Sidra. I read that newcomer’s post, thinking this is not making sense, Sidras cracked 
Then I read your deleted post and it pointed to that exact issue. What a crack up. Unwieldy indeed 
Yeah, even Ken Wilber threw in the towel pretty early, citing how things tend to “go south,” in open forums such as these. Still, a good reality check, though, and for better or for worse, reinforces my contention that an element of entropy is always lurking anytime two or more people start looking at stuff together…
Let’s see what happens here.
I had joined this site briefly almost 10 years ago, but left very soon after because of the unwieldy nature of the posts I was seeing! I remember being quite disappointed
Responding to your post on the Names for God thread, I think I probably see meditation in a similar way. More like a process of calibrating yourself to “Integral consciousness”. Like an athlete goes to the gym to train, but the actual competitive performance is point. Making temporary states a permanent trait.
That Red level is always there! I’m certainly guilty of falling back into those concerns when avoiding the responsibility of Integral living. The fruits of Integral living have this paradoxical, and delayed gratification quality which for me makes giving up on the more immediate, concrete habits harder. So I totally agree, Power as God is there at every level. I guess my original question would be about the names for God at a person’s main/default/day-to-day operating level.
I feel quite solid about these terms: Red as Power, Blue as God, Orange as The Natural World
But I can’t zone in on a term for the Green, post-modern level, which isn’t too surprising. Maybe Green as Subjectivity.
“But I can’t zone in on a term for the Green, post-modern level, which isn’t too surprising. Maybe Green as Subjectivity.”
So, at Green, God = Subjectivity. That seems right to me, and your professed inability to “zone in on a term” seems appropriate, paralleling the secular realm of politics as the lack of focus on the Left. How to cobble together a unified coalition with a platform of “collective subjectivity?”
So your original question: Your spending time with the green-subjectivity-as-God issue has been helpful for me, personally helping bring into focus the political Lefts’ lack of focus. I’ve heard Wilber talk about this stuff as it relates to a conservative re-set that is looking to happen now … messy as it is…
So, thanks again, Phil!
Yup, I agree that conservative reset is well underway. I feel nervous when people mention Jesus and God at the highest levels of government! I had this funny vision of a caterpillar made up of the levels of development. Blue currently has its feet on the branch leaving the higher levels somewhat dangling with limited agency. Of course, Blue won’t be able to hold that weight for too long and the upper segments will reengage with the branch and begin to drag the lower levels forward. And eventually we all progress together. A silly little metaphor.
Greetings Phil,
For some reason I can’t access the Community page at the moment (I’m hoping it’s just a minor troubleshooting glitch on their end) so I don’t know if this will post.
I’ve attached what I consider a seminal exchange between Roger Walsh and John Dupuy of the Deep Transformation Podcast site, hosting former California Jerry Brown (00:45:32): 
Governor Jerry Brown on Life, Power, and the Future of Humanity (Part 1) - Deep Transformation Podcast.
I don’t think, “…eventually we all progress together …,” as people aren’t inclined toward a collective vision forward. I don’t see the caterpillar analogy fitting humanity, as each segment, or “color” is a distinct “holon,” often turning on the others.
Again and again, citing Wilber’s Four Quadrants model, the Upper Left, the interior individual is the CPU, is where I see change occurring, maybe influencing the other quadrants for the better, maybe just pissing them off. Maybe time will tell …
Greetings Phil,
It appears that the Integral Community page has been excised and deported to Integral Life Community, and not currently available on the original site, how they chose to handle our unwieldy, cumbersome, vitriolic ways … kinda like being put out on an ice flow and left to die…
Can’t blame 'em really.
Hi Sidra,
I posted at community.integrallife.com originally so hadn’t noticed any change. So you were posting somewhere else and those posts were getting copied over here?
Thanks for the podcast link, I’ll check that out. I’ve liked hearing from Roger Walsh in the past.
"I don’t think, …eventually we all progress together …, "
I agree that people aren’t inclined towards a collective vision forward, but I do think we get dragged - kicking and screaming towards higher levels of development. I think that developmental holons transcend and include their previous stages of development, so though they are distinct, they aren’t truly separate. Even if one subgroup turns on another subgroup, the boundaries between those groups aren’t fixed. I think we are part of a larger whole whether we like it or not, and cooperation will eventually rise to the top as a natural phenomenon of intelligent systems interacting with each other. There will be huge steps in the other direction too, but in the full arc of human developmental history, in a large time scale, I think the growth as inevitable.
Curious to hear if I might have misunderstood your point of view there.
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Hi Phil, Yes, to your question about where things were getting posted. Maybe I just had an old format that has just been phased-out … maybe I’m just an old format being phased out 
I think you’re reading my intent. I just happen to have a pessimistic lens through which I view humanity … apparently there are currently some 8+billion human lenses, they say, each with a discrete angle on things.
Back in July '24 I posted " George Carlin’s “sympathetic contempt”, which gets close to my sentiments … although, George is a bit more acerbic.
… Let’s see how it goes … one day at a time … moment to moment …
No, I have the same thing it’s gone from the integral life website I thought it’s intentional also because of the post here.
I don’t intend to barge in to the conversation, but eventually this gives some clarity. I can’t find it on the original integrallife website either, some link to the community section.
@Sidra I agree, it’s hopeless. It’s too late for the human race to “fix things”. The only way from here is to accept we’ve collectively fucked up beyond repair, and then abide in “right living”. Father Thomas Keating said something like “refusing to contribute your own false self projects to the world is the greatest gift you can give”. That’s what I root for for our species rather than Carlin’s “rooting for its destruction”. But maybe Carlin’s “destruction” is just one side of the coin of transformation.
Thanks Phil, I’m good with that, good with doing what one’s doing, helping when one can …
My best to you.