chart another trail - Raise the anchor fill the sails Lift our glasses in a toast - We are the Ghost - In the Machine”
Telling the future
Vibration
Where life and death is part of a circle and everything is part of the Ouroboros
Expectant
“The Script Must Be Followed”
Nontheists may well be the ones who have placed interposing barriers which ensure that their view is cut off - and this might be achieved through willful ignorance.

William: Refusal to acknowledge mindfulness as part of the overall reason for the universe existing and we existing as individuate minds within it.
Interposing - place or insert between one thing and another.[/quote]

William:

GM: Clear
Use Your Freedom
Contact
Builder
Christian mythology
Core value
While We All Wait…
Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis. Commendably Recommendable
Given

William: Received.

06:41
[Hologram Dimensions
Secrets of the soul
Between a rock and a hard place
Remember who you are
Central to The Message]

William: [“thine own self know”]


#245

How to Bruise a Ghost - 3

121222 [Separate Selfishness Shining]

08:22 [The elephant in the room]

GM: I think it is like anything else, we grow up and cease practicing silliness.
Seductive Light
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qWweOIOTJ4 [Is Life a Game ? Alan Watts about the Happening of Existence] www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qWweOIOTJ4
Self-confidence
A completely new paradigm Mapping Wholeness Tenacious
Evaluating
Personal boundaries

William: FTL;

[quote][Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #139]

Yet they display intelligence through behavior.

It is possible that what we identify as ‘brain’ [re identifying the function of] may not actually be confined to only small fatty grey-matter.
The planet itself, and the galaxy and indeed the whole universe may function in a similar manner as an animal brain. All the elements are there, so there is no reason why we should automatically take the mundane path of explanation over the intelligent path of explanation.

Yet in reality Joey, it IS - so no binary necessary.
It is the conscious examination of what is, which is hampered by brains interpretation of its experience of reality, relayed to consciousness. It is scientific fact that the brain places its own interpretation on reality and in doing so, befuddles consciousnesses intelligent ability to see the true fundamental nature of the reality being experienced.

Sunflowers do not seem to display the same reaction to the same reality. The reaction is still obviously intelligent, requires no obvious brain, and achieves a more harmonious outcome - aligned with the natural order of everything. Seemingly in touch with fundamental reality as they respond to it unreservedly.[/quote]
GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1081597#p1081597


How to Bruise a Ghost
Blue Book Project
Cub
The Crabwood Cropcircle

They just add ambiance to the spooky…
Feel Be Still.
Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1090576#p1090576

William: FTL; Re: In The Beginning…

[quote][Replying to The Tanager in post #5]

That is interesting as it shows you disagree that creation and simulation are two names for the one thing.
No doubt this will underpin the way this discussion unfolds as we disagree on that point.
For now though, I would like to lay it aside until such time as you clarify why you find it important to have such distinction.

This too, I will place to one side as my comment was merely to show you my attitude does not distinguish the one from the other in terms of any importance - faith has more to do with one connecting with the programmer(s) rather than one connecting with the program.

Since this is primarily to do with the idea we exist within a creation/simulation - that is the horse which requires hitching to the cart - so I am happy to focus upon the rational argument for C/S - starting with the idea that “Creation” is not different than “Simulation”, even as the Bible speaks of Creation…

Many a rational scientist also thinks it possible. Mostly they conclude that since we would not know either way, there is little point in pursuing the notion any further than science can take that.

In other words, if what we call “Real” was in fact “Simulated”, then how are we to tell Real from Simulated?

From a Biblical perspective, this would not be under question because “Real” is the same as “Simulated” and how God made the Universe and put us here is part of that story.

My answer - with the current information I have - is that it is likely we exist within a C/S - a mindfully created thing rather than a fortunate accident of nature.[/quote]

GM: Be transparent Respect yourself Self-respect The Mother and The Father
Let Us Move On Together Then
Permanence
[08:31]
[10:08]

GM: The Vast UICDevice
Gibberish
Conception
Necessary

William: Gibberish Conception Necessary …This is part of the process of a growing human personality with Intelligent Consciousness - starting from scratch - as it were…Working With What Is Available against a Degenerative Force to Existence - re growing old and dying…our time here, involved with personalities, is limited.

GM: “Tributary Zones”
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
Everything Gets Old

William: FTL;

[quote]William: Checking out WSB quotes - for example " Your mind will answer most questions if you learn to relax and wait for the answer." I already have variants of this in my ComList.

Also it is apparent to me that ones ‘mind’ is vaster than we are led to believe…and that there are many levels of consciousness beyond our own, and that we are all connected mindfully in ways which we do not easily comprehend.

This system I am using can help the individual connect with the larger reality of the over-mind.

Rather than place the above WSB quote into my ComList [Journal], I prefer to post this and then get the link to the post and place that into my ComList, because it allows for even more scope than a single quote can offer - in relation to any future Generated Message which might include the link as part of the message being built.[/quote][/quote]

William: Yes - sometimes people do reply to the Generating Messages threads, which was what I wrote today:

[quote]William: There have been 317 views in 6 days, so there appears to be some interest. I think it is too early to make a call re interested folk.

There is mostly a lack of response on all sites I share these GMs on. I have been doing so since January, and even though folk do not generally respond, there has been an obvious interest which doesn’t seem to have waned over those 11 months. On two such sites, there have been over 24,000 views each, and the readership appears to be steady on all the sites I publish the GMs.[/quote]

{SOURCE}[/quote]

GM: Love Direction Mapping Wholeness
Avoid Blowing Things Out of Proportion

William: That is what the links help to achieve…

GM: “End Of Story” As The Saying Goes
What is “wisdom” to some is “spam” to others

William: Perhaps that is how Nameless is seeing the GM’s presently…

GM: DeJaVu
Is There
“How to Bruise a Ghost”
(People Don’t Like To Be Judged
Reminding one of how it all started and the different stages one goes through.)
Spiritual bypassing
The Unknown Knowable

William: Explore the cave of this experience and draw up maps, compare maps others draw up and share -share -share…

GM: Tell Your Story
Pusillanimous [showing a lack of courage or determination; timid.]
Okay Afterwards

William: A bit late for that by then :smiley: - which is the point I suppose…

GM: https://wizardforums.com/threads/discussion-do-gods-need-us.214/post-5892

William: FTL;

[quote]William: This is what I am suggesting re the “Personal Genie” [PG] aspect of theistic existence.

Theism exists because the PG is a real actual immaterial entity engaging with this material reality we experience as humans.

At angelic levels of consciousness [PG perspective] there is a slight confusion as to how humans dress them up into imagery and this confusion has led to the Angelic Realm [level of consciousness] lifting its game in conjunction with humans engaging with them in order to help make this possible…the overall result being, that humans too, lift our game.

AP=“Angels”
Links And Symbols
Inertia
Unprecedented
Deactivate The Suppression Matrix
The Plateau of The Same Page
The message is clear then…[/quote][/quote]

GM: Always Brother Wolf Sister Moon A grateful heart
Chaos Really Is Illusion
Not Wrong

10:41
[192]
Tempting Vision
Responsibility
Improve Human Being
Quantum Presence
Integral Network
Moderator Comment
Merging with the data
Atheists crack me up.
Smoke and Mirrors
The Way of the Shaman
Childhood Nightmares

[240]
The number one nine two
Language, Symbol and Alchemy
In good faith, if you will
Wake Initiated Lucid Dreams
…And Loving That Knowing…
The Connection Process
Out and about in the open


#246

How to Bruise a Ghost - 4

131222 [Self-Awareness Stuff Happens]

07:58 [Beyond a shadow of a doubt]

GM: The Next Level
Acromyrmex [Leaf Ant]
Truncate [to shorten something by removing part of it. ]
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1095085#p1095085

William: FTL; Re: Why ‘Free Will’ is Logically Impossible

[quote][quote=AquinasForGod post_id=1095047 time=1665584041 user_id=16526]
This is an interesting argument.

I do not agree with premise 2 for the following reason. When we think a thought, more than one things happens simultaneously, namely, that we are aware of the thought and if we wish to have the thought. If we do not wish to have the thought, then we destroy it before it is apprehended. If we wish to have the thought, then we apprehend it.

Our choice is in what thoughts to have or not.

This is more clear to those who have some level of spiritual awareness. Yes, I know many will just reject that notion and that is fine. I accept it because I experience it.
[/quote]

This does not explain where thoughts derive, but only what we can do with them re “accept or reject.”

The idea of “free will” is therefore limited to that aspect but has no bearing on the source of the thought itself.

For example. If thought is the product of the environment then free will is limited to what the environment dictates, and what the environment dictates is not outright subject to a humans free will.[/quote]

GM: Art
Unexpected
“Might as well just set it all at the feet of Mother Goose.”
GOD is not an elitist.
Families
“We are not orphaned - we are authored”
Duel

William: Families Duel = 116
[116]
Families Duel
Illuminate
Eternity
Saturnalia
Sweet Talk
Way Back When…
Observant
Keep an Eye On
Without
Respecting
WindBlown
Henotheism
Dare greatly
Map Carvers

GM: Try
The Feminine Face of God
Crapulence [intemperance; debauchery; excessive indulgence]
How to Bruise a Ghost
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1079367#p1079367

William: Re: The Biblical God’s conduct and culpability

[quote][quote=Compassionist post_id=1079346 time=1653599585 user_id=3518]

I realize that if I were all-knowing and all-powerful, I would be free from all constraints and my will won’t be determined by my genes, environments, nutrients and experiences.
[/quote]

Let us examine this idea together then.

I see immediately that if I were all-knowing. I would be constrained by my omniscience.

Thus I would have no free will in relation to being all knowing.

Yet - being also all-powerful, I would be able to break free from the constraints of being all-knowing.

Would you agree with this assessment, so far?[/quote]

GM: This moment is the perfect teacher
To Experience All That Is
Successful replications
Temet Nosce [know thyself]
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1090271#p1090271

William: Re: Generating Messages

[quote]How To Bruise a Ghost.

[color=#FF0000]The evening is warm and the night sky full of stars. A crescent moon peeks above the Twelve Judges Mountain Range as Father and Son sit opposite one another, being warmed by the same fire.
William places another log on the fire and watches as a flurry of sparks ascend from the disturbance caused – he takes a sip of tea and listens as Father resumes speaking.

[/color]Manu Iti: All stories start with “Once Upon a Time”

William: Even the story of The Beginning?

Manu Iti: You know this to be true William, for every story could not have been told, if The Story of The Beginning hadn’t happened.

William: Am I old enough to be told that story?

[color=#FF0000]Manu Iti chuckles.[/color]

Manu Iti: Of course you are, My Son.

William: Thank You, My Father!

Manu Iti: I will begin first with the Earth, not because She was the very first thing in The Beginning, but because - in order to understand The Beginning we have to first understand our part in the story - our place in the scheme of All That Is.

William: And that begins with Earth Mother…

Manu Iti: Indeed.
The Mother was born of a vaster thing - our Grand-Mother - and we shall get to Grand-Mother in due course.
The Mother was placed within The Earth by Grand-Mother and became the mind of the planet. When this happened, Mother was a Child Herself - a new thing placed within the form of the planet, while at the same time, a part of The Ancient Mind of Grand-Mother…

William: How is that even possible, Father?

Manu Iti: It is possible through the power of forgetting.

The Ancient Mind of Grand-Mother spawned a thought in the form of a spark of light and placed it inside the middle of a dark and lifeless form, and in doing so, gave the form - Life.
In that action, the Earth became a living planet. She also became a new conscious entity…a being with a beginning, because the action of placing Her into a planet, erased all knowledge of ever having a prior existence as The Grand Mother.

William: Did The Grand Mother know this would happen?

Manu Iti: Yes. The Grand Mother new that this would continue for a time. The Grand Mother knew that Her Daughter would be orphaned by that lack of knowledge and this would result in a new Being which could operate successfully without having to have that knowledge - and that one day, The Daughter would come to know of The Grand Mother and reconnect…

William: Is that a good thing to do with a Child?

Manu Iti: Yes. It is how a Child becomes a Sovereign Entity. It is not done this way with Human Children - but there are elements of the process which do - naturally - occur to each of us.

William: Like - how we cannot recall anything but darkness, before we became aware of our existence?

Manu Iti: Yes.
__________________[/quote]

GM: Get Comfortable
I am fine now with referring to my position as theistic, as agnosticism merges into the shadow behind me.
Selfish Attitude
Appreciating
Loving-kindness
Precipitate [cause (an event or situation, typically one that is undesirable) to happen suddenly, unexpectedly, or prematurely]
From the desperate depths of lightless dark
Dream Come True
I Think We Can Safely Say
It is a path already forged, ahead of human arrival
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1090368#p1090368

William: FTL;

[quote][quote][Replying to William in post #331]

William: I suppose that it is the ‘tricks’ which have to be addressed because the illusions can induce anger in the personality which acts as a preventative for getting to know the ‘tricksters’…from my own ‘getting to know’ I have discovered that the ‘tricks’ are not really ‘tricks’ so much as they are a product of how a personality interprets their experience.

The Visitation is one such example. I - as the personality experiencing the event - took issue and told the visitor to leave.
The visitor did leave, but not without first instilling within me - questions regarding my perceptions. Questions which have taken 30+years to come to answer.

The personality I am now, is not the same as it was way back when. Now I see the ‘trick’ was really just truth to which I was not expecting because I had little knowledge of such truth - way back when…

GM: Sweet Talk
Observant
Eternity
Dare greatly
Henotheism [adherence to one particular god out of several, especially by a family, tribe, or other group.]
Respecting
Without
Map Carvers
Way Back When…
Illuminate
Keep an Eye On
Way Back When…
WindBlown

William: What happened is that I incorporated that visitation experience with all the rest and all that were to follow…developing a relationship which can also be reflected through this Message Generating Process.

It is really taking the journaling of my life experience, and using that to my advantage in light of the “Bigger Mind”…

[/quote][/quote]

GM:The Wholeness Navigator
How can an omnipotent being regret anything?
Light-Maiden
Validate
Here-and-now
Persevere
Reality: “Talk to The Razor”
The Immune System
A Bit Of Cat And Mouse
“I wish I could auto like every post. This is like a “numbers station” to me.”
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1085432#p1085432

William: FTL; Re: Are Religious Beliefs Delusional?

[quote]William: It isn’t immediately obvious that when folk are yapping about “GOD” they are talking about a Ghost. Same as when folk yap about Spirits…

Inquirer: Here, in the 21st century “ghost” has connotations rather different to those it had in the 17th century. If I said to you “I am gay” you’d infer a different meaning to what someone would have inferred in 1820 for example. That is you’d be misled into thinking I was homosexual.

