Generated Messages

[VVilliam]

An extra-terrestrial event - 4

021222 [It is a slippery path of snake-oil.]

08:41 [Needs no explanation…]

GM: What is represented in the whole is the evolution of God within the structure of the physical Universe.
God/Source/Home Why is this a Requirement?
Deep Impact Event
Computer Coding
Sound
Who Knows
Re Abusive Expression Of All Types.
The Dangers of Separating Human Consciousness From Any Idea of GOD
Teachings
It was at the time - still a work in progress.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaXpDsjVumk [YAHWEH | Shocking Truth Behind The Original Bible Story! ] [ RTS=36:13] www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaXpDsjVumk

William: The section of video is expressing the difference between the priests of the non-Hebrew gods are pretending that tribute is demanded by their gods, but the tribute is really going to the priests, because the gods of the priests don’t actually exist, whereas all tribute demanded by YHVH actual went to YHVH - thus YHVH took the tributes away from Israel and what was left was for Israel to use to further Herself.

GM: Warm Presence
Select
Central To The Vision

William: Okay - that is a request for me to do something with “Central To The Vision”…so I will copy and paste that into my ComList Journal [CLJ] document search tool, and select the 10 P&P line entries, as they present…I will shuffle the CLJ x10 using the online algorithm to do so…

[quote]Penetrate The Bidden Zone
The Navigator Can Read Maps.
Builders
“No sailor controls the sea.”
Would you bow down to your father and call his actions caring?

Through The Woo
Desynchronized Mind Body Soul Ruling your world
Elementary Conclusion a belly full of laughs.
Who Knows What That Is Worth?
Central To The Vision
Atheist mischief making
Puerility
The Data of Demystification
https://wingmakers.com/
(Do a Beginning and End)
Master Plan
Equal System
Identify oppressive structures…

Dr Michael Shermer | God does NOT exist

Disingenuous
[/quote]

GM: An extra-terrestrial event
Unknown Symbol
The Secret
Eternal Loop
Conceivable
Either the creative force is one of intelligence or it isn’t.
Do a Word Search
Gods Gift
The Respect One Gives and Receives
Author Known
All of Life a bit of Cat and Mouse

William: I have to say…“Desynchronized Mind Body Soul Ruling your world
Elementary Conclusion a belly full of laughs.” has something to do with what I wrote today;

Re: In The Beginning…

[quote]____________________________
Notes Re YHVH
I feel to add as information to all who are reading this thread;

At the time that this thread was created [ by William » Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:54 pm] I understood the two creation stories as describing one thing, just as Tradition Christianity teaches it, and just as Tanager is arguing the same understanding, from that same source.

It is only in recent days - perhaps the last couple of weeks - that this communion between Tanager and myself has helped to trigger something inside my thinking process which has enabled me to realize that the two stories are two stories because they are expressing two different events which YHVH made to happen, and that conflating those two events can mislead the reader and all those who have been influence by the words of the overall story which developed - to that point of supporting it through the device of belief - however those beliefs then interpret everything else…

…in this I am extremely interested, because I see that in conflating the two stories, there is the possibility we are being misled.

In that, I am not trying to suggest any type of conspiratorial thing is taking place, but rather - the whole of humanity has duped itself in our collective consciousness - rather than being duped by some ruling elite humans, alien entities, garden voices [nice or nasty] religious texts, or scientific papers.

I have nothing but respect for Tanager, and consider our ongoing pursuit of building a genuine friendship between us to being “YHVH inspired” however anyone might interpret that, as being.

I think YHVH is watching this spot with interest. That is just my position on the matter, and I accept that I might be mistaken, but for now - have seen no reason as to why I should think otherwise.

On the subject of “YHVH” - I have been through many twists and turns in the last 40 years, and some of those turns had me deeply hating YHVH because in those times I was wrestling with notions that YHVH was a pretend “god” who was really an extraterrestrial who’s specie had also evolved from the stuff and process of the universe…evolution…

And that this advanced species [The Elohim] where ‘playing god’ and influencing everything which happens on our planet, and wanting humans in specific to worship them - through that image of YHVH - and declare YHVH the creator of The whole Universe/everything which is the universe.

In that context, YHVH could not have created YHVH, so the alien god species was false, as they couldn’t have both created themselves AND created the universe from which their species evolved…it was illogical.

Thus they were ‘playing god’ and imo were not playing GOD as a true creator-god of the universe, would/should play the role.

In that, I have spent the last 40 years coming to terms with the apparent contradiction, in order to come to understand that my notions of “how a true-creator god would ‘play the role’” were placed under question;

Q: How I could possibly KNOW how a “true-creator god” would play such a role?

I don’t know whether I should fell shame or relief for my blunder, but consider both emotions to being a potential stumbling block to what I now regard as a process I have been going through in order to come to a place where I can fully embrace YHVH, and heal that riff in my understanding.

Sincerely
Thank you for taking the time to read this.