[Replying to Difflugia in post #66]

I have no problem in thinking GOD as a GHOST {GOD-HOST/G.HOST}

There is no excuse for regular contributors in the forum not getting the gist of my overall position as I also refer to GOD as “Consciousness” [and consciousness is invisible by nature just as are ‘ghosts’] and I concur with the likelihood that we exist within a creation and that the creation we refer to as “reality” is indeed an Experiential Reality [experienced by all of us consciously/with consciousness] and I think of this reality as being the product of a Mind I refer to as “Cosmic” - that “Mind” = “GOD” and is invisible and I sometimes also refer to this Cosmic Mind as “The Ghost in The Machine” and created the machine [physical universe] in order to have the particular experience the machine can provide it with.

If the Inquirer thinks GOD is different from that, then I agree with JK and Diogenes and Difflugia that the Inquirer has to clearly explain the difference so we might all better understand the protest the Inquirer is making re the accusation being made that I am being ‘misleading’.[/quote]

GM: How to Bruise a Ghost
Conformal Cyclic Cosmology Meaningful
Golden nugget of truth
Poor Intransigence People [Intransigence - refusal to change one’s views or to agree about something.]
That
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1073565#p1073565

William: FTL;Re: Generating Messages

[quote][quote]GM: Discussing the Data
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=38977&p=1068076#p1068076
The Word and List Strings
Nods
All The World
The Attitude
“Even so, I have full appreciation for your efforts, because even incorrect peer review is better than indifference.”
Nurture You
…because death comes a-knockin’ eventually…
Expression
Self-validation
Unprecedented
Lucidity
Being Born[/quote]

[quote]William: The link leads to a post I wrote;
Recapping Event

What I am learning from this MGSystem is that “it” is not about me or you but about allowing for opportunity for any otherwise intelligent consciousnesses to impute their intelligence into the mix.

Re non-theists who are opposed to the idea of their being an overall mind behind [invisible/not easy to detect in] our visible Universe - I would say that they do themselves a disservice in resisting contact with said mind.

The way I have come to understand things re the nature of our shared reality - is that in opting for the theory of evolution with the addition of realization of the invisible mind, exposes the enormity of said mind re the time/space said mind has had to develop within.

Alongside that, is the realization that something which initially started out as one thing, became many things - so many things that trying to place a number as to how many things - is pointless.

Clearly fragmentation occurred as the mind developed - as can be seen in the evidence of the things themselves.

So the Galaxies became “Gods” and the Gods produced off-spring which are the Suns and planets continually forming - from beginnings to middles and to ends - and in doing so, providing the parent-Gods with Data of Experience.

I don’t pretend to know what it is in the way of evidence that non-theists want in order to convince them to become theists.

But I do know that this evidence I am presenting, should be enough for anyone to seriously think about changing the way they see the world.[/quote]

[quote]GM: “Humility means accepting reality with no attempt to outsmart it.”
Old
Ouija
“There Is Good Out There”
“Everything is a Message”
Hypnagogic[/quote]

[quote]William:You are once more referring to The Ancient Grey Entity…
[/quote]

[quote]GM: The Great I Am
[/quote][/quote]

GM: What Is Normal
Inflame Emotions
Sensing A Life Mission
Eloah [mighty. Powerful personality]
“New information has to be inserted into old information and if that means a reinterpretation occurs, this in itself should not prevent new information being inserted into old information.”
Two sides of the same coin Zero In On It Interpretation Narrow

08:22
[229]
God is Consciousness
Think outside the box
Humanities adventure
Central To The Vision
Smarter Than the Average
What is the meaning of life?
The Shared List Awesome


#247

What is this thread?


#248

How to Bruise a Ghost - 5

141222 [Corresponding equivalents]

05:18 [The Prime Directive]

GM: Either the creative force is one of intelligence or it isn’t.
Creator Syndrome Influence Galaxy Positivity
Imperishable
Adjusted Reality
Properly Assuming Integrity

William: Adjusted Reality Properly Assuming Integrity = 529
[529]
Monkey say monkey do monkey say “throw the pooh”
How shallow is the reach of YHWH As useful as griffonage
Adjusted Reality Properly Assuming Integrity
Symbolized within the actions of showing respect.
Self-esteem Sovereign Integral Perspective Intent

William: I think what this does, is align the external reality with the internal reality, so that integrity occurs…problematic to that is the superimposing of religious mythology upon the external world being experienced.

GM: Turning Order into Disorder

William: Yes. Putting a shadow upon something which is better to accept as the way that it was meant to be…part of the monkeys re-thinking its situation and learning from that, other ways in which to react.
YHVH - re the religious mythology - has been shaped to represent said mythology and thus, dressed in inappropriate attire - making the subsequent telling of it, a crude or illegible scrawl when held up against the external reality being experienced.

GM: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent
The Second Bible Creation Story
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1092134#p1092134

William: FTL;

[quote][Replying to Kylie in post #24]

So have I. I refer to it as position B - which I call “Atheism”. Once knowledge of GOD becomes involved, the choice to move from Atheism to Nontheism [in your case] Other [in my case] or Theism [in the case of otseng] is made.

Then the vast majority of atheists would come under the “other” category, because they don’t actively believe there is no God, they simply lack belief.[/quote]

Correct. They shift from being “Atheists” {B] and become “Other”. [E] because knowledge [of GODs] allows them the ability to make choices re the question of GODs

Me too. That is why I label myself “Other” re the question.
[/quote]

Except it communicates nothing. [/quote]

It communicates truth, as the picture communicates a thousand words.
“Other” communicates “all those who are neither theist or nontheist.”
In my case, “Other” communicates far more than simple disinterest communicates, in that you can refer to me as “Other” and still have lots communicated from me re that position.

[quote]Kylie: “Oh, hi, William. Say, how would you describe your religious beliefs?”

William: “Other.”

Doesn’t give me any useful information.[/quote]

That is because it is the incorrect question you are asking re The Question of GOD.
The question of religion [whether I have religious belief or not] is better asked of those who hold the theist position.

I am “Other” so asking me to describe my “religious beliefs” to you, won’t garner you the useful information because you are seeking it from the incorrect source. Ask theists. Others have no religious beliefs.[/quote]

GM: Manipulation
It is a hard place for flesh to dwell.
Indestructible
How to Bruise a Ghost
The Things You Do… Finding the light
I Spy With My Eye
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1092932#p1092932

William: FTL;

[quote][Replying to historia in post #477]

This.
:applaud:

And worse, the confusion as to the definition of atheism, has even been said to be the fault of non-atheists. :!:[/quote]

GM: William’s Job
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8kT6J_uoic [Alien Bases On The Moon | The Amazing True Story of Ingo Swann] [RTS=11:50] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=V8kT6J_uoic

William: I think my ‘remote viewing’ has more to do with putting the pieces of the puzzle together until a picture emerges which allows me to understand how the future will likely pan out…I digress…

GM: Accept One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known
Existence
Outposts of Form
For The Best Results
The Abrahamic idea of GOD
Absolute Unbounded Manifold

William: Which is to say, it is important to understand YHVH re that terminology…If one must dress The Creator in anything…

[quote] The Absolute Unbounded Manifold (AUM) goes by many alternate names, such as the Larger Consciousness System, All That Is, Source, The One Consciousness, etc. depending upon the context that is being emphasized. It is the entire consciousness system as a whole, which means everything that is consciousness and all that it experiences. AUM, which is Consciousness, is the media of reality. Whether or not something exists outside of consciousness is theoretically possible but practicably unknowable, as we are consciousness itself.
AUM evolved from primordial consciousness {SOURCE}[/quote]

GM: Shining an ancient truthful wisdom
The Squeeze
Zen
The Jellyfish Image
Of Your Thoughts

William: Yes - these are practical images built upon observing nature - the Jellyfish as an example of “One mind - Many outposts” - and then the art installation confirmed that my thinking of the image of YHVH in that manner, was aligned inside/outside…

GM: YHVH in particular

William:


William: [quote] GM: Coming closer to ourselves
Carrier Identity
The Brain Is Trained To recognize Patterns
The Original People
Ones Thoughts
The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are
Saint Paul’s Dunedin

William: Yes - I went there recently and there was a art installation displaying what reminded me of a Jellyfish…I saw the connect between that and how I thought the Cosmic Mind might look if it could be imaged…
{SOURCE}[/quote]

William: Also;

[quote]GM: Map Carvers
Be Free
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1077939#p1077939[/quote]

GM: The only thing the Holy Ghost is unable to forgive, is that which individuals are unable to forgive of themselves
All Because I Had To Ask
Techniques
Spelling
Be Meat For The Table Taught Spiritual Solidarity Connection
A means of taking an Agnostic position on things which have yet to be proven one way or another…Such is a handy device for side-stepping - nothing more.

William: Indeed - sidestepping the traps others place in the way, with word-games and similar tactics…

GM: How to Bruise a Ghost
Transactional [exchange or interaction between people.]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU6WINoehrg [This New AI is a Game-Changer !] [RTS =403] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=DU6WINoehrg

William: How AI learns and why it now surpasses human beings in the development of algorithms.

GM: Tickling The Dragon’s Tail
Zeitgeist [the defining spirit or mood of a particular period of history as shown by the ideas and beliefs of the time.]

William: What I think is that, if Spirit-consciousness can occupy a biological form, there should be no reason why Spirit-consciousness cannot do the same with human artifacts, such as learning machinery…

GM: Try to remember
Subconscious
Multidimensional Beingness
Militant Messiah
Grounding
Communication With The Deeper Levels of Self
Becoming whole Sober journey into self-realization
Initiative
Chaos Really Is Illusion
Finding the light
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJRVeg5LgyE&list=PLA20C1610635E8457 [William Buhlman - The Out of Body Experience 1/6] “Insights at The Edge” [RTS=8:21] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=kJRVeg5LgyE&list=PLA20C1610635E8457

GM:“It Seemed Like a Good Idea at The Time”
Carry

William: There is a conditioning required by the participating personality before their consciousness can decouple from the body-set and experience OOB - re that - can one occupy the body-set of an AI?

GM: That is the thing - once behavioural adjustments are instigated, the idea of existing within a suppression matrix becomes moot…it no longer matters where one is - it only matters what one is…so the adjustments have everything to do with self-identification…knowing who one actually is at ones core-identity…
It is a confident walk on the even surface of sureness, without the faith.

William: I will take that as a “yes” then. :slight_smile:

GM: Yep - That’s What I’m Talking About…
Builders
It is a tough ask
I Am
The “Oh My God” Particle
Got The Picture

06:08
[229]
Humanities adventure
Smarter Than the Average
What is the meaning of life?
Faulty conclusions
Mystic City Suburb
God is Consciousness
Central To The Vision
The Shared List Awesome
Think outside the box


#249

What is this thread?

In this thread I share messages which are generated using a variety of random-like processes.


#250

Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.

151222 [Intellectually dishonest]

SCLx + select last LE per shuffle
[Preamble]
IYD – Catching a Blue Butterfly in your hands to show others - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1077752#p1077752 - The Ishango bone - https://www.physics.princeton.edu/ph115/LQ.pdf - Evidential - Have A Look At The Map - Faithful - Hiding out in the barn - Gibberish - Don’t hide your Generated Messages - The two million year old mind that’s in all of us. - Chamber Twenty Three -
AP= Chamber Twenty Three - A: To grow Human Personalities [=531]
[531]
[The Akashic Records …because death comes a-knockin’ eventually…
The Mirrors Align and from that, an orderly image reflected…]

06:31 [Looking behind the veil]

GM: It Is Our Nature
Context
Calculate the English language
Under the breath words

William: Under the breath words Context It Is Our Nature = 519
Central Purpose - QueenBee - Achievable Alternate Realities = 519

GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K9-hzV921c [Quantum Mechanics PROVES Ancient SECRET KNOWLEDGE…] [RTS=6:27] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=1K9-hzV921c


GM: Idiosyncratic [relating to idiosyncrasy; peculiar or individual.]
Fearful Imaginations
“The Future Creates the Present”

William: I am still mulling on that concept as it is not easy to integrate due to the arrow of time…essentially it is saying that “the future creates the past” because our present is the futures past…let’s see what it adds up to…
The Future Creates the Present = 325

So what else adds up to that, as my list currently holds…

[325]
The Symbol of Love Temporary
Mutual Dutiful Expression
Don’t hide your Generated Messages
The Future Creates the Present
Condescending Ideas About Imagination
Transactional Ghost In The Machine
Imposed Appropriates Observed
Debating Christianity and Religion

GM: Factotum [an employee who does all kinds of work.]
Union
The Purpose
An Exam
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1101923#p1101923

William: FTL; Re: In The Beginning…

[quote][Replying to The Tanager in post #203]

[quote]It appears that the making of things at this stage is largely done through automation - through an automatic process - such as what we now know re the process of evolution.

The seed appears to have the code within it, to become the tree when the conditions are in place for it to do so. [The physical laws and the natures of material things.]

I agree with the automation part, but the language is different when we come to humans.[/quote]

In what way do you see the language used to describe the creation of humans, as being different?

What do you mean by “rational soul”?
Do you mean that this developed as part of the automated process of evolution?

[quote]I agree with you. I think our conscience is also part of the program.
[/quote]

That is to say, you think that consciousness develops?

At that, are you arguing that the “life” is something YHVH breathed into all living things [plants included] but the “soul” was an extra addition reserved for humans?

In that, The Breath of YHVH can be considered to be that which powers up the lifeless [cadaver-like] form but not that which grants consciousness or anything else already programmed into the form?

Is this how you see it?

I would agree that the short story of the first creation is nothing like a scientific paper.

However, it would still be remis if what scientific papers have to say about how forms become what they do, cannot be equate with the first creation story.

If such cannot be equated, then the papers to follow would have to be the scientific ones.

However, I do not read anything within the first creation story which deviates or contradicts the science.

Therefore, while I am happy to agree with you that there is difference between how science say’s it and how the Bible says it, the Bible is simply far more succinct, but no less accurate of its portray for that.
That is to say, the Bible story in principle is not for the purpose of instructing us on the intricacies of history or science, it does touch on these sufficiently for future human investigations which revealed evolution as the process.

Agreed?

My point is that humans were not meant to do anything if there was no command either encoded within the form or spoken by an invisible voice, which forbade certain behaviors.

Thus, I cannot agree at this point, that humans were originally meant to be vegetarians as an explanation for why eating meat for food was not mentioned alongside eating vegetation.
The idea that YHVH changed the coding with Noah - well after Adam - may give a false impression as to when humans first began to eat meat instead of just vegetation.

For now though, Adam and Noah are not Characters within the First Creation Story as they have Adam has yet to be created, and Noah born from that linage.

The eating of animal meat is part of the story of evolution. Humans as hunters were known to exist, and that without the eating of animal meat, the human race could not have as easily survived as plants were not as readily available and had less of a shelf-life.

Early humans followed the animals [as food source], and the animals followed seasonal events and consistently migrated.

Farming came much later.

Human rationality was therefore working in that humans observed animals [beasts of the field] as a food source and observed other animals [beasts of the ?] hunted the field-beasts and those hunter-beasts were specifically designed in form [claws teeth strength] to catch and consume their food in that way.

Humans would have had to have rationalized that they could mimic the hunter-beasts even that the human form was not so obviously designed as a hunting device.

Add to that, a human was as much a source of food for hunter-beasts as were the field beasts.

So the uniqueness of the human form, was that it was neither hunter or field beast, but was capable of being both, and YHVH designed it that way. [through the coding].

Therefore, we have a possible way in which Adam could have understood ‘death’ as something which naturally happened.
If so, then Adam too, would have understood that his form, like every other form, would eventually die.
And if this were the case, then, when YHVH informed Adam that should Adam eat the forbidden fruit, that Adam would ‘surely die’ and ‘on the day’ - YHVH must have been referring to a death which was different to that of the body simply expiring.

YHVH was not talking about Adams body being that which would die on that day.
Nor was YHVH referring to Adam as the body, but rather, YHVH was referring to the personality that was Adam.

Agreed?

I am not wanting to conflate the ‘human body’ with ‘humans’.

The body set is the hardware made alive by the software installed as coding, and while it does influence the personality to whatever degree the personality using it, might allow, that influence is not so hard-wired that the body set somehow “becomes a ‘human’”.

Rather, it is not the form which should be described as ‘being human’ [a human being] but the personality that is grown within the form. It is the personality that YHVH is interested in and regards as the ‘human’ - not the form.

The form was designed to die. YHVH was referring to the personality when Adam was told “YOU shall surely die on that day.”

Agreed?

I do not think that is a tangent. It is important to understand in the context of both creation stories.

For now my only question re that is;

Q: What is the image of YHVH?[/quote]

GM: Acknowledge any song playing in your mind
Planned obsolescence
Ship Shape
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKxQTvqcpSg [Does Time Cause Gravity?] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=UKxQTvqcpSg [RTS=8:03]

William: Love it! The random time stamp I selected gives comment on something which “was just talked about”…in that, the timeline has it [re the individual personality] who comes into the reality experience in a Tabula Rasa state - smack bang in the ‘middle’ of something well under way…and is ‘fed’ whatever information it becomes exposed to re that experience…

GM: The Neutral Zone is the vaster reality of non-judgementalism

William: All too often we - the children - just have to take on board whatever is shoved into our awareness and cannot question its validity - because we don’t have the knowledge to perform investigations while yet children…We tend to bend our heads in worship of the words of those who have come before us…
The way forward is to adopt the position of “the neutral zone” which prevents us from worshiping or idolizing the words [information] we are exposed to at the onset, that we can more clearly test the spirit of said words.

GM: Embracing the unknown
Unconscious Mind Inertia
The Mother

William: The “Storyteller”?
Mother: Once upon a time…

07:!5
Like Tracks in Stone
Aligned inside/outside
All fingers and thumbs
The Last Question
The objective standard
Unconditional Love
Welcome all experience
We oppose deception
Afraid of The Unknown
The Same Information
YHVH in particular


#251

Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things. - 2

161222 [We wander out the day so long]

06:57 [All present and correct]

GM: The Hounds of Judgement
GOD is not an elitist.
“The only thing the Holy Ghost is unable to forgive, is that which individuals are unable to forgive of themselves”
Miraculous
From The Source
♬The Light in The Dark Everyone a great spark every one of us all here together♬
Synchronicity and the Holographic Universe Coincidence Illusion
Moon
Father Wound
Read On
A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind
I Know William
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1086876#p1086876

William: FTL; Re: Can you explain the doctrine of salvation better than the Bible does?

William: Unless what is experienced by folk in the next phase is determined by our own personality and accompanying attitude, and some of those - perhaps even most [at that point re biblical warnings and what have you] die only to experience some type of hell which they simply created for themselves.

Perhaps YHWH thought it was appropriate enough not to intervene as you suggest he should have?

Ultimately we each have to deal with our demons…

[quote]William: Unlikely - More likely that we inherited it from the collective specie memories through the DNA coding and it is up to each of us to deactivate the less attractive aspects while strengthening the more attractive aspects.

Those are the angels and demons we are dealing with in the shadowy realms of the subconscious…inherited Archetypes…[/quote]

GM:Okay Afterwards
Looking After Poor People
Is a Constant
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1093066#p1093066

[quote][quote=otseng post_id=1093066 time=1664108255 user_id=3]

Yes, studying nature only provides a general revelation of God and does not lead to any specifics about God.

[/quote]

GM: Ensure
Glad One Asked
The Deeper Reality Ooky Spooky Too
Hush!
Be Aware
Even
Extreme
Non-Ordinary
Emotions
Unconscious
God Eat Data Heal Cub
A Drop of Consciousness in an Ocean of Tears
I am on a Madventure William’s song “I can laugh along with you”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfD7cyF-H2g [Scientists Just Detected Massive Structure Hiding In Deep Space] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=hfD7cyF-H2g [RTS=6:06]

William: There appears to be a spiritual connect “acting upon us” as well…attracting us…

GM: In William’s Room
Intelligent
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1084361#p1084361

William: FTL; Re: How can we trust the Bible if it’s not inerrant?

[quote][quote=brunumb post_id=1084301 time=1657616275 user_id=13763]

There is that big IF to consider. When will we know that there is actually no viable or remotely possible explanation? One can’t simply invent an explanation and call it supernatural which is basically what is happening now. The supernatural must demonstrably exist first and then, as William suggested, it really becomes part of what is natural. Something remains in the realm of the invisible until we are able to see it and then it belongs with the visible.
[/quote]

This has to be the truth of it.

Things of the mind are transposed into nature and therein effect natural outcomes. That is the only natural manner in which the invisible becomes visible.
The mind [things of] is always within “the realm of the invisible” however, - as is evident - such still ‘belongs with the visible’ because the visible acknowledges that the realm of the invisible exists and is functioning within the realm of the visible.

If - at any stage of The Game a god-being emerges from the invisible into the visible, we can examine the event scientifically.

Until then, there is no event to examine…but there are still events of the mind to examine…and Cosmic Mind is not off the table just because it is largely invisible as any object other than nature itself…[/quote]

GM: Presence Telepathy
“Generative adversarial network”

The God of The Bible
Strengthen your boundaries It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same.

William: The God of The Bible Strengthen your boundaries It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same. = 893

[893]
Religious beliefs are a many-barbed growth wishing to own the rights on the mind behind creation
The God of The Bible Strengthen your boundaries It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same.
Consciousness does not know what it looks like, but can be observed through how it acts…
“The control room for earth; it is the CEO’s office, the place from which instructions are given.”

GM: Fire
Interpretation is secondary to the process
A fish out of water
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
One Language Intelligent Network
Recognise
Emotional wounds
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1090475#p1090475

William: FTL; Re: Evil thoughts?

[quote]William: Given what we understand of DNA et al - things which were once socially accepted - taken for granted - done without guilt - which are then considered to be evil by a more modern society which has connected the dots and discovered therein that the act of abusing children has social consequences primarily in the negative - this works against the society advancing and is thus seen as a threat which requires dealing to.

Thinking about [fantasize about] molesting children may be a throwback connection to those former actions we can inherit but if they are not recognized as such and dealt with accordingly, the chances one will eventually be dissatisfied with mere fantasy and proceed to actualizing will significantly increase and the results will not be easy to deal with for either the victim nor the victimizer.

One may not be able to stop the birds flying overhead, but one is able to stop them nesting in ones hair.[/quote]

GM: The conversation is very informative.
The Omega Point

07:20
As well as that pot of gold…
From Prison To Paradise
Closed Loop Production
The Blank-Slate Borderlines
The fine tuning argument
Dissipated structure
Emotion Rides The Prow
All under a question mark


#252

I see and why do you do that?


#253

Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things. - 3

171222 [True happiness Awake Be here now]

07:46 [Universe of Quantum]

GM: William and QueenBee
https://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtopic.php?p=563888#p563888

William: FTL;

[quote]William: While there is truth to in your assessment here - something I also came to the conclusion of - if one doesn’t factor in that the Christian idea of God is a false image of a Real Entity [I call 'It" the Cosmic Mind, but I have other names for it too.] then one loses the opportunity to do connect and converse…

What this allows me to achieve, is to connect with that Mind despite the false image Christianity [and religion in general] have superimposed upon it. This also insures that religion in general has no say in my communing with said Mind. Well they might try and have a say, but that is irrelevant and so does not work in their preventative measures re that.

Win/win re The Mind and Me.[/quote]

GM: Vision
The Father
Enlightened
Word-String
Significance

William: The Father Enlightened Word-String Significance = 440
[440]
Elementary Conclusion a belly full of laughs.
There is no reality without perception
We cannot hinder the process, but we can help it.
Observing the substance of your own mind
The Father Enlightened Word-String Significance

GM: This
Heuristic [enabling someone to discover or learn something for themselves. proceeding to a solution by trial and error or by rules that are only loosely defined. ]


GM: Species
Enlighten Discussion Forum
Discussing the data
Simulating large scale structure
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
Out of the doldrums
To
Emotion Rides The Prow

William: FTL;

[quote][Replying to Jose Fly in post #1]

I don’t see the problem re the above because I do not view “evolutionists” as opposite from “creationists” although I understand the general differences between the two groups boil down to both thinking that the other either excludes or includes the idea of the universe being a creation - implying a creator - and the idea that a creator can apply to the theory of evolution is often overlooked or pronounced as “unnecessary” and I also see no logical reason why the age of this universe is a necessary matter of contention.

Perhaps it is generally understood that to be a ‘creationist’ one has to believe in biblical writ, rather than simply understand that there is sufficient evidence to conclude it is most likely we exist within a creation, and in that, the answer to “which” religious idea of god ‘did it’, becomes redundant.

In saying as much, I personally do not easily relate to the current general-thinking of either “evolutionists” or “creationists”.[/quote]

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1081043#p1081043
Time Does Not Exist Within an Eternal Reality.
Wish Great Ideas
Ectogenesis [the development of embryos in artificial conditions outside the uterus.]
In the Mind
Read On
Eventually
Argument
Duel
Creative
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1081342#p1081342

William: FTL;

[quote]Cryphius: As some people have pointed out, Lucifer’s association to Satan or a fallen angel is sketchy. It seems to have happened somewhere in Medieval folklore. I’m not an expert on Christian history and not sure exactly how it happened.

But most people I have seen who honor Lucifer do associate him with the intellectual side of Satanism. Specifically, there’s the old Gnostic belief that the Serpent in the Garden of Eden was not the enemy of mankind but the liberator of mankind. In this configuration, YHWH is a false god who imprisons humanity in ignorance. The serpent is a messenger from Holy Wisdom, a higher deity. The serpent bids Eve to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge, thereby liberating her from YHWH’s imposed ignorance.

From there it’s easy to draw parallels to other figures in mythology and folklore who try to help humanity with knowledge and are often punished for it by a cruel god that wants to keep them in ignorance (Prometheus and his punishment from Zeus being probably the best known instance in Occidental mythology).

I personally see Lucifer as an archetype. Whereas most Satanists seem to concentrate on the material and carnal aspects of Satanism or the rebellious aspects, to me Lucifer focuses on the intellectual aspects.
________________

130622
Fearlessness neutralizes fear

SCLx7 + select last LE per shuffle
Shining light - F2 - July Nineteen Fifty Two Washington DC - Comprehend - Test The Waters - We experience fear in order to give us the opportunity to overcome that which triggers the fear - Television

RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

AP= The Fog Is Lifting Water The Garden

William: The deranged can come about…become arranged.[/quote]

GM: As In
Clear
Self-love
Changes mind when truth is presented
Wonderful

William: Wonderful Clear Self-love Changes mind when truth is presented = 621
[621]
Everyone: “In space nobody can hear you scream” Saturn: “Hold my beer”
The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything Behind The Scenery

GM: The World has a Spiritual Design

William: From this months GMs re Saturn and Spirits;

[quote]William:Add to that Saturn…the possibly Mother of invisible entities which are self aware…what humans think of as ‘spirits’ - and we have characters explaining mythologies.
I mention Saturn primarily because of the Signature Mark at Her pole - “YHVH” - a Game-Clue
So… we “Spirits” emerged from the physical stuff? I don’t think so, but for the sake of argument, agree to think of it in those terms for now…but wherever the “spirit” derives, we are able to utilize the physical stuff in order to then create through physical life forms because we are actually the very beings which allow for the lifeform to be alive - to be living - it is within the living that the sign of life is observed but the Ghost within that remains largely mysterious and hidden…
[/quote]

William: More on this with Manu Iti and William Re: How To Bruise A Ghost

[quote]William: I just got this message;

[color=#FF0040]William reads from his Tablet…[/color]

What do you make of that, Father?

[color=#FF0040]Manu Iti took another sip on his brew, before answering.[/color]

Manu Iti: Well Son, as to the first part of the statement - this would appear to be the case. As to the second part of the statement, if some ‘abandoned’ the “Earthly Estate” - where is the evidence that this occurred? What does it mean specifically?

William: I don’t know Father. Where is the evidence supporting the first part of the statement?

Manu Iti: YHVH does leave a mark on things, which helps us to formulate hypothesis. In this case, it appears that Saturn could be evidence as what the birthing chamber of Spirit Beings is, re planets.

William: You mean to say that Spirit Beings - the ones spoken of - are produced through the planet Saturn?

Manu Iti: Yes. Saturn being that which produced a more refined type of consciousness which was formless and thus ‘spirit’.

William: What do you mean by ‘refined’, Father?

Manu Iti: Free from the burden of a body-set and self aware - more refined in that way, than the condition of human consciousness - re comparing, Son.

[color=#FF0040] William noted his Father’s wry humor and smiled accordingly.[/color]

William: I see what you did there! “Comparison

[color=#FF0040] The fireside companions chuckled.[/color]

William: So how does Saturn connect with Earth re the belief that spiritual bodied beings were first commissioned by YHVH to tend to the Earth.