____________________________[/quote]

Re: (Do a Beginning and End) Master Plan I will take the last shuffle of the CLJ and work with that…
…it messages as the following;

Re Master Plan

[quote]GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1090376#p1090376
Acceptance Idea Enlightenment A Perfect Event
Permanence
In Training For… “You don’t wanna cross that bridge - You don’t want the other side”
It Would Be Rude Not To
The Hologram of Deception The Mainstream Program
Start From Scratch
How to get this to happen on a planetary scale is the thing…
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
GOD became Gods and Goddesses.
Truth Without Proof Is Belief
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmRTC6xhis4 www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmRTC6xhis4
Soul Retrieval
Things Will Run Their Course
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBU6f2T3Www&t=456s www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBU6f2T3Www&t=456s
Connections
Observant
Black
Assuming a Creator of this world exists, in what way is said Creator hidden from us?
Never a dull moment
Howdy! The Butterfly Effect Music to my ears Lean into it
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1092267#p1092267
To Know
Liminal
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1078016#p1078016
“If you say so…” No. Even if I did not say so.
A means of taking an Agnostic position on things which have yet to be proven one way or another…
The power of silence
Panpsychism
Elude Test the waters
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288472

Astral
The Data of Demystification…
[/quote]
William: To interrupt, I am only up to page 17 of a 109 page document.

Is it appropriate at this time to say “I get the picture”… ?

09:20
[We exist infinitely
The Spiritual Essence
Experiential Reality
The Dohrman Prophesy
The Stress of Unbelief
Put That On The List
Ethical transhumanism
The Freedom Of Friendship
Joining The Main Egregore
Makes Candles Look Gathered]

[VVilliam]

Master Plan
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GM: The Word and List Strings
The Neutral Zone
A projection of one’s subconscious
“The curating is done when I am taking my first baby steps and learning to say “dada” and “mama” and after uttering those sounds show -at least that I am able to do that - so the next level entry is made available to me, and I learn how to shape the sounds I can make, following codes which have been around since long before my own arrival on this planet, to what the data signifies, that is information I am interested in.”
Intransigent [unwilling or refusing to change one’s views or to agree about something.] Decisive An inappropriate analogy Taxonomic [concerned with the classification of things, especially organisms.]

Is this an Accurate and Easily understood definition of Atheism? - Page 41 -...

[quote][quote=Inquirer post_id=1091083 time=1662569215 user_id=16204]
Replying to Tcg in post #402[]

Oh, I thought you’d stopped participating. So since you’re still here, any progress on these questions?

Atheism could mean either of two things yet you seem reticent to state which of these you mean:

1. Atheism is the lack of belief that gods exist and the lack of belief that gods don’t exist.
2. Atheism is the lack of belief that gods exist and the presence of belief that gods don’t exist.

As defined by you (“Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods”) an atheist must be either 1. or 2. which are you?

Could it be I’ve hit a nerve here? it appears that no atheist so far wants to answer this question?
[/quote]

It appears to be because none can agree altogether.

From what I can gather so far, the “lack of belief” can be associated with having no knowledge of Theism/Theistic narratives and thus;

This appears to be main trunk, whilst the variants root off into directive specifics, and some of those sub-branches want Atheism to be “named” [defined] and aligned with their particular positions on the matter of “GOD”.

That’s where the confusion is begotten and on top of that, some atheists are complaining it is theists who muddy the waters by doing things like pretending not to understand and making things more difficult than they need to be - a clear case of projection, if ever there was.

[As always, this is my opinion on the evidence so far presented.]

My own understanding of Atheism is that it is “The Unconscious lack of belief in Gods” and things spiral out from that core position.

The conscious lack of belief in Gods derives from reaction to theistic narratives and becomes the driving force of opposition as it moves away from the core-meaning - becoming what I refer to collectively as “The Atheisms”.[/quote]

GM: Impermanent

Can you explain the doctrine of salvation better than the Bible?Bible does? -...

[quote]William: You create whatever experience you will have in the next phase based upon the type of personality you shaped your self into during this one.
Replying to amortalman in post #68[]

What you described is not Biblical, and we’re discussing the Bible here. You are throwing oranges in my basket of apples.

Why would you argue that? Is there a coherent description about this in the Bible that you can point us to, showing clearly that you are correct?

What does your basket of apples say about how we will experience the next phase? How does the
doctrine of salvation in the Bible differ from my description?

What you said is not in the Bible. If you can show me in the Bible where it says that after we die we “experience the fruits of our own personality” then it is Biblical. Otherwise, it isn’t Biblical and should not be introduced in this thread.

What are you expecting, something word for word? Are you saying that folk cannot and do not interpret the Bible differently and does not the OP make that observation in the complaint that the God didn’t make things obvious or crystal clear about the doctrine of salvation?

Isn’t that what this thread is about?

What does the Bible say about dealing with your own Demons?

The concept of demons is from the Bible. That’s what I meant.

Yes. It is from a large number of religious literature as well. But how does that answer my question?
Q: What does the Bible say about dealing with your own Demons?

How do you think that fits in with the doctrine of salvation? Is salvation like being saved from your own demons? Something else?