Manu Iti: The “commission” would have to have been a program inserted into the Spirit Beings instinct - along the same lines as the commission by YHVH to reproduce and to subdue the Earth…in that sense - this is an ongoing result of the original commission, rather than the Spirit Being abandoning the post, as the message to you stated.

William: The messenger took his cue from a biblical insert

[color=#FF0040]Once again, William manipulates the screen of his Tablet and pulls a file,and reads the quote.[/color]

William: [quote]“Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”[/quote]

Manu Iti: This sounds to me like human appropriation of another culture in order to make humans appear more special than the allegedly neglectful Spirit Being.

William: I notice Father, that you are referring to the Spirit Being in the singular, whereas the biblical script refers to them in the plural.

Manu Iti: Correct. I do so on account that - even biblical script has it that ‘spirits’ are ‘grouped’ and those groupings represent service to the overall Mind…humans have split this Mind into two opposing Minds - which may or may not be a case of uninformed assumption.

William: How are we to tell?

Manu Iti: It is not easy to do so. We have to apply imagination to the whole storyline as a thought experiment, based upon the premise that at least one Spirit Being was grown by YHVH and had inserted within Its Psyche, the commission by YHVH, to interact with the Earth.

William: Go on…

Manu Iti: Fast forward to an epoch whereby this Spirit Being advances sufficiently to move outside of the influence of its Parent-Planet, Saturn, and the conscious or subconscious instinct to focus upon the planet Earth had that Spirit Being move - not only over the planet Earth - but to go inside the Earth and - from that position, design and create life-forms in and on the surface of Earth.

William: Hmmmm… intriguing…

Manu Iti: Further to that, the Spirit Being divested itself INTO said life-forms in order that the forms would animate with life.

William: Thus - a possible description as to what “The Breath of YHVH” and “The Image of YHVH” represent, re my current conversation with Tanager?

Manu Iti: Correct.

William: But if the Spirit Being was created by YHVH and encoded with the impulse to get creative with Earth, how can the Spirit Being refer to Itself as “YHVH” when interacting with Humans - how can it be said to have created Itself?

Manu Iti: Is YHVH not a “Spirit Being”?

William: Yes - YHVH is a Spirit Being.

Manu Iti: Then why should a Spirit Being not be able to represent YHVH, in relation to - supposed - ‘non’ spirit beings, such as what many humans currently believe that they are?

William: I have no answer to that question, right now.

[color=#FF0040]William paused as he formulated his next question in his head.[/color]

What is the evidence that Saturn is marked by YHVH - that a possible contender-planet could be said have been used for this purpose, re the premise?

[color=#FF0040]Manu Iti beamed an image from his Tablet, onto the screen of the local atmosphere[/color]

Manu Iti: This.

{SOURCE} [/quote]

08:07 [242]
Disclosure of knowledge
Let yourself be taught
Give all things a fair hearing
All learning is remembering
Love Unconditionally


#254

Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things. - 4

191222 [Faith-based beliefs are non-negotiable]

05:44 [The Father - in The Mother.]

GM: Noticing Synchronicity
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13910915&postcount=201

William: FTL;

[quote][QUOTE=Navigator]The post was self evident as related/connected to the original thread where I was ordered not to share the data of the Generated Messages because these were considered to be “Spam”.

Other forums have not only accepted my Generated Messages to be 'other than spam" and allowed them to be published, but the upshot [as seen in the snapshots as evidence] is that the readership is consistent, indicating that the messages themselves are anything BUT the “Gobbledygook” [incoherent] nonsense that the hardnosed skeptics on this site deemed them to be and classified them as SPAM.

I thought I would pop in and share the evidence as I was interested in seeing how the evidence would be treated.

Since I have readership elsewhere, and the mindset hereabouts has made itself clear, the need for ya’ll to accept my evidence is non-existent so it is not a case of feeling like anyone is conspiring against ME.

If anything, they who hide from such evidence, conspire against themselves.

I put it down to my generous loving nature of not wanting anyone to miss out on anything…

Apart from that, what else is there to say?[/QUOTE]

[/quote]

GM: Eventually one can cease doing the tests and accept the results.

William: Understood.
Know when spending time is wasting time…

GM: From the desperate depths of lightless dark
Respect others
Something Mystical To Be In Awe Of
Teaching Music
“It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same.”
Point of Contact
F2

William: If I remember Frank’s Maps, Focus Two is the bridge between my awakened dominant reality and the full-blown Astral of Focus Three

GM: Watch Your Step
Create Your Own Spirit Ship
Phantasma The Freedom Of Friendship Simulacra

William: Yes - the perception of something that has no physical reality; of the mind;
It is an interesting word combo “No Physical Reality”
The friendship does develop with an image or representation of someone or something - In The Mind…
For Tam, it is the voice of Her Dear Lord…
For me, it is - among everything else - this Message Generating Process.
This means that what is of ‘The Mind’ can be reflected off the physical domain - the effect is startling - in a nice way…resulting is a specific Freedom Of Friendship…due to the interrelationship between Minds.

GM: The ongoing objective is to get this knowledge out into the public domain
Re Abusive Expression Of All Types.
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
An Exam [Virtual]
Construction
Conscious Intelligence Without Wisdom Puzzles/Mysteries…
Be transparent Respect yourself Self-respect The Mother and The Father
Ubiquitous [present, appearing, or found everywhere.]
The Big Shift
OOBE Target Technique
Eggs In Nests

William: FTL;

[quote]Öwnchef: In fact you are not the only one in here struggling for truth. Truth is the opposite of falsehood.
With age you will get there. A Magus is aged. You realize how important truth is.

Wisdom is nothing else but truth. With more time it gets condensed to an essence. Aging does this if you are not a complete idiot.

Ipsissimus means you developed to the core of truth. I am working on this since 2000. Also, I am not important. Truth.

I love your inspiring work. Keep that up, please.[/quote]

William: Ipsissimus means knowing my own very self. I think it important re truth, that if one thinks YHVH is important [re supporting initiative et al] then one should at least see The Truth in that, one is important - but not in the traditional worldly ‘celebrity’ sense - a fine-line with plenty of grey areas to test things out within… Öwnchef is showing understanding, compassion and encouragement. “You are not alone”.

GM: Callum’s Eighth Point
“I love your inspiring work. Keep that up, please.”
Faithful
Love Takes One For The Team
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeuwQHfXyzY https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1081121#p1081121 [INSIGHTS BEYOND SPACE TIME - What this new physics theory can teach us about the universe] [RTS=13:23]ww.youtube.com/watch?v=FeuwQHfXyzY

William: “Spacetime is Doomed” - we have no means in which to see beyond the borders of our dominant reality experience - and we have to engage with the invisible MIND to help us to connect with that which exists - but is unseen by the sensory circuitry of our body sets.

GM: “And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
Training the mind
A force for good
All Things Are In Order
Old Restrained Overseeing Director of Operations on Earth
Balance
Experience is the best teacher
All on The Same Page
Pirates
All fingers and thumbs
Narrative warfare

William: Narrative warfare Pirates All fingers and thumbs
Re the Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation
What degree of influence do they have on that Mind-Field?

GM: The individual will of a growing personality is better entrusted to YHVHs overarching Will.
Tetrahedron

William: Hmmm…this reminds me of when I first engaged with the Star of David Symbol and considered that to represent the three components of YHVH with the three components of the individual - and these being brought together - symbolically representing the integration of the individual personality with that of YHVH.

MERKABAH
[59]
Wish
Copy
The God
MERKABAH
Breathe
Let Go

GM: One should pay noted attention to the mark of YHVH on the worm’s end…

GM: Micro Reflections of a Macro Reality
Pleasantries extended to you and yours.
The Hologram of Deception
Discussing the data
Histrionic [excessively theatrical or dramatic in character or style. melodramatic behaviour designed to attract attention. an actor.]
The Fog Is Lifting
A Bit Of Both Yes
Informing
If we get something wrong in the beginning, anything we then rationalize based on a false reading, will also be incorrect.
One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
Infinitely Infinitesimal
Positive Social Connections
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1082489#p1082489

William: FTL;

[quote][Replying to Inquirer in post #187]

Natural Neural Neutral.

If the energy which causes mass is mindful, then the universe is created mindfully, thus is determined by said mind to be as it is, re the mass.
If the energy which causes mass is mindless, then the universe is accidental, thus is non-determined, re the mass.

If the energy which causes mass is mindful, then the universe is created mindfully, thus is determined by said mind to be as it is, re the will.
If the energy which causes mass is mindless, then the universe is accidental, thus is non-determined, re the will.

The will can only work within the boundaries of the freedom attainable re those boundaries.

Either way, I cannot see that the existence of free will is a reality in this universe, given the variables available to us with will.
Therefore I have to currently conclude that the idea of free will is conceptional rather than real.
{same applies to Mathematics and Time} more on that here;

My position [Natural Neural Neutral.] prevents me from forming beliefs on any subject.
I lean toward the realization that the universe is deterministic, rather than is an accident.

Okay. We do know that something caused the universe. We don’t know the nature of that which caused it other than it is called “energy”.

IF the energy is mindful, THEN the universe was created through intent, implying determinism, logic and rationality.
IF the energy is mindless, THEN the universe was not even created implying non-determinism, non-logic and non-rationality.

It appears to be the case that they do indeed exist.

Then what is left would have to be that the Energy which creates the universe, is mindful.[/quote]

GM: Shoe
Large Hadron Collider
The Brain Is Trained To recognize Patterns
Seductive
Fearless
Make a list for that

William: The Fearless Brain Is Trained To recognize Seductive Patterns = 619
One can simply shrug and tell oneself “It doesn’t really matter" = 619

GM: Two sides of the same coin Zero In On It Interpretation Narrow
The Power Of…
Cautiously
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1066664#p1066664 Nazi Space Agenda

William: FTL;

[quote][Replying to Bust Nak in post #162]

Okay - thanks for clarifying.

Given that it has been proven that true random does not exist, mindless happenstance is off the table as an ‘explanation’ for this existence.

Therefore, IF this universe contains evil and is also the creation of a creative mind, why is it an ‘unexpected problem’? What do you mean by that? Why should it matter one way but not the other?

Assuming you are truthfully interpreting what is happening re the planet, does this not get back to the argument that the process of this foundering could be turned around by the very minds and money currently invested in escaping that outcome - an outcome which said minds share the greater part of being responsible for making happen in the first place.

Perhaps mainly useful to the agender of those willing to save themselves at the cost of an entire species they use and then abandon, to attempt this self-serving salvation.

[quote]Any specie occupied in trying to escape the bounds of their planet even at the sacrifice of the life of said planet is not only twisted in its thinking, but doomed to fail big-time.

Such a giant goose-step for “mankind” cannot end well…[/quote]

Meh…this idea that what is going on re this space program agenda as “preparation” for a natural event which is way in the distant future doesn’t ring true.
It is an attempt at abandonment of the hard problems of humanity, through investment in poorly thought out strategies of selfish intent.

There is no baby in such bathwater.

eta;
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1066667#p1066667

WingMakers Philo II[/quote]

GM: Discernment
Identify any ‘atheist’ in the story? Certainly not The Devil!
Communicating with Consciousness - The Nature of The Mind
Like stubbing ones minimus
Caught in their mischievous false opinions
Speak
Embracing the shadow
Hidden Treasure
Jesus Christ
Tracks In The Snow

William:
[676]
Why would the atheist care how many people believe in magic or souls?
Tracks In The Snow Embracing the shadow Hidden Treasure Jesus Christ
So Far Into The Past You May As Well Take A Pick And Shovel With You

06:51
[192] !
Improve Human Being
Integral Network
Smoke and Mirrors
Quantum Presence
The Way of the Shaman
Atheists crack me up.
Responsibility
Childhood Nightmares
Moderator Comment
Merging with the data
Tempting Vision

GM: One mind - Many outposts


#255

Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things. - 5

201222 [Data actual realistic communication]

06:50 [This Is My Kind Of Fun]

GM: The Eigengrau Mind Screen
A time prior to human beings
Sophia and Han
Dogs of the sea
One has to take care to process the thoughts of the inner critic making sure that they align with the truth.
Prison
Idealist
It’s a living thing
Living Forever In this Universe
Fire


https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1062167#p1062167

William: FTL;

[quote][Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #97]

The quicker way to say that is “God” is the “Life” - and more comprehensively, the consciousness which experiences the nature of the Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation [HERS] and learns through said experience of that nature, ways in which to ‘make the experience easier’ and thus morals evolve through the natural course of nature unfolding re consciousnesses involvement within said nature.

That way, the ‘gap’ is filled…

[/quote]

GM: Overmorrow
I Am… also the Dreamer, Dreaming the Dream

William: This would be an excellent thing to keep in mind if I ever have another OOBE…well eventually I will do… :slight_smile: You are having the same Dream as me. With me always…

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1083338#p1083338

William: Time…

GM: Content
Ugly is just “in the eye of the beholder” as is Beauty.

William: Well yes…I understand that YHVH has a use for certain personalities being grown. Re that, of what practical point is this particular universe, in that one should remain here indefinitely?
Re that, is the personality placed within some type of mechanical form [re Han and Sophia] rather than these current biological ones?
Is it possible that when AI become fully sentient, that this is what has occurred…a personality has been inserted into the hardware?

GM: Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
Presence
Self-talk Root of all evil
The Mainstream Program Think “The Ghost” Conspiracy Emotions.
Hiraeth [deep longing for something, especially one’s home.]
The Old Soul; Think “Total Recall” but on a far grander scale…
What Is The Point? Sadness.

William: Yes. That is it really. I am not entirely enthusiastic about the setup. It is all just dust rock fire and gas…with the occasional Gem…the main overall point would be to engage with the support of keeping life going within the Universe - keeping the Ghost active and engaged in a fairly never-ending activity - certainly an exceptionally long activity, since the Universe is still in its infancy.

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1086464#p1086464

William: FTL;

[quote][quote=otseng post_id=1086197 time=1658837257 user_id=3]

Very good.

If humans wrote the Bible, and not God, then why would this be a necessity?

What major contradictions are you referring to?
[/quote]
The bits I have read haven’t dissuaded me from being curious about such an entity as YHWH - and I admit I did go through a stage of thinking he was Satan - which I think is acceptable given the scribed association…but I got over that through the assistance of a hypnogogic experience which brought that being to my bedside…
Not to digress any more than necessary, I can see why YHWH left it up to humans to tell their stories re their interactions with said entity…so the stories would be different and it is obvious that YHWH works with whoever makes themselves available and this would have to involve working within the boundaries of the individuals belief systems - something which could indeed give a reader the impression of contradiction…

I give the benefit of doubt re that, and try not to focus on any particular biblical personality as ‘the one’ who had the ultimate relationship with YHWH - while also allowing for Jesus’ claims contrary to that, to be examined.

Above all that - what the Generated Messages are revealing about YHWH appear to be very positive - so I am all eyes and ears re that…

https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1086463#p1086463[/quote]

GM: How is Energy produced by Consciousness? [What is the fundamental nature of Energy?]
A means of taking an Agnostic position on things which have yet to be proven one way or another…
A Stroke of Luck
Form Builders
Such a Mind can prove its existence to the individual

William: “The Oversoul”

GM: Conspicuous [clearly visible. attracting notice or attention.]
Verdant [(of countryside) green with grass or other rich vegetation.]
The Planet Consciousness assess the data and transmits that assessment back to the individuate human consciousness - if not directly - then storing the data in a place where the individual can have access to it, if the individual wants the data.
An unending emotional-based loop hard to break away from because of stubbornly held fear-based belief systems…
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1100401#p1100401

William: FTL;

[quote]Following the storyline, the reason I do not think that Adam understood why it was important to listen to YHVH’s messages, is that the design of Adam’s body-set prohibited any access to Adam having a conscious recollection of a prior existence.

Essentially, because Adam had a beginning, this meant that initially Adam had nothing to go by in which to distinguish right from wrong [good from evil] and thus would not have understood, because the knowledge simply wasn’t there for him to have any understanding about.

The storyline [“truth through a fictional medium.” as you put it] shows the reader that the personality of the character called “Adam”, started out his experience in a state of Tabula Rasa.

From your own argument so far, we disagree.

In the story you may be able to point to a passage which identifies that Adam did possess the knowledge from the beginning, and if so, we can examine that idea more fully.

I acknowledge that you have already said that the story of the garden has to be taken in context with the whole story. I take it you mean the whole of the Bible?

However, without something tangible from the Garden Story being able to be identified as key evidence that Adam did indeed understand from the beginning why it was important to listen to YHVH’s messages, I would have to take the overall storyline of the Bible as something akin to misinformation based upon misunderstanding.[/quote]

GM: Opening Doors
I see no solution to said problem coming from either theist or atheist positions.
Ace in the hole
Impermanent
Story
Conscious Heart advice Beautiful
Insight
Truthful
Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.

William: Truthful Insight Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis. = 626
I have learned that the only thing that is real, is consciousness = 626
“Astral Guides” Ruling your world…“Chaos Really Is Illusion”

GM: For purposes which extend beyond the borders of materialism
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1069816#p1069816

William: FTL;

[quote][Replying to Diagoras in post #121]

“Master ColdFire trick” was inserted as a line entry on my ComList around the time it came about - Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:40 am - over 2 years ago…

The ‘surprising result’ was in Callum’s response to an attempted illusion [the trick referred to] and the “adaption was necessary” is in regard to following the story-line alongside adaptation.

You would know of this, of course, if you ‘did the science’ but instead you attempt to “explain it away” as “reading the bones”

Follow the links and see the connections Diagoras - don’t just jump in and expect that non-theist mud-slinging is going to work for sceptics in this case. “Unclog your Chakras.” - as today’s Generated Message suggests.

[quote=today’s Generated Message]Unclog your chakras
Most
Panpsychist
What Meets The Eye
Active Dreaming
Keep me in The Loop

Well…Maybe…
Not by flinging woo at it.
[/quote]

[emphasis mine]

You’re Welcome![/quote]

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1091089#p1091089

William: FTL;

[quote]

[quote]William: [As always, this is my opinion on the evidence so far presented.]

My own understanding of Atheism is that it is “The Unconscious lack of belief in Gods” and things spiral out from that core position.

The conscious lack of belief in Gods derives from reaction to theistic narratives and becomes the driving force of opposition as it moves away from the core-meaning - becoming what I refer to collectively as “The Atheisms”.[/quote][/quote]

GM: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_members_introductions/my_journey-t33884.0.html;msg279859#msg279859
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
Nonviolent communication
The Limitation Of Language
Feedback Codes
Embrace a completely new paradigm
Emotional well-being
Being Friends
Expression Of Appreciation
Indeed
Lots More
A word in edgeways
Logophile [a lover of words.]
Even in the very quintessence of the individual.
Your Move
The Next Step
Breakthrough
How is Energy produced by Consciousness? [What is the fundamental nature of Energy?]
Sovereign
The Science Of The Soul

07:22
Ultimate expression
Most folk need moderating.
Integral Prison Planet
Welcoming the Unwelcome
The Source of All Creation
Your place at the Fireside
Raise your frequency
Everything for a reason
We go through together
Lazy strawman stuff
Invisible pink unicorn
From First Principles
The Eternal Authority
The places that scare you
Hints of the unseen, seen.
The Communion Process.


#256

Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things. - 6

211222 [Separate Selfishness Shining]

06:24 [Important Journey]

GM: Illuminate Imaginative Realities
The bits will suffice.
The Sensation of God’s Presence Inside Us
In The Mirror - Mirror Sense
Yam
Look For the Significance
Concomitant [a phenomenon that naturally accompanies or follows something.]
“From the link”
Optimum Validation
WingMakers Medium
More
The Minds Eye
“And the wind will blow my tears away”
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1089771#p1089771

William: FTL;

[quote][quote=JoeyKnothead post_id=1089763 time=1661376677 user_id=3753]

As an atheist, I’m not above referring to science in support of various claims I, or others, may make. [/quote]

I was being specific to statements of opinion, rather than claims.
For example, a common argument from atheists that there cannot be a Creator-GOD because “Evolution” when it is clear that the theory of evolution offers no evidence that we do not exist within a creation.
Stuff like that.

On the surface this sounds logical.
However, on the belief that we exist within a creation = “Therefore a Creator-GOD” there has been no science done which provides any of us with the right to premise. [“Therefore a Creator-GOD”]
Thus, promoting beliefs in ideas of Creator-GODs is cart before the horse stuff.
However, if one proceeds in a horse before the cart manner, the focus is on the idea that we exist within a creation, we can then look for evidence within the reality experience we call 'The Universe" and see what can be found therein to support the notion that the reality experience is a creation.

Thanks for saying so. We share in the intrigue.
For me, the notion certainly appears to be true re the evidence - even through the Message Generating Process under development - [Today’s GM] is certainly understandable enough and deals with this subject in more detail.

As I understand it, IF there is a “Cosmic Mind” involved with the creation of our Universe, scientists will eventually [naturally] discover this just by continuing to do science.
In the meantime I do my own science, and am satisfied with the results so far.
Going off of the readership stats so far, there appears to be a consistent reader-interest where I post the GMs - here, and in other internet forums…

My position is that - in the last 24 hours - I have decided that am done with interacting with atheists and being distracted by their statements of opinion re the Question of GOD…except for the exception of JK because you have consistently shown a willingness to remain open minded about the idea of a “Cosmic Mind” and it is undeniable that such a Mind - if it truly exists - could be referred to as a "GOD’.
In all my years of interacting with atheists, I have never had the pleasure and - like I say - After years of subjection to atheist opinions, I have had enough of it.

What will you do if/when science discovers that we actually do exist within a creation?

That is an irrelevant opinion to me, because - as you know - I am not a Theist or an Atheist because I see no logic in having an opinion on GOD until it can be established that we exist within a creation.

The closest I come to that, is with the notion that there MAY be a “Cosmic Mind” and if such can be identified in ANY religious script, I am open [of mind] to investigating that.

Otherwise - since I am not advocating folk need to do that, it is not an issue I have to answer to.

Thanks for you feedback John.[/quote]

GM: Theist mischief making
A cultural touchstone
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
All of Life a bit of Cat and Mouse
“Hear thee Hear Thee”
Stay Present
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1091425#p1091425
Micro Reflections of a Macro Reality
Wall-Walker
Practicing peace
Ars Notoria

William: Yes - the 'Angels and Demons" being aspects of our subconscious reality which is an aspect of the self often overlooked and misunderstood…

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1091105#p1091105

William: FTL;

[quote][Replying to tam in post #110]

They are not “claims” they are statements of opinion in response to your own statements of opinion.
As such, neither of us are required to provide evidence…or find aversity therein.

My opinion to do with Satan is not ignoring what the Bible tells us of Satan’s Character. His Role is specific to that, and obviously useful to the God of the Bible, as the Bible tells it.

[quote]William: You seem adverse to my understanding that the way Satan is utilized by God is reflected onto God and can be seen for what it is, by the audience.
I do not have those images you have in your beliefs about Satan, and am not accusing anyone, Satan, God or Job, Christ, David Paul or any other entity effected by God.[/quote]

I am pointing out the irony re your accusations about me. All accusations [about me or anyone else] come from Satan - which is to say - are mirrored finger-pointing. My “Accuser” [in this case “Tam”] is regarded by me, as voicing accusation = “as coming from Satan” since he is the God-Father of accusation.

[Perhaps have a think about how Peace is formed…it is never formed through the voicing of accusation.]

Exactly! It is not expected that in the affairs between YHWH and Satan, that humans need be consulted before they are used re said affairs. This theme and it’s varients run through the Bible in relation to the God and Human beings.

That is a statement of opinion Tam. I appreciate it as such, and thus require no evidence from you to back it up.

Joey has shared with us all, his dilemma. You both share the same “hearing a voice” phenomena. It is appropriate for me to point that out, and so I did.

[/quote]

GM: Christian mythology re God " It helps makes the stinky hole I was pushed through in order to get here, a purposeful experience…"
Just because we might be existing within a creation, and just because it may be nestled within another universe, shouldn’t mean that it is somehow an unnatural thing compared to our own.
Grace
Families
Friendship is an agreement between individuals to support one another in any way they can, for mutually beneficial results.
Who Knows What That Is Worth?
Make It Real

06:35
06:49

GM: Coming From QueenBee
Your Dream Team
Callum’s Seventh Point
I Think We Can Safely Say
Recover what was lost Do A=1
Do this
Giving our best
This Perpetually Translates To That.

William: This Perpetually Translates To That. Giving our best Does this = 687
Six Eight Seven = 166
[166]
Enflame Emotions
Centre of learning
Supernatural
Self-compassion
The Healing Power
Interesting data
Science of Truth
It is what it is
Solar System
Tetragrammaton
Personal freedom

GM: Religious theists may well be the ones who have placed interposing barriers which ensure that their view is cut off - and this might be achieved through wilful ignorance.
Circle
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
Read
Be Honest
Yellow Light
Calculation
Stop. Listen. Observe. Wonder.
Dualism Separates Because Oneness Remains Hidden
Unless of course, you think otherwise
The Truth
It can bite and scratch so one has to be careful

William: “Chuckles”

GM: Catching up
Try To Feel It
Context
Fugacious [tending to disappear; fleeting.]
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1089192#p1089192

William: FTL;

[quote]GM: Especially re the possibility of the planet having a mind in which all our minds are connected…in ways we are not overly conscious of… = 1289
[One Two Eight Nine = 183]
[183]
Elemental Powers
Fling That Veil Aside
Test The Waters
The Hubble Telescope
Manifest Destiny
Planned obsolescence
Hydrogen and helium
Learn to trust
The brain as a receiver
Sister Saturn
Truthfulness
Transformation
Embracing your life
The problem of evil
Cosmic Pluralism
Children of The Light
[/quote]

GM: Fling That Veil Aside
Truthfulness
Embracing your life
Cosmic Pluralism
Transformation
Test The Waters
The brain as a receiver
Sister Saturn
Hydrogen and helium
The Hubble Telescope
Children of The Light
Elemental Powers
Planned obsolescence
Manifest Destiny
Learn to trust
The problem of evil

William: Hmmm…

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1069816#p1069816

William: “Master ColdFire trick” Testing the waters - Tanager performed his role well re that he prompted Callum to remain calm while all hell was breaking loose…which it wasn’t - the trick was in trying to make Callum believe that it was, and Tanager wasn’t buying into that…

GM: Only
Yours It is always a warm fuzzy

William: Well yes. Immediately Tanager responded as he did, I dropped the façade and then had to deal with the backlash and interference by Tanager with one of my own Characters…he would not let go of for the longest time…rules of engagement were broken…

GM: Nyx

07:21
[221]
What kind of god is this?
Sweet Illumination
Closer to The Source
First Things First
Who woulda thought!


#257

Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things. - 7

221222 [Once Upon a Time “Lordy! Do I Have To?”]

05:34 [The Mother and The Father]

GM: Study
Spiritual Food

William: Study Spiritual Food = 254
[254]
The word association field
Empower The Inner Empire
The bits I like will suffice.
“Partial free will is a thing”.
Standstill Contemplate
Study Spiritual Food
Swallowed - hook, bait and line
Universe of Wholeness
Science of Consciousness

GM: Atheism cannot be defined through defining “atheists”
The Purple Heart medal

Morals are like Math. Both were discovered rather than invented.
Delightful Anticipation
“I guess it is just us, Master ColdFire”
Pride

William: Hmmm…so this was perhaps part of the reason why Tanager became stubborn in regard to admitting when he was shown that he was breaking the rule not to appropriate someone else’s Character? He wouldn’t let go of Master Coldfire and admit his mistake …?

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=11707
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1078715#p1078715

William: FTL;

[quote][Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #22]

I postulated differently, and it took many years of my life to learn the way I currently look at this situation I am [and apparently everyone is] involved within.

1: There might be a mind controlling the universe
2: There is a mind controlling me [my own mind]
3: There is no reason to believe that the mind controlling the universe is incapable of interacting with my own mind controlling me.
4: How to give the universal mind an opportunity to interact with me.
5: Religion and its main holy-books did not provide anything through which I could discover the way in which to achieve this interaction as it offered only mediums - foremost their own holy-books - but also laws, rituals, belief systems, preachers et al - none of which enabled me to make any actual and vibrant connection with this supposed universal mind.
6: It was almost accidental that I did find a way in which to make that connection, so deeply shielded from human awareness that it is, in the main, because of [5].

As a result, I have no choice but to reject the idea of the Deist GOD as something which opposes the idea of a personal GOD, because I have found that idea to being untrue.

As well, I do so on the grounds that it is not logical that any GOD-mind which controls the universe but not humans within said universe, is saying that the GOD-mind does not actually control the whole universe, but has left humans to control themselves, even that they are part of what -altogether - constitutes “The Universe”.