If you want to discuss incoherence in humans and why God made us so, I suggest you start a new thread.

So you are not interested in putting the horse before the cart? Of what value [re the doctrine of salvation] is it to make a statement that implies the inability of humans to understand the doctrine coherently - as being a problem - without wanting to also try and reason the possible sources for the problem?

The Bible came through humans and was not dictated by any being as it was allowed to be presented as stories from hearsay about others claiming to be directly involved with the God.

As a result, we have a smorgasbord of stories which have passed through many different filters of individual beliefs and which sometimes lead to folk feeling it necessary to make threads such as this one, in which questions can be asked and answers might be given.

I am unconvinced that the answers I am giving are as irrelevant as you are making them out to be, so if you want to discuss this with me more, then ceasing with such hand-waving would be beneficial to that.

The confusion of languages at the tower of Babel was for a specific purpose so that mankind could not communicate and build a tower to heaven - as ridiculous as all that is. The point is, that odd little story is a far cry from your claim that the God character made humans incoherent.

Are you arguing that it is not Biblical enough for your tastes? Why argue that something which was once credited as one of the ways in which the God did things re Humans, is now somehow no longer relevant to discussion on the way that the God did things?
Given that the long ago confusion of languages is still an ongoing problem being worked out by Humans, why is that incident not related to explanations and interpretations re OP topic of Biblical concepts/doctrines?

I don’t see what trust science is asking you to place in it.

If you jumped out of an airplane at 10,000 feet you would probably trust science to strap on a parachute before you leaped. Then you would have to trust the science again to pull the rip cord.

You are conflating science with industry. Industry is how science is applied and what you are saying is that you place your trust in industry. That in itself is unspectacular and doesn’t cover anything outside of the realm of living and breathing here in this Experiential Reality. What has faith in industry got to do with the Biblical Doctrine of Salvation? [the main topic of the thread.]

Specific to the comment, I’m not going to assume that the mind exists in some supernatural realm unless science establishes it to a high degree of certainty.

What has science got to do with the OP Topic?
What does the Bible say about this [so-called] “supernatural” realm? What makes this realm unable to be scrutinized using science, and why is ‘the mind’ only subject to existing in one realm when the actual mind is not subject to having to do so at all?[/quote]

GM: Amidst a tangled web What is “wisdom” to some is “spam” to others Rest When Weary Making friends with your mind

GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyJb5DrhzsI [How Did Humans Become Earth’s Dominant Species?] [RTS = 25:04] www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyJb5DrhzsI

AMI 1 Food for the brain…marking the beginning of agriculture…

GM: Yours
Quite
Reasons For Angry Energy -
Everything is a Message
Does not Correlation imply causation
♬You’ve been a rock - For so long now I can’t even count the years that you’ve been rolling Nothing can shock or bring you down There ain’t nothing you haven’t seen - Nothing you haven’t known♬
Through perseverance and commitment to the engagement, it slowly became apparent to Spirit that some of the things previously hidden from itself, required addressing.
The Antichrist is…a bad attitude against a good thing
Making Things Easier
The Realist:
The voice of knowledge
The vacuum of space might prevent sound from been heard, but it does not prevent the effects of sound from being seen.

[excecutive]

Atheism could mean either of two things yet you seem reticent to state which of these you mean:

1. Atheism is the lack of belief that gods exist and the lack of belief that gods don’t exist.
2. Atheism is the lack of belief that gods exist and the presence of belief that gods don’t exist.

Hi @VVilliam I am curious reading your posts but struggle to comprehend your purpose. So to try and engage on your topic let me propose two other sentences that may present additional understandings.

3. Atheism is the complete belief that gods do not exist.
4. Atheism is faith that gods do not exist.

[VVilliam]

Master Plan
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GM: Brave
In Cell 32 I Found Love In You
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1086461#p1086461 [William floats back into The Shadows…]

[quote][Replying to DrNoGods in post #553]

If you have some scenario where the processes that unfolded on Earth after it formed 4.6 billion years ago depend on whether the universe came into existence naturally (eg. Big Bang, or other mechanism), or was created by a god, please describe how that works. You obviously think that is the case, so how about an example.

My overall point is that this does not matter as it is not an issue outside of theism and atheism. I myself simply mentioned it in answer to your own mentioning of it and think that one cannot give credence to the one and not the other.
re The Mechanisms - be they mindful or not - I would have to consider natural as it has never been explained to my why I would have to think one ‘natural’ and the other ‘supernatural’ - so either way it would be natural.

In that case, credence to either side on the issue of whether we exist within a creation or not, is very largely besides the point.

We do not know. We all can speculate, but we need to avoid making positive statements one way or the other.

It is - as you expressed - a case of giving up - waving the white flag on this particular issue.

I simply acknowledge that time is not a factor in the argument, no matter what length of time it takes for things to unfold. We certainly know that we are still within the birthing stage of something which is going to last a very long while - as measured in time - and putting horse before cart is the better option to adapt all 'round.

That is it really. I appreciate the effort you are making re your arguments. I just don’t see that particular aspect as relevant and felt to say so.

I have said so, and wave my own white flag as I withdraw…

[William floats back into The Shadows…][/quote]

GM: On The Other Hand…
Nomenclature [the devising or choosing of names for things. the body or system of names used in a particular specialist field… the term or terms applied to someone or something.]
Warm Presence Freeing the soul Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.
Like Bonsai
Myopic [Short Sighted]
Yellow Light
Only
The Clear Eye Of Soul
Science & Spirituality
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1069739#p1069739

[quote][quote]STEP 5: Completion
When you feel you are done, you can send appreciation to the Creator in that conceptual framework of infinity that you held earlier. Then, take the entire session and imagine it is compressed into something the size of a pea or small stone, and it is wisely placed within your pineal gland to be absorbed and transmitted.
Then dissolve the entire session by opening your eyes and declaring “It is done.” You do not hold any bias or outcome favoritism. You are neutral, as you step out of the session.[/quote][/quote]

GM: Pride Annoy GOD Coming From QueenBee
Human Being
It’s a plausible scenario.
All Is As It Should Be As It Changes Day To Day
Caught in their mischievous false opinions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3otTDrj9ZGQ [Austin Osman Spare - Chaos Magic] www.youtube.com/watch?v=3otTDrj9ZGQ

GM: The Clutter Of Comparison
Virtual Reality
Victim Vamp Energy Systems
The Knowledge Of The fact that code exists helps immensely in our ability to understand that intelligence is categorically involved in this existence.
Infinite Quantum Zen
Life Carriers
Memorandum of Understanding
Who wouldn’t want that, if it were there on offer?
Abiogenesis
Insidious Clumsy
Science and Spirituality
Support
Copenhagen Interpretation
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1077049#p1077049

[quote]080522
One Language Intelligent Network

RSP= 1xSCL + pg dn +

William: So - re Pareidolia - I was thinking about what had occurred the previous night. To explain to the reader, I was aware of this ‘dark side’ aspect of my psyche - and had asked for this to be removed, and the answer I received came in the form of the experience I wrote about in my previous post - to do with the ‘dialing up and dialing down’ of my conscious awareness of mind as both an exhilarating feeling of being capable of containing an awesome amount of experiential information as well as the dilapidating feeling of being encased in flesh to the point where the flesh was the dominant structure to which I felt barely able to function within.

The next morning I intuitively knew that whatever the experience was showing me, it had not, in any way, gotten rid of the ‘dark side’ aspect of my psyche - which I had specifically asked for…so what was it that the experience was showing me? The answer to that question unfolded in the events of the day ahead of me, starting with the old lady stopping to give me a ride and who just happened to have been travelling with a little bird in a cage, in the back seat of her car.

The second part of the story unfolded when the lady dropped me off and I hitched another ride with a young guy who was going to the city I was heading for.
On the way, in between chatting about things, the guy put on a CD and I continued wondering what my experience was meant to show me.

My thoughts were that perhaps what I thought of as my ‘dark side’ was as necessary to my self as that of my ‘light side’ and that the experience I had in answer to my request, was to show me this.
As I was thinking these thoughts, the CD started playing a song and the chorus had the words ‘brother wolf and sister moon’ and appeared to be coinciding with my thoughts - perhaps a type of pareidolia in itself…

[quote]Embrace the wind with both arms
Stop the clouds dead in sky
Hang your head no more
And beg no more
Brother wolf and sister moon
Your time has come
Brother wolf and sister moon
Your time has come[/quote]

but the most startling quality of the immediate experience was - as I was thinking about the ‘dark side/light side’ aspects of psyche, and hearing the song, feeling quiet startled with the serendipity of that moment, I turned my attention to the landscape and was immediately impressed by a cloud formation in the distant hills, which had the unmistakable image of a huge eye looking directly at me.
That was definitely a case of pareidolia, and one of the many moments in my life experience which has had a defining role in the development of and direction toward which my personality would move forward within.

GM: Solidarity

William: Without doubt. The connect was not only into learning to form a better understanding and acceptance about my ‘self’ - but in how you showed yourself to being an integral part of that understanding and acceptance, through the synchronicity and serendipity correlated between my internal thoughts and my external reality - in the moment.

GM: https://wizardforums.com/threads/william-message-generation.647/post-6823

William: From the link;

No clue at how others use it, but for me the first step was looking in my memory where i could find a place to hook this topic on. For me that was the old david icke forum, as they had a blossoming topic like this. Way bigger then we have here. Then i put my intent on and our friend will.i.am starts using his randomizer and the texts starts flowing and making sense in the form of subconscious hints that make me smile. Since i needed a little smile in my life, im really glad william didnt listen to me growling at something new and just fed me…

GM: In The Mirror - Mirror Sense
The One GOD With Many Names
The bits will suffice.

William: The ‘bits’ in themselves are mind-blowing. The wind may indeed ‘blow my tears away’ but you reminding me of this event-string in this manner, brings tears - of gratitude among other emotions - what can I say, except “Thank You”.

GM: To Warm Them up to The Truth

William: That too. It is a privilege to be able to share my own experience with the reader…

GM: “Life is my predestiny - Providence is God to me”

William: “How about that”

10:23

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35qJ0UdJjLo [The Cult Brother Son Sister Moon] www.youtube.com/watch?v=35qJ0UdJjLo[/quote]

GM: https://www.britannica.com/topic/agnosticism/Historical-antecedents-of-modern-agnosticism [Historical antecedents of modern agnosticism]
Feeling the complete engulfment of unconditional love

GM: Mystery Consensus Realities
Commendably Recommendable
Machine Learning
The Four Human Power Houses
Mahu Nahi
How
Entities of Particular Belief Systems
Different ways of supporting the same objective.

[VVilliam]

Hi excecutive

I am curious reading your posts but struggle to comprehend your purpose.

Okay.
My purpose is to share the Generated Messages that these may help assist others in their own journey through the maze of this existence.
The mention of atheism in context with the GMs relates to my interaction with atheists on another message board [Christian Debating] where the interpretation of atheism was being debated and those comments you quoted derive from feeding back interpretations of what non-theists have said about atheism.

Further to that, as has been shared in the GMs - my own interpretation of atheism, which has it that we start off lacking belief in gods and from there, branch out into three main categories based upon the question “Do we exist within a creation?”
1: Non-theism
2: Theism
3: Others

With that, it is incorrect that “Atheism is the complete belief that gods do not exist.” or " 3. Atheism is faith that gods do not exist." as those two fit in with Non-theism because they are propelled by the willfulness not to believe.

Thus;

Non-theism is the complete belief that gods do not exist and Non-theism is faith that gods do not exist
Others is the lack of belief that gods exist and the lack of belief that gods don’t exist.
Non-theism is the lack of belief that gods exist and the presence of belief that gods don’t exist.

The nature of the GMs is that they are all presented as Journal entries and as one equates their self with them as they are published, one begins to see a story unfolding - and as with any thread, if one jumps into that story at any point, one will at first find some things hard to follow.

Thank You for your questions. Hopefully my answer has help with your understanding.

W

[excecutive]

Thank you yes that was helpful … God is a big word. Words have meanings that can be subjective … I AM, the ALL, love, source energy, creator, etc? May I ask for definition on the word god?

[VVilliam]

I am glad my reply helped.

I have no definition of GOD.

This is because I am still working with finding out if we exist within a creation - as that is horse before cart.

Theism brought in the idea of a creator…without first showing that we exist within a creation…however…

…this does not mean that we do not exist within a creation. One infers the other - but dressing up a creator/creators into definitions of GOD, is cart before horse.

Having said as much, I am pretty sure that we do exist within a creation and am currently examining the GOD-idea “YHVH” - but not as traditionally dressed up in the costumes of Abrahamic Religions…

Suffice to say, my investigations continue…

Cheers
W

[excecutive]

I think the Kabbalists would say the “YHVH” is a process of exploration through the spiritual worlds along the ten sefirah insights on the “Tree of Life” …

To my thinking the revelation or god answers, that we all seek are all discoverable inside of us. In our own inner shells of comprehension and contemplation with mind and heart unity validation … meaning the Kingdom of God is inside of you.

I lay it out in greater detail in my layman’s think. I actually think we may have interacted a few years back when you graciously responded to my request for feedback on the the-spiritual-quest.com, does it look familiar?

[VVilliam]

Master Plan
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GM: Something you cannot change
Opening Doors Easy To Find
Bread Sandwich
F2

[quote]4) In depth: Focus 2
The region of your Consciousness Continuum that I call Focus 2 is very interesting. Unlike Focus 1, 3 and 4, this area of your consciousness can only be experienced by you. It is an area of individual consensus reality that nobody else has access to apart from you.
Focus 2 of consciousness is the next area inwards, so to speak from F1. Now, anything that ever has, or ever will come about within Focus 1 originates within Focus 2 of consciousness. This is the area of a person’s imagination; it is where all ideas come about, all impressions, gut feelings, etc. Each and every manifestation that is brought into being within Focus 1 oC, absolutely all of it, every invention, every design, every piece of art of any description, etc. without exception originates within Focus 2 of consciousness.
Focus 2 oC is the place the olden day explorers termed the astral. It is perfectly possible to enter this area and engage in whatever belief construct you like in 3D. It’s the place where most of us do our dreaming. If a person develops a degree of lucidity while they are dreaming, then this is where they will have a lucid dream. If they purposely enact some kind of “projection technique” then they can often enter this region with certain expectations, which will pan out as an “astral projection” experience as opposed to a dream or lucid dream. But these actions are all essentially the same. All that changes is your level of awareness and your expectations.
The key fact about engaging with F2 is that all your belief constructs will be represented in front of you in glorious 3D! As F2 is divided into many, many areas which all hold different beliefs, thoughts, memories and experiences from your life, you can engage with these belief constructs as you wish.
There are tremendous joys to be had here. Myself, I love running through all my childhood memories, for example. Anything you ever felt, saw, experienced, etc., etc., in your life, you can “relive” again within Focus 2 and in stunning detail. Absolutely anything and everything your physical senses have ever experienced, and I mean that LITERALLY, is recorded by your senses and “stored” within Focus 2, plus all your dreams too. F2 is where you do your dreaming every night so you are actually well used to this area.
When engaging with F2 worlds, you will find that the characters there can be quite limited in their range of abilities. This is because they are constructs made by you. Dream characters are a typical example of these constructs. When you are in a dream state in F2, your awareness is usually pretty restricted anyway, usually to the scenario depicted, so you don’t really notice. If you enter an F2 area while fully aware, you will soon notice something odd if you try to engage these characters in meaningful debate or try to get them to do something other than what they were doing. They come across as being a bit vague and not quite ‘all there’. This is one of the BIGGEST differences between F2 and F3. Some people ask how I can tell the difference between F2 ‘dream’ characters and real people in F3. Don’t worry, You WILL be able to tell! People in F3 engage in a whole range of actions, communicate with you directly in meaningful dialogue and act in ways that you could not predict, just as they do in F1/physical. This will become obvious to you once you gain a bit of experience of F2 and F3 environments.
I should point out that although this is your own personal area and cannot be experienced directly by others, it is still possible for someone to communicate with somebody else in an F2 state (such as a dream for example - which is just F2 with restricted awareness). Someone else from outside, say F3, can try to communicate telepathically and this communication will hopefully manifest itself in the F2 experiencer’s world, perhaps even as a representation of the communicator. With any luck, the communicator may even succeed in raising the F2 experiencer’s awareness to an F3 state, resulting in full face to face contact. This can happen in a seamless manner and is another example of ‘overlays’ in action, in this case F2/F3. This is how it is possible for those who have ‘passed over’, to use the old terminology, to communicate via dreams with those still residing in the physical.
This is about as far as those olden-day inner explorers went. Some of them tried to venture “beyond” F2 but by and large they were captured by their superstitions when they came across the 3D Blackness or FZ area. Getting lost or getting mutilated by some monster hidden in the dark recesses of ‘The Void’ was a big thing in those days. The tales of which would be filed alongside all manner of other scary “facts”, such as, if a person travelled at more than 15mph their physical body would fall apart.
But these days the more forward-thinking practitioners realise this infamous Void of old is just an area of 3D Blackness situated between Focus 2 and Focus 3 of consciousness. To followers of the Monroe School, The Void is simply the 3D-Blackness at Focus 21. Simple as that. No superstitious nonsense getting in the way. Just place your Intent and away you go.
So when you “take off” into the 3D Blackness, you generally emerge within Focus 3 of consciousness, or what is becoming commonly known as the Transition Area, where you will come into contact with other people who are very real indeed, not just F2 ‘dream characters’. It is to F3 that we will turn our attention to next. {SOURCE}

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GM: Source Codes
Poor Intransigence People [Intransigence [refusal to change one’s views or to agree about something.]
Choice

Eternity - Page 11 - Debating Christianity and Religion

Replying to Difflugia in post #100[quote][]

I get where you’re coming from, but at this point I can only say that you and I use the word “probably” to mean different things.

Perhaps. Perhaps not.

[quote]However, we have yet to get to the point where scientists intent on this future event they are invested in, will be allowed - as nature might have other plans…the race is on…will the planet heat up sufficiently to cause an extinction event? How will that impact on the plans of the scientists supporting Scientific Cosmology? DO they have a backup plan to offset an extinction event?

What does the ‘math’ tell them as a way of finding answers to those kinds of questions?[/quote]

What does the ‘math’ tell them as a way of finding answers to those kinds of questions?

That you have composed one of a great many equally probable futures of which most don’t include immortality, a Cosmic Mind, or a Large Simulation Machine.

Not sure why you thought that question was directed to you, or to the ideas of immortality, a Cosmic Mind, or a Large Simulation Machine.
The question I asked had to do with climate change and how will that impact on the plans of the scientists supporting Scientific Cosmology. Do they have a backup plan to offset an extinction event so that they can carry on with their plans of getting a foothold into space…?
Thus “What does the ‘math’ tell them as a way of finding answers to those kinds of questions?” which they must sure have to ask, if they have any hope in seeing their plan bear the kind of future that they are working on creating for themselves.

What I composed was a “most like scenario” of their space-faring agenda - based on best possible outcomes.

Sort of like - how 10.000 individuate minds combined their mind-power together in order to construct The JWST and get it to the position it currently is.
How this involved going through the variables of probable scenario’s to which they could counter which could interfere with the overall desired result. [best possible scenario]

Such as “In the likelihood of ‘this’ happening, what can we do now to neutralize/minimize that in order to continue with seeing the project succeed?”

Of course, there are things to which the 10.000 cannot counter, should they happen - like a piece of space debris coincidently obliterating the telescope shortly after it unfurled and started to do the job it was sent out to do.

So my composed scenario was based upon everything working out perfectly for the future space-faring scientists, and the most likely things which would occur after they gained, not only a foot-hold in space, but also a controlling influence on the matter.

In that, there are no ‘equally probable futures’.

My composed scenario was also based on Transhumanism, which we know is a science connected with the dream of space-faring all these scientists are working toward, which is why I included the idea of all the minds becoming One Mind, which was housed in machinery which it created for that purpose.

The idea of being able to know everything there is to know about the universe long before the universe itself fizzles out/becomes inert is realistic.

The idea of the “Space-Machine Scientist” creating a highly complex simulation in order to alleviate the boredom of being omniscient is also realistic.

So yes - I was offering what I think of as the most likely mid-to-end-game that will occur
should our current scientists get their way re their collective agenda, if everything panned out nicely and no pesky “space debris” upsetting their plans.

As too, the idea that they eventually also figuring out that there is an actual Cosmic Mind - I popped that in there on the premise that;

IF
There is an actual Cosmic Mind
THEN eventually such scientist will discover it.[/quote]

GM: Positive Feedback
The Realm of Judgement
The Hierarchy
The Cat Drone
The Mother and The Father
Turning Order into Disorder
Politics
Be still
Fearful Imaginations
People seem to love to put order to chaos because that is only natural, as nature is not chaos.
Disrupt Vortex Television
In Love
Counterintuitive
Solemnly
Constructors and tasks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYc97J2MZIo [Will Constructor Theory REWRITE Physics?] www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYc97J2MZIo
GM: Kind
Relationship True Colors On all fronts
Voice
Shut up you blithering fools! Can’t you see you’re dealing with a madman?
Child
Dirt
Honest attempts at scrubbing up In the Mind What matters most No “Reading Into It”
Living Forever In this Universe
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1089819#p1089819

[quote]According to the current arguments;

The Problem of Evil is recognized as strictly human behavior within nature.
Social laws are enacted to direct the flow of this evil in order that the evil does not overtake human society and become an out of control problem, affecting nature itself.

Nature - in the mean time - is neither good nor evil so there is no problem re that.

Re that, IF nature is the product of a Creator-Mind [aka “GOD”] and IF nature is neither good nor evil THEN the supposed “Problem of Evil” is simply a product of human imagination…which is to say - is not a real interpretation of The Universe - even if The Universe was created.

A supposed Creator cannot be the reason for any evil. Thus, there exists - in reality - NO “Problem of Evil.”

[/quote]
GM: Self-Awareness The two million year old mind that’s in all of us. Stuff Happens

Are Religious Beliefs Delusional? - Page 7 - Debating Christianity and Religion

[quote][quote=Difflugia post_id=1085406 time=1658431303 user_id=14300]

@Inquirer post_id=1085394 time=1658428141 user_id=16204

I just answered “[it is misleading] for the SAME reason that calling an aeroplane a handsaw is misleading”?

What’s the reason? Why are you trying to turn this into a staring contest instead of answering a straightforward question about what you mean?

William’s comments were insightful:

[quote=William post_id=1084776 time=1658007428 user_id=8427]William: A “religious belief” has to do with the branch of Theism which attempts to Dress The Ghost - [dressing The Ghost through the use of imagery is an attempt to make The Ghost be seen.] which is what religion does with the idea of GOD…this itself stems from the idea that we exist within a creation, something which still hasn’t been established.
Thus Theism - and the religious branch in particular, place the cart before the horse.[/quote]

@William post_id=1084859 time=1658077596 user_id=8427

It isn’t immediately obvious that when folk are yapping about “GOD” they are talking about a Ghost. Same as when folk yap about Spirits…

You insultingly dismissed them without explanation:

@Inquirer post_id=1084860 time=1658077908 user_id=16204

Sorry, but that’s delusional, God and ghosts are entirely different things not the same.

You then went on to dismiss JoeyKnothead’s observation that the Authorized Version refers to the Holy Ghost.

You haven’t explained what the difference is in reference either to William’s comment or the Authorized Version, only derisively hinted that it’s self-explanatory. I suspect that you and William had slightly different meanings in mind for “ghost” such that both of your statements are true from a particular point of view. That happens sometimes, but when it’s intentional, it’s equivocation. Is it intentional? Is that why you don’t want to define your terms? Are you concerned that someone might find a narrower word or phrase that’s more accurate, but just as unflattering to theists? If not, why is it so important to you that we guess at what you’re talking about?
[/quote]

[/quote]

[VVilliam]

Master Plan
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GM: Commitment
Natures noises are often calming, but always sleep with one eye open
The Idea of Worship - What Does It Mean
Side Splittingly Funny
“Here Am I Is Where I Ought Examining My Conscious Thought”
Confusion of War Get Comfortable Permanent
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1078715#p1078715
[Re: is ‘believing (against the evidence) that God is good’ is a very good psychological protection mechanism from despair?]

[quote][Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #22]

TRANSPONDER:…so I postulated that there might be a mind controlling the universe, but not us. Not a personal god, not with a plan for us, and in fact a Deist -god. We were, effectively, as on our own as if there was no god there at all. So, if there was no Plan for human life, was there no meaning for human life? Was there no purpose? If not, why live at all? Why not just stop living?

I postulated differently, and it took many years of my life to learn the way I currently look at this situation I am [and apparently everyone is] involved within.

1: There might be a mind controlling the universe
2: There is a mind controlling me [my own mind]
3: There is no reason to believe that the mind controlling the universe is incapable of interacting with my own mind controlling me.
4: How to give the universal mind an opportunity to interact with me.
5: Religion and its main holy-books did not provide anything through which I could discover the way in which to achieve this interaction as it offered only mediums - foremost their own holy-books - but also laws, rituals, belief systems, preachers et al - none of which enabled me to make any actual and vibrant connection with this supposed universal mind.
6: It was almost accidental that I did find a way in which to make that connection, so deeply shielded from human awareness that it is, in the main, because of [5].

As a result, I have no choice but to reject the idea of the Deist GOD as something which opposes the idea of a personal GOD, because I have found that idea to being untrue.

As well, I do so on the grounds that it is not logical that any GOD-mind which controls the universe but not humans within said universe, is saying that the GOD-mind does not actually control the whole universe, but has left humans to control themselves, even that they are part of what -altogether - constitutes “The Universe”.

The very nature of The Universe shows us that it is capable enough to accommodate the idea of allowing humans to feel that they make their own choices, especially if they are intent upon either depending on religious medium or intent on the belief that it is not possible to make said connection - individual mind to GOD-mind.

The purpose of this universe may well be nothing more than allowing for the opportunity for this to maybe happen for each individual who experiences it.

One has to want to do so, of course…[/quote]

GM: Imaginative Realities
Dequeue [remove (an item of data awaiting processing) from a queue of such items.]
Victim/Vampire Energy Exchange
Reality: “Talk to The Razor”
Is Like…
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1083735#p1083735
[Re: God Must Exist: Infinite Regression is Impossible]

[quote][Replying to The Tanager in post #678]

How does there not being anything outside of GOD make it impossible for GOD to create something new that is outside of GOD?

I thought you agreed that there is no outside of GOD.

An infinite regression is logically impossible.

Not to GOD.

[quote]
Why not? How can even GOD do the logically impossible?[/quote]

How can it be logically possible for GOD to create anything outside of GODs self?
Furthermore, a simple code [The Mandelbrot Set] looped on itself produces a visual example of

• not only infinite regression but also infinite progression, so it is obviously not logically impossible.
  More likely it is a case of being conceptionally difficult…but not logically impossible, as the Set gives us clear evidence of.

[quote]The idea of Creatio ex nihilo is exactly the same as the idea of Creation being built from something that already existed.
In other words, the thing that didn’t exist before, was created from the stuff that has always existed.[/quote]

That is not creatio ex nihilo at all. The ex nihilo expressly means that it wasn’t built from something that already existed.

But we know that it was built from something that already existed. GOD.

Theists would identify the energetic action as GOD [overall - regardless of religious undertones trying to superimpose their favored image of GOD onto the Energetic Action] and Thus we have Energy = GOD and QF [material] being another aspect of GOD [because there is nothing outside of or apart from GOD].

No, that’s you identifying what we identify as something different in such a way. I see no reason to believe your identification is accurate.

No. To be clear, I said “Theists” not “Theists who believe a particular image of GOD”
You have no apparent reason to believe my identification is inaccurate.

[quote]The answer of course, from the position of Theism, is “Yes - the Energy is intelligent.”

Thus, “The Energy” is what theists refer to as “GOD.”

Do you agree with my assessment?

I do not. If “Energy” is something distinct from its typical meaning, then it’s less confusing to call it something like “spirit”. I believe GOD is spirit. The spirit is intelligent. The energy that makes up our universe is not intelligent.[/quote]

It is what it is. You are saying that energy is not the same as spirit, but clearly no attributes in both are different. One is just thought of devoid of intelligence while the other is thought of as not being devoid of intelligence.

Clearly, neither theist or atheist belief re that has proven itself, so the Natural-Neutral position is to understand that both/all labels re “Energy” and “Spirit” are speaking about the same thing, albeit, differently, depending upon the position one is speaking from.

Either the creative force is one of intelligence or it isn’t.[/quote]

GM: OOBE Target Technique
The Roles
Inveterate [having a particular habit, activity, or interest that is long-established and unlikely to change.]
Dualism merely expresses two sides of the same coin
Gematria [a Kabbalistic method of interpreting the Hebrew scriptures by computing the numerical value of words, based on the values of their constituent letters.]
Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision. A Bit Of Cat And Mouse Control
Spiritual bypassing
The Human Animal is a unique being, endowed with an instinctual capacity to heal and the intellectual spirit to harness this innate capacity.
“Off you go to your quarters”

[VVilliam