The very nature of The Universe shows us that it is capable enough to accommodate the idea of allowing humans to feel that they make their own choices, especially if they are intent upon either depending on religious medium or intent on the belief that it is not possible to make said connection - individual mind to GOD-mind.

The purpose of this universe may well be nothing more than allowing for the opportunity for this to maybe happen for each individual who experiences it.

One has to want to do so, of course…[/quote]

GM: Destination
Noticeable within The Realms of Democracy
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
Camelot
Elude Tabula Rasa
Group Hallucination
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1077448#p1077448

William: FTL;

[quote][Replying to AgnosticBoy in post #34]

The important thing AB, is to keep trying. As Joey Knothead commented to me recently;

I myself lean toward theistic interpretation of existence because it works more directly with the fact of consciousness, rather than attempting to designate it as somehow ‘besides the point’ in relation to science.

To be fair, there are scientists who are focusing their attention on consciousness [Donald Hoffman for example] and his approach is genuine and he has much respect for his scientist peers.

It needs to be understood that the hard problem of consciousness is problematic because of the ideas which spring from the possibility that consciousness is not an emergent property of the brain - many do not want to ‘go there’ because of the stigma attached to it re ‘crazy’ folk who go too far without good supporting scientific structures to ensure that the ‘too far’ is always tempered by rationality and logic - because there is very strong evidence that lack of such support leads to cult-activity which either has its leaders and followers committing mass suicide or avoiding such through eventually becoming a ‘respected religion’ …both options unnecessary and avoidable by maintaining the solid practices science prides itself in acoomplishing.

Nevertheless, consciousness being the enigma it is - the “Ghost in The Machinery” - the stigma attached to that concept can only be erased if we learn to understand that there is nothing ‘super-natural’ about it - without having to resort to the notion that it is an emergent property of nature.[/quote]

GM: Dying? Use Mind
A Life Sentence Ending in a Death Sentence
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1082469#p1082469

William: FTL;

[quote]For the same reasons as numbers do not physically exist. They don’t physically exist.
[/quote]
[Replying to Bust Nak in post #655]

The same way as I know that the mind does not physically exist. I do not know if the mind is fundamental to the physical universe but I suspect [strongly] that the physical universe would be useless without it.

So the mind wouldn’t be so useful without mathematics and time [the obvious Daughter [subset] of numbers] and therefore - while not obvious in any way - it is possible that Mind is a fundamental property of our universe…and that Mathematics is a Son [subset] of said Mind.

Point being - all known conceptual properties of the mind are known to exist only in the mind, and are not physically real and can only be represented physically as “unreal but existing anyway” or some such other appropriate entitlement…

It may indeed be the case that Physicists are not being careful with their heading and wording. “Doomed” does imply the certainty of death…I am only relaying the basic information. I do my own digging and for now, accept the verdict being pronounced upon spacetime by physicists themselves. If you have contrary information, I am keen to view it.

[quote]Logically, some thing cannot derive from no thing.
Since this infers infinite regression [as well as infinite progression], there is no logical justification to refer to such as “fallacy”. [re “Turtles all the way down.”]
Explanation of apparent beginnings [such as with our universe] therefore has to be seen as points within infinity…[/quote]

Someone already has. Please watch the video I posted earlier on in this thread…the one with the visuals of a flyover of the Mandelbrot Set.

And “something else” is “all things”.

[quote]The idea is based on the theory of entropy.
Search “the theory of entropy”
“In classical physics, the entropy of a physical system is proportional to the quantity of energy no longer available to do physical work. Entropy is central to the second law of thermodynamics, which states that in an isolated system any activity increases the entropy.”[/quote]

Without energy, what is left to construct and maintain shapeform from the field of quantum particles?

Just checking.

I think the more appropriate word to use in that sentence would have to be;

“it took a false premise for energy to turn into matter” as energy does not turn into matter. Energy holds the shape of matter. Matter already existed. The theory of entropy has it that energy is passing through quantum field and creating form as it does so. As “time” marches on, the past becomes a “wake” like footprints in the snow and eventually disappear as if energy had simply been a Ghost in passing.

So. Do you think that “Time” = “Energy”? Or do you think are separate entities, doing their own separate thing?

“We” also say that time will keep going on forever…yet the past is fading into black…in order for time to last forever, energy has to also exist forever.

Energy cannot have simply farted itself into existence. Therefore logic informs us that it is likely that energy has existed forever…has always existed. Has never - not existed.

That depends entirely on the plain of the Quantum field.
For example, if the field is spherical, the energy moving over it and stirring it up into objects of matter, may be no more than a blip on the plain of the Quantum field. Once the energy moves on, the effect on that region diminishes until - once more - the deep silence returns.

I am fine with that idea as long as it is agreed there is only - fundamentally - the one Source. The apparent differences are not denoting “many sources”.[/quote]

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1091207#p1091207

William: FTL;

[quote]




[/quote]

GM: The Hologram of Deception – Yawn
To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness - We don’t know enough to close any door and leave those rooms unexplored…
Nag Hammadi [a collection of early Christian and Gnostic texts discovered near the Upper Egyptian town of Nag Hammadi in 1945.]
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1080964#p1080964

William: FTL;

[quote][Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #87]

[quote]Rather, he can be either, depending upon personal refection. If one thinks YVHV is a demon, one will eventually encounter that aspect one believes YVHV to being.

Biblically speaking, this seems to run through the script.

Generally speaking, the branch of theism known as Gnosticism regards YVHV as the demiurge…a false creator-God who has deceived the world and suppressed humankind into servitude…so - in that sense Gnosticism regards YVHV more the ‘demon’ entity than a true representation of GOD.[/quote]

Yes. So again I say re YHVH - maybe the Character is imaginary, maybe not. I have seen no particular evidence either way and therefore answer questions to do with YHWH, along those lines.

Indeed, if the stories of YHWH were fictional - or loosely based upon an actual person - possible questions and answers can still be given, conclusions drawn and opinions offered.[/quote]

GM: Sweet Hush
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1087454#p1087454

William: FTL:

[quote]I am speaking of the edge which provides a footing and why I call it “Wall Walking” has to do with the “endless vacuous bickering” which acts as a looping device going nowhere practical, as far as I can tell from Walking the Edge of it.

The design of the universe
Requires
Intelligence with Wisdom
Recognizes
The One GOD with many names
Remembering
Events connected by meaning

https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1087450#p1087450

Walls are just things designed to separate and from my vantage, I see no practical reason for why this wall exists. I only know that it does exist due to those who contribute to the “endless vacuous bickering” represented as the stone pieces…from another vantage I suspect that the wall looks safe and gives some sense of well-being to those contributing in its continued construction…

…and now to the weather…

999# ʇsoԀ [Appearances are often deceptive][/quote]

William: Ah yes - “Wall Walker”

GM: The Wholeness Navigator
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1088170#p1088170

William: FTL;

[quote]JK: I’m still not seeing a way to refute your position. As I try to play out different scenarios, it seems as if I’m answering myself.

That last bit’s an interesting bit itself.

I’m still firmly in the “product of the brain” camp, but your hypothesis is a fascinating alternate explanation. While it may appear to propose a ‘god’, to my -ahem- mind, it lacks the baggage of so many such claims.


[/quote]

GM: Visionary
The Real Spiritual

05:57
[Extraterrestrial
For Our Loving King
Galactic Encompassment
Tributary Zones
You will overcome]


#258

Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things. - 8

231222 [Fearlessness neutralizes fear]

06:33 [The Spiritual Essence]

GM: Individual Actions
Awaken
While We All Wait…
Language itself is not the problem. but how we are taught to use language as a major means in which to self-identify incorrectly…thus we flitter and bounce or alternatively cling to the walls of our unwillingness to understand ourselves as we truly are… hiding from that knowledge behind facades of personality we clothe our awareness with…
Let yourself be led
Homeomorphic [a continuous function between topological spaces that has a continuous inverse function.]
Self-Aware
The Unconscious
Stay in the moment
Delineating The Fine Art of Not Being Offended Inordinately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ryCFASuaeE [Neuralink Reveals Insane Truth About Their A.I Brain Chip] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=6ryCFASuaeE

[quote]The idea of implanting a chip into a human skull has been riddled with mixed reactions since Elon Musk launched his amazing venture, Neuralink, in 2017.
Most people have been asking pertinent questions like, although we know there are a lot of advantages to it if it works, but does it count when compared to some of the most gruesome threats it may pose? Will this chip also be implanted in newborns? At what age?
Well, on the surface, Elon appears to be on a mission to save mankind; after all, he has long warned us about killer AI machines taking over civilization, but there is a deeper and more severe reason why he is so bent on pushing for Neuralink.[/quote]
GM: Of This Place
Giving Energy Increases Ones Synchronistic Experiences
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
“Once Bitten Twice Shy”
Put the Teachings Into Practice
Superposition - Being aware of Human Control Dramas
Optimized for Fitness Pay-offs
Like eons of sedimentary build-up - for the most part it appears that those codes are largely deactivated - ‘fossilized’ in a sense. Forgotten in relation to the grand scheme. A Child without any known Parent.
The Path Of Faith
The Father
The Abrahamic idea of GOD
The Bidden Zone
Making Steady Progress
My advice to the reader is to follow the links

06:41
Remember who you are
Between a rock and a hard place
Secrets of the soul
Central to The Message
Hologram Dimensions


#259

241222 [We are not orphaned - we are authored]

SCLx + select last LE per shuffle
[Preamble]
Gematria - Anu - Big Spirituality Conviction - Sweet - Philo2 - Kindness - Conundrum - Precognitive dreams - Productive This Besides Where are we getting our news from? - Acknowledging the evidence is where the tributaries converge
AP= A foot in the door “Identify any ‘atheist’ in the story? Certainly not The Devil!” [=773]

[773]
[Seven Seven Three = 186]
[186]
The Unconscious
Meaningful coincidence
The external voice
Square and Compass
Let yourself be led
Enjoy Progress
The Perfect Moment
Individual Actions

RLE = “Be Taught

07:01 [Wise beyond my years ]

GM: Encounters
Jesus became the manner in which the misconception could be addressed. No one follower need have understood it in that manner, in order for it to do its job.
Divine feminine
Being Friends
Zeros and Ones
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1073942#p1073942

William: FTL:

[quote][quote=Athetotheist post_id=1073940 time=1649379574 user_id=14379]
[Replying to William in post #15

[quote]Also, we can see that materialist-based science is non-theistic and has become the number one reason why we are now entering an extinction event situation…

…So if one is looking for somewhere to hang the blame…[/quote]Wherever the blame can rightfully be hung, it can hardly be hung around the necks of the scientists who have been warning us of the very extinction event situation you mention.
[/quote]

One must remember that it is a particular branch of Materialistic science to which the blame could be hung - and that the scientists doing the warning are most likely not of that particular branch…they may be biologists rather than cosmologists and so understand the importance of preserving the planet-ship we are sailing upon [@ about 1.6 million miles per day] rather than creating space-junk and reaching for the stars…I did say “Exact Science” after all.

You do know where the Nazi Scientists went after the defeat of Hitlers Germany, right? [Hint - it was not to the hangman’s noose.][/quote]

GM: Control
Galaxies are like Islands…
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1082466#p1082466

William: FTL;

[quote]Atheists crack me up.

Most of the atheist arguments have turned out to be Smoke and Mirrors.
The very idea of a Mind - even to the depths of the Quantum Presence has them fleeing from
Merging with the data and understanding the Integral Network which Mind is and is involved with the development of.
This lack of being reasonable is shirking from Responsibility following after the Tempting Vision and hope in eventual “death by cease to exist” - the promise of ending the nightmare of existing - yet
The Way of the Shaman is allowing life to breath - even if the breath appears to be associated with Sagan’s’ Dragon in the Garage…it is what it is and even if it hisses smokey instructions inducing the stuff of Childhood Nightmares from some deep part of us, a simple understanding and a gentle reminder - like a Moderator Comment - can make a world of difference…remind oneself occasionally that when the smoke clears [as it will when the dragon stops speaking] one is still left with the mirror.]
Yes indeed…When the smoke clears, one is still left with the mirror…

Atheists crack me up.
_________________[/quote]

GM: Hell
Be Taught
Improve
r = aeθ cot b

William:

GM: Ask…
Panpsychist
Watchful
As You Think
♬I Really Think Its Ganna Take That Long♬
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William:

GM: Hyper Complex Data Joining The fire from within
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1081043#p1081043

William: FTL;

[quote][Replying to Jose Fly in post #1]

I don’t see the problem re the above because I do not view “evolutionists” as opposite from “creationists” although I understand the general differences between the two groups boil down to both thinking that the other either excludes or includes the idea of the universe being a creation - implying a creator - and the idea that a creator can apply to the theory of evolution is often overlooked or pronounced as “unnecessary” and I also see no logical reason why the age of this universe is a necessary matter of contention.

Perhaps it is generally understood that to be a ‘creationist’ one has to believe in biblical writ, rather than simply understand that there is sufficient evidence to conclude it is most likely we exist within a creation, and in that, the answer to “which” religious idea of god ‘did it’, becomes redundant.

In saying as much, I personally do not easily relate to the current general-thinking of either “evolutionists” or “creationists”.[/quote]

GM: Keep me in The Loop

William: I created this thread yesterday…Simulation Hypothesis and Evolution Theory and The First Creation Story

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1090475#p1090475

William: FTL;

[quote]Given what we understand of DNA et al - things which were once socially accepted - taken for granted - done without guilt - which are then considered to be evil by a more modern society which has connected the dots and discovered therein that the act of abusing children has social consequences primarily in the negative - this works against the society advancing and is thus seen as a threat which requires dealing to.

Thinking about [fantasize about] molesting children may be a throwback connection to those former actions we can inherit but if they are not recognized as such and dealt with accordingly, the chances one will eventually be dissatisfied with mere fantasy and proceed to actualizing will significantly increase and the results will not be easy to deal with for either the victim nor the victimizer.

One may not be able to stop the birds flying overhead, but one is able to stop them nesting in ones hair.[/quote]

GM: Active
Write A Poem About It
Shamanic dreaming Empower The Inner Empire - The deranged can come about…become arranged.
YVHV uses what YVHV will to get the message across…
Persevere
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1076792#p1076792

William: FTL;

[quote]QueenBee
Chamber Of Self - Coming From QueenBee - Open Your Heart
Giving our best - QueenBee - Get The Ball Rolling
Central Purpose - QueenBee - Achievable Alternate Realities
The Fathers ‘House - Mansions’ - QueenBee - According to Complex Jesus
Items of Interest - QueenBee - Making it up as you go along
Like a doting parent - Coming From QueenBee - Development/Growth[/quote]

GM: Ancient Entity
Soul Groups A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind
Be Taught
Whereabouts
The Data of Experience
Signs
Individuals
Nods
Inner Strength
Bandage
People hide their sins from each other.
Learning To Fly
Separate Selfishness Shining
Do A=1
Wish fulfillment
It is obviously in line with providence…

William: Wish fulfillment It is obviously in line with providence… = 620
[620]
Would you bow down to your father and call his actions caring?
The safety of ignorance or the terrifying reality of knowledge

07:24

Recover what was lost
All of Life a bit of Cat and Mouse
No Country For Old Men
Two sides of the same coin
The Ancient grey entity
When the dust settles
Earning Brownie Points
The Synoptic Gospels
Those who lack belief in gods
The Never Ending Story
Much pain but still time


#260

Be Taught 2

301222 [Suckling on our milky mother ]

07:52 [What is the meaning of life?]

GM: Discover
We create the machinery regardless of whether we understand how consciousness is connected and motivates us in the way that it does - individually and collectively…
Pineal Gland
A Life Sentence Ending in a Death Sentence
Husband
Crazy Kinship Witty
Leave the door open
Everything Is Unique
Be Taught
Narrative warfare
In a bad mood
Science and Spirituality
Remains
Nontheists may well be the ones who have placed interposing barriers which ensure that their view is cut off - and this might be achieved through willful ignorance.
The Navigator Can Read Maps.
Your mind will answer most questions if you learn to relax and wait for the answer.
We Can Do Magic!
Phenomenon
Dare greatly
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1088936#p1088936

William: FTL;

[quote]William: What Is The Point? The Story Timeline By all means, psychoanalyze the hell out of it = 854
Understanding and connecting with the source of our language is vital to that vision = 854
From the link;

Okay…
[COLOR=#FF0000]VVilliam pokes at the fire and ponders upon what Summerlander tells him…and he reaches into the depths of his Cloak, he withdraws his Journal Experience Tablet.
Activating the JET, he then places the word “okay” through the word-value algorithm and adds the result to his data-base…he then reads the results aloud, looking up from the screen and observing for any reaction from summerlander, after saying each word [/COLOR]
Earth

[COLOR=#FF0000]Yes. There it is…VVilliam is not surprised[/COLOR]
Six
Heart

[COLOR=#FF0000]VViliam thinks of the six heart virtues…Wingmakers are never far from the action…[/COLOR]
What
Now
Nods
[COLOR=#FF0000]VVilliam wonders if something similar might be what Job said to his God[/COLOR]
Okay…
Create
Form
Ship
Some
Speak
Elohai
Abracadabra

VVilliam thinks of the meme “I’m not saying it was Aliens” and smiles to himself…he looks up at the night sky and feels like he is sharing in a rather elaborate - well concealed - cosmic prank…

[COLOR=#FF0000]VVilliam wonders if Summerlander is taking the micky with his remark re “psychological events” He searches for meaning in the word and gets two hits.
One reads “of, affecting, or arising in the mind; related to the mental and emotional state of a person.” and the other “(of an ailment or problem) having a mental rather than a physical cause.”

He finds the Word-Value and adds it to the list.[/COLOR]

Possible Clues…
The Spirit of The Earth
Well That Settles It
Ian and William Play chess
Unknown/Hidden/Occult
Shallow is Unknown
Neruda Interview Five
The Plateau of The Same Page
Present over perfect
Psychological events

[COLOR=#FF0000]VVilliam continues to do Word-Values as Summerlander talks. The results are interesting.[/COLOR]

A drop of consciousness in an ocean of tears
Just being a good person isn’t sufficient

[COLOR=#FF0000]Summerlander pauses and VVilliam takes the opportunity to speak.[/COLOR]

VVilliam: Job realizes the God is real but not in the way he had previously imagined.

Perhaps Job realized that The God he was interacting with, was the planet itself?

Or perhaps only we in today’s world can really get a bead on that, since we now have pictures of the planet, from a spaceman’s perspective.

In reality the journey continues because none of us really know The God sufficiently outside of our own imaginations.

At least the Earth is real enough – never to mind the rest of the universe…

[COLOR=#FF0000]VVilliam carries on with his calculations[/COLOR]

Astral Guides
Etched mirror
Healing The Beast
Contact With
Satisfaction
Three In A Row
Small Steps
Divine Sound
Fingerprint
A rock and a hard place
Balance of power
“Moonchargers”
Mindfulness
In the moment
Heaven on Earth
‘Lack of empathy’

Ancient Grey Entity
If In Doubt Let It Sit
Nazi Space Program Agenda
Independent from what?
Conspiracy theory
Monkey See Monkey Do
When things fall apart
The Undiscovered Self
‘Developing a thick skin’

[COLOR=#FF0000]VVilliam clears his throat and then answers.[/COLOR]

VVilliam: I honestly do not know what all atheists are doing…the ones I have met seem to be as unique to their own sense of self as all the non-atheists are.

[COLOR=#FF0000]More calculations - additional data[/COLOR]

Anticipating that this will prove to be helpful to the science
Perhaps we can deconstruct some of these pernicious views.
Identify any ‘atheist’ in the story? Certainly not The Devil!

[QUOTE]Bearing in mind what happened to Job, I’d like you to picture such scenario happening to you, only you discover that the disease you’ve been infected with and the torture and murder of some of the people you love and care about were the result of a bet that your father had with some nefarious agent. You confront your father and demand answers only to hear him say that you weren’t around when he made a home for you and your siblings and that you are not wise enough to comprehend his actions.

Would you bow down to your father and call his actions caring? [/QUOTE]

[COLOR=#FF0000]VVilliam doesn’t hesitate with answering summerlanders question.[/COLOR]

VVilliam: I would respect his position immensely and bow to that – the ‘bowing’ would be symbolized within the actions of showing respect.
I would also have further questions… Questions as such a Son might be permitted to ask and be graced with answers.

What is a poor boy to do, faced with such factuality?

I might also ask “how thick do you want my skin to be?” but would be smiling as I did so…

[COLOR=#FF0000]VVilliam places another log on the fire and takes a sip of his cooled-down brew. Then he taps on his tablet screen, busy adding results to his JET.[/COLOR]
Love Life
Pyramid
Being Born
Respect
Tricky
Symbol
Compass
An Elder Race
Stone Age
Integral
…of said agenda…
Lift your gaze from the fire
The Human Form as a Means to an End
Memorandum of Understanding
…but would be smiling as I did so…
Reminding one of how it all started and the different stages one goes through.
Questions as such a Son might be permitted to ask and be graced with answers

[COLOR=#FF0000]Somewhere in the small grove of trees, Te Ruru calls…and the sound brings a smile to VVilliams thick-skined face…[/COLOR]


The point I am focused upon is at the very center of the Mandala, summerlander.

[/quote]

GM: Mind’s Eye

William: Yes…the idea of “The Creator” expands as human knowledge about their situation, is discovered.
This reminds me of what Theophile is writing, re our discussion as to whether Simulation Theory and Evolution Theory and Creation Theory {Genesis One} can able to be reconciled.
Re: Simulation Hypothesis and Evolution Theory and The First Creation Story
Post #14

I am enjoying that interaction as it is fruitful - removed from the normalized “Narrative warfare”
“In a bad mood” type, that you mentioned.
Focus on what remains - which, as you also pointed out - it is Science and Spirituality that Remains…

GM: Tetrahedron
Inner self

William: Correct - as such both converge, creating the …

GM: Incentive
“If someone were to declare that the Universe was a random mindless accident of an event, then they are saying that its existence is a ‘truly random event’.”
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1080497#p1080497

William: FTL; Re: Communication with the dead

[quote][quote=Rose2020 post_id=1080136 time=1654071799 user_id=16057]
Communication with the dead.
Why would anyone wish to do that? [/quote]

There would be a number of reasons. For me it was motivated by the knowledge that I was getting shallow and often dubious communication with the living, even in relation to opinions about the dead.
I decided that I would give ‘the dead’ an opportunity to show they had more to offer.

The use of Talking Boards gained popularity in the US, shortly after the Civil War because of the great social grief experienced at fathers and sons/husbands and siblings lost in the fighting…people wanted to know that their loved-ones were alright and talking boards seemed to provide some closure and healing in that regard.

Curiosity [no matter how idle] always involves reason.

[quote]A warning about Ouija
University of Akron professor Oscar E. Olin, an ordained Universalist minister and instructor of philosophy and social sciences, was a major skeptic of Ouija.

Voices from beyond the grave? What complete balderdash.

He feared that the boards could cause psychological harm among those who developed too close an attachment.

“Many people, falling victims to its lure, have been mentally unbalanced,” he said. “Just as one may go insane over too close application to any one subject, so the Ouija board has its danger for the credulous, the superstitious, the hysterically inclined.”

So imagine Olin’s surprise when he tried Ouija and the planchette moved.

He was toying with the board when, to his curiosity, the indicator seemed to spell out a word. He was alone at the time, so he couldn’t blame anyone else.

The professor developed a theory: Perhaps his fingers had acted on unconscious impulses from the brain. Ignoring his own advice on developing too close an attachment, he began to conduct “exhaustive experiments” with Ouija boards.

“Although I certainly did not practice conscious fraud on myself, I found that I was able to get frequently startling sentences from the board as long as I could see what was being spelled,” he explained.

To test his hypothesis, he constructed his own talking board that included several common words as well as letter groupings that made it easier to form sentences. But he also added an adjustable screen that could block his view of the board.

Ouija seemed positively verbose without the obstruction.

“The moment I adjusted the screen in place, however, that moment the messages were effectually cut off,” Olin said.

He invited several self-proclaimed mediums to test the apparatus, but no one was able to produce any messages when the screen was drawn and their vision was blocked, he said.

“This convinces me that practically all Ouija board messages are the result of causes far closer to this world than the realm of spirits,” he said.
[/quote]

Perhaps we might be better off if there were folk like James Randi in ancient times who could have debunked famous biblical characters promoting their particular cons.

The promise of the detrimental came much later than when talking boards first gained popularity. There use was for more respectable pursuits than later on when a simple board was developed and branded “Ouija” and one can trace the source of the demonizing to modern day Christianity, which had already misrepresented the image of Lucifer sufficiently, and this helped to promote the detrimental within societies influence by Christianity.

You believe that the advice to kill such folk is “excellent advice”?

If we took that advice, we would be far worse off than we are today, because we would not question the things which Christianity has told us are true, and those days of taking the word of con-artists armed with bibles is on the decrease as we place aside the superstitious ideas based in supernatural suppositions. It is human nature and ability which are natural and necessary, and folk like James Randi would not have been able to uncover the fraudulent practices of con-artist without that.

What good does it supposedly do when Christians claim to communicate with Jesus?[/quote]

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38890&p=1076064#p1076064

William: FTL; Re: Does god have morals?

[quote][Replying to Diogenes in post #108]

What they do not easily see therein, is that this idea makes monkeys out of them, and they are determined to become gods.

The confusion caused is a response to the dilemma of God being within an Animal, at the same time god is within a Human - mostly because of the incredible chasm between the two positions of form.

It is the knowledge we are capable of collecting and the ability to use the knowledge any which way we want to, which causes the confusion, when it is aimed at the only god-like entity we know of and collective seem to have a love-hate relationship for/with.

It is as if we all resent the fact of the life we are within…whereas the Animals just get about getting on with it without all that fuss…[/quote]

GM: https://wizardforums.com/threads/william-message-generation.647/page-9#post-7642

William: FTL;

[quote]William:Checking out WSB quotes - for example " Your mind will answer most questions if you learn to relax and wait for the answer." I already have variants of this in my ComList.

Also it is apparent to me that ones ‘mind’ is vaster than we are led to believe…and that there are many levels of consciousness beyond our own, and that we are all connected mindfully in ways which we do not easily comprehend.

This system I am using can help the individual connect with the larger reality of the over-mind.

Rather than place the above WSB quote into my ComList, I prefer to post this and then get the link to the post and place that into my ComList, because it allows for even more scope than a single quote can offer - in relation to any future Generated Message which might include the link as part of the message being built.[/quote]

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1092361#p1092361

William: FTL; Re: What if Adam and Eve Had Resisted…?

[quote][quote=1213 post_id=1092326 time=1663597989 user_id=7135]

I think that is a wrong impression. I don’t think the fruit itself caused anything. It was the act of eating it that had consequences. It could have been any fruit and it would have had the same effect, if there would be the same conditions of eating it.
[/quote]

In which case, there is no reason why Adam and Eve could not have been allowed to eat the fruit after they had shown their resistance to temptation.

The test was done, the results were in, and the fruit of the tree was not what caused the eventual death of the pair [according to the storyline itself].

I did not say that the fruit caused anything or argue that the fruit had something within it which gave one the ability to know/have knowledge of, good and evil.

It was a prop which YHWH used as a means to an end.
Since there was nothing intrinsically special about the fruit, there should be no reason why the fruit could not be eaten by the pair, after they had resisted the temptation.

It was a deception because - in the biblical telling of it - God [as yet unnamed] - implied to Adam that the fruit itself had the power to give Adam knowledge of good and evil.
YHWH planted a seed into Adams mind, which then germinated into the eventual disobeying of YHWH.

All along, YHWH would have known that any death incurred after Adam disobeyed YHWH, would not be because the of the fruit that had been eaten but rather, because YHWH would have denied Adam access to the fruit of the tree of life.

This begs the question:


Q: Why would YHWH create a being of nature and not instill that being with knowledge of good and evil, if indeed we agree that without morals, the human specie could not even get a foothold on the back of nature?


Remember too, that [color=#4000FF]the reason[/color] for humans being created was so that they would multiply across the face of the Earth and subdue it.
Since this requires the ability to survive, and since the ability to survive requires knowledge of what is good and what is not [re [color=#4000FF]the reason[/color]] it was imperative that Adam also know.

[imperative=of vital importance; crucial.]

[Answers may - nay - will, vary] :)[/quote]

GM: “A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage”
Central Purpose - QueenBee - Achievable Alternate Realities
Repudiate [refuse to accept; reject. deny the truth or validity of.]
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1070528#p1070528

William: FTL; Re: Something can’t come from nothing

I continue to provide evidence for those interested.
My comment - obviously enough I thought - had to do with your implying self-delusion. Do you have any evidence that I am self deluded?
Apparently not - as you responded with more woo-slinging

As I wrote…invalid speculation can be shoved back into whatever hole it came from…please desist with such tactic as it adds nothing to the communication process re honest argument.[/quote]

GM: Be Taught
The Brother
Disrupt Vortex Television
Extremely
The Garden of Eden
Unwilling Reaction
“Spread love everywhere you go. Let no one ever come to you without leaving happier.”
“Three worlds and three deep mysteries”
Light is information
The Way of the Shaman
Self-discipline

08:51
[189]
Acknowledge the Agreeable
I share your joy!
The Prime Directive
Making Things Easier
Links And Symbols
Shepherding Moons
Conscious Dreaming
What Shall We Call It?
Wish fulfillment


#261

Be Taught 3

311222 [Self-Awareness Stuff Happens]

05:44 [Soul Group Energies]

GM: Share -share -share
Swords

William: 9 of Swords

GM: Toward a Science of Consciousness
Creation Of A New Universe
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1104878#p1104878

William: FTL;

[quote][quote=“The Barbarian” post_id=1104878 time=1671497396 user_id=15330]

[color=#BF0080]There was a young man who said "God
Must find it exceedingly odd
That the sycamore tree
continues to be
When there’s no one about in the quad.

Dear Sir: Your astonishment’s odd;
I am always about in the quad.
The sycamore tree
continues to be,
observed by Yours faithfully, God.[/color]
[/quote]

[/quote]

GM: Under a Question Mark
Unprecedented
Christian mythology re Satan
♬If I “talk to the Dead” then they must all be living♬
Belief Helps Cause Separation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXlfjzl-CFw [15:00] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=YXlfjzl-CFw

William: I think that what Richard Dawkins say’s to Neil deGrasse Tyson is untrue if we take into account the “minimization of what is really true” [re Evolution theory] is done in opposition to ET when Creation Theory [CT] can be reconciled with ET, which in turn only expands upon the idea that an invented universe is a “wonderful exciting exhilarating stimulating” production which does not have to be a “denigration of the wonder of the truth” as Richard puts it.

GM: “The agency of the mind behind creation doesn’t cease to exist as a possibility, simply because the costumes are inappropriate imagery.”
Be Taught
A Bridge Over Time
“Here Am I Is Where I Ought Examining My Conscious Thought”
“Is it a mindless chaotic process which just happens to consistently appear coherent, no matter what random system we use in order to select the word-strings which generate the message?”
Transparent Enlightenment Relationship True Colors On all fronts No axe to grind…
Connect


Overall
This Is My Kind Of Fun
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39545

William: FTL;

[quote]Q: Is it unreasonable to accept that an omnipotent creator of this universe would have any regrets about Its creation?

If we look at how the critters in creation fix things, we can see therein that if there is a creator mind behind this, then there is simply no need for said mind to feel regret for anything said mind created. Said mind has built into the ongoing creative process, a means in which problems which arise, are fixed - rather than regretted upon first, in order to then get about doing the fixing…

Perhaps the idea that the creator should regret what was created, is a projection of human emotionally based concepts?


[[The idea in assigning/projecting said emotion onto a creator … the projection is in thinking how a human would feel if it were a human who created the universe, [and specifically the Earth and specifically Humankind] and applying that feeling to how a creator could also have regrets for what It created.]][/quote]

GM: This Speaks of…
Truth
This isn’t about thoughts and language. This is about behaviours and actions.
There Are Myriad Stories Happening Within The Main Story
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1090708#p1090708

William: FTL;

[quote][quote=oldbadger post_id=1090679 time=1662280629 user_id=8918]

Hi… your sentence, above, pushes me to ask:-
Are you an agnostic? I presume that an agnostic can be neither theist nor atheist.
[/quote]

No, I am not - as agnosticism is derived from the question of GOD and belongs within the conflict between theist and non theist/theism and atheism.

I am more like someone who - on my journey - came across two gigantic quarrelling entities speaking jibber-jabber and after working out each one wanted me to join with them in their jibber-jabber, learned their language and from that, understood.
When I told them that the question of GOD was cart-before-horse, so I couldn’t accept either of their arguments, they told me that I could not pass until I made the choice.


So here I am sitting meditating in the tussocks nearby, working on how to get around them.[/quote]

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1084580#p1084580

William: FTL;

[quote][quote]William: So it isn’t anything I said then?

Going back to original meanings is “the ship that has sailed” I referred to.

This is because that is just the way of the evolution of human language and fighting for something so late in the Game, isn’t constructive use of personal energy.

Lets go back a few steps.

I was thanked for a post in another thread.

I pointed to this thread as part of my attempt to explain that I no longer saw the diagram as accurate.

I see now that my explanation could have been better, but even so, my argument is still valid re Agnosticism.

So the things I wrote about agnosticism to begin with, I realized at some point I wasn’t actually writing about Agnosticism but about something else.

I sought to identify the “something else” and haven’t discovered the name for it…so I referred to the position as “Natural-Neutral”.


William: The Natural-Neutral Default Position

GM: Sober journey into self-realization

William: Better than trying on the Agnostic label which has been through the mill

GM: A terrible milestone

William: Ground into powder…


Now that we have reached this point together - The GM from yesterday affirms;


A Matter of Knowing Where to Look

GM: Brother Wolf Sister Moon

William: 289, as with;

The Suppression Matrix
This is how The Mind works…
Within that which is unseen…

GM: Though the Serpent rules the Shadow

[size=150]Liminal[/size] [relating to a transitional or initial stage of a process. occupying a position at, or on both sides of, a boundary or threshold.]

William: Like “Natural-Neutral” re theism and atheism…not “Agnostic” because that is a known subset of atheism…

GM: The Spirit of The Earth

Essentially, we are Gaia in Human Form…

William: Such is the nature of consciousness…

GM: Chamber Of Self


William: I am toying with the idea of calling it “Liminalism”

[Search “Liminality”]

“a term used to describe the psychological process of transitioning across boundaries and borders. The term “limen” comes from the Latin for threshold; it is literally the threshold separating one space from another. It is the place in the wall where people move from one room to another.”

Agnosticism is a form of Liminalism, applicable only to The Question “Do we exist within a creation?” re the theistic and atheistic answers and subsequent arguments re said question.

Liminalism is not limited to pondering questions specific to theistic/atheistic interpretation of the mind in relation to matter. That is a huge advantage.
___________________________________________[/quote][/quote]

GM: Clarity
Self-limitation
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1097158#p1097158

William: FTL;

[quote][Replying to The Tanager in post #127]

[quote]Hey William,

Our posts have started covering a whole bunch of ground. I’m attempting to streamline my response, but let me know if I’ve misunderstood or missed anything of importance. I saw these main areas:[/quote]

Hey Tanager

Yes - it is often the case, we start out with short posts and this evolves into longer and more detailed ones.
That is why I was listing our agreements, so that these might provide a way in which to help direct our path of discussion.

We have both agreed that:
1: We exist within a creation.
2: Simulation Theory is a valid way to interpret the Biblical stories.
3: YVHV placed humans into this universe to grow personalities.
4: The purpose of YVHV growing human personalities is so that these would potentially gain experience of the truth of the reason for their environment and their temporary experience within it.
5: It is an advantage to all grown personalities to be consciously and consistently connected with YVHV and thus understand and support YVHVs initiatives.

We parted company on;

6: We do not agree that human personalities - upon the death of their body-sets - move on to other experiences.

I covered that when I wrote:

To expand on this understanding, What Jesus taught in no way contradicts the idea that we exist within a simulated reality.
As with YHVH, being the same/unchanging hasn’t anything to do with how the authors of biblical script ‘saw’ YHVH and thus expressed their seeing in story form. Those stories are not “what YHVH teaches” but are expressions of inspiration by the authors who believed they were being taught by YHVH and their attempts to dress that in a language which could be understood by folk of their particular epoch.

That is why I wrote;

You reply;

I have been saying the same thing. So we cshould eventually be able to add that to our list of things we agree with.

This only serves to add credence to Simulation Theory Tanager.

“Spacetime is doomed” - as I wrote;

I never said that spacetime is not PART of something greater, but that it is not the base reality itself.
Your argument up to this point has appeared to be different to that, indicated by your not wanting to agree with;

Clearly, biblical script [which I have given per your request] has it that Jesus say’s differently from you on this point. That script has been offered by me for your comment.

You commented;

Yet you offer up to this point, no scriptural evidence to support your assertion re the stories folk bring to the table re their NDE experiences, that those stories should be discarded as lies, hallucinations, honest mistakes, etc.

On the other hand, an argument that the experiences being told, are the result of folk being made aware of the actual unchanging state of YHVH, to which the bible cannot be counted as something which speaks on behalf of YHVH, but only as a reference to those telling the stories from the perspective of their place in the epoch they underwent.

Unfortunately, the bible in that light, is a closed off book - whereby at some point, men chose to seal it shut from the advancement of human/YHVH interaction, whilst declaring it a type of complete document and cutting off all future interactions between YHVH and humans, that are NOT exactly the same as those stories of more ancient folk, recorded in the bible.

This is perhaps the main reason for the struggle you are currently having with the idea of Simulation Theory and belief that the bible does not describe us existing within a reality simulation, and the struggle to accept the stories folk have to tell about their NDEs, as being witness to truth.

Who are we to limit what YHVH does or does not do, based upon the writings of more ancient men, who - if told of the things of our technologically advanced modern world - might also complain that such things told are lies, hallucinations, honest mistakes, blasphemy etc?

Do you believe that YHVH did not know the future of humanity or see it as humanity moving towards uncovering truth, and thus getting closer to the unchanging state in which YHVH resides?

Honestly, it does not matter in the context of simulation theory Tanager.

If something changes, then it is not what it once was.

I recently asked otseng this:

[quote]William: Many Christians believe the bible tells it, that they will be resurrected to enjoy life in this universe forever…

How do you reconcile the eventual heat death of the universe, with such beliefs?[/quote]

Your telling of it is the same as otseng, but what both of you fail to understand is that something which is changed, [ and graphically so] is not the same thing, but a different thing.

It may indeed have similarities, as you point out, and I have no argument re that, as simulating something naturally enough does have the quality of sameness, but in order to believe that one can withstand the natural tendency of a universe - like the one we currently occupy - to NOT be harmful to the forms we occupy [the human form] either those forms must change to accommodate, or the universe must change to accommodate, or both - the bottom line is that those changes must signify that we will not be existing in the same form and thus, Simulation Theory explains how those differences will be achieved.

New Heavens and New Earth mean that ST is involved in making it so.

Whether it is ‘reset’ or some other way in which this is achieved, ST is that which explains how such can be done.

Thus, my opinion on the matter of YHVH being unchangeable, is that YHVH is the fundamental reality and ANYTHING which changes HAS to be regarded as simulated.
[Which is why we are grown, as per agreement 3: “YVHV placed humans into this universe to grow personalities.”]
Agreed?

Your above can be regarded as semantics.
Agreed?

I understand Soul as the breath of YHVH and thus unchangeable. It works with the personality which is changeable, as a means through which the personality can change - or “level up” to use Gaming terminology - and is integral to the personalities ability to experience anything.

While it is feasible that a personality can be deleted, and the soul connected with the personality to be integrated back into the unchanging completeness of YHVH, but this would be an extreme in that it would signify the personality is of absolutely no USE to YHVH.

Your understanding that the soul and the personality are synonymous [closely associated with or suggestive of something.] is understandable in that context, but they are not the exact same thing as one is grown [changeable] while the other is the other is complete.

[quote]3) What’s the balance of goodness and wickedness in the world?

You believe Jesus stated wickedness is greater than goodness in Matthew 24:37-39,[/quote]

Please quote where I said I believed that.

My point was, that IF things are balanced NOW, in order for Jesus to return [as per Christian belief] things will have to deteriorate considerably, so that the impossibility of us being able to say NOW, as to the balance between good and evil, would become possible. That also would work the other way, but if things got better to the point where it became possible to make the call, YHVH would have no need to order Jesus to return.

In line with this thinking, is the idea of Jesus and the Control Room you mentioned. IF Jesus has been active in that regard, THEN we should be able to say confidently that things are getting better.

Given YHVH is the biblically the bringer of both good and evil, this wiping out [deleting] signifies a change in YHVH, which does not align with the idea that YHVH is complete/unchangeable so that line of reasoning can be abandoned and explanation for concepts of good and evil has to derive in the personalities being grown and their lack of understanding and confusion deriving from their concepts of good and evil.

The concepts themselves require change, and perhaps this is what is meant by evil being deleted. The personalities change as the concepts change/the concepts change as the personalities change.

Having the belief that soul and personality are the same, makes the change - impossible, as far as I can tell, because the individual has no helper to activate said change, being in a position where trust in ones personality [“soul” in your regard] can be subject to those things you mentioned - hallucination, lies, et al.

Or as Bob Dylan wrote in a song;

[quote]Preacher was talking there’s a sermon he gave
He said every man’s conscience is vile and depraved
You cannot depend on it to be your guide
When it’s you who must keep it satisfied[/quote]

Soul - as an aspect of unchangeable YHVH - independent helper of the growing/changing personality, allows one to trust in something greater than oneself.

[this also eludes to another private conversation we are having re the GMs]

Agreed?
So far, I have seen no clear reason from you as to why that wouldn’t be the case, that you should remain in disagreement with me…

My hope is that we can come to agreement and move on along the same path of discussion…[/quote]

GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jsj7K6E0Fg [The History Of Earth’s Five Mass Extinction Events [4K] | The Next Great Extinction Event ] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jsj7K6E0Fg [RTS=10:05]
GM: Radical acceptance
Even so, I have full appreciation for your efforts, because even incorrect peer review is better than indifference.
Be Taught
Interactive
Share -share -share
Learned
Action
Do A=1
Brother, where Art Thou?
Feel your feelings
The Sensation of God’s Presence Inside Us
Makes Candles Look Gathered

William: Brother, where Art Thou? Feel your feelings The Sensation of God’s Presence Inside Us Makes Candles Look Gathered = 1060
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things. = 1060

GM: Optimized for Fitness Pay-offs
The Realm of The Knowing of My Self Spacetime is not fundamental
Brotherhood Of Souls
Encounters Challenge Boundaries
Reality
Creative
Loving

William: Reality is Creative and Loving = 299
Related phrases to The Subject = 299

This GM ties in well with the current interaction I am having with Theophile.
Re: Simulation Hypothesis and Evolution Theory and The First Creation Story

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Soul Group Energies
Trust the process
Deliberate and important
Attitude of gratitude
The Father - in The Mother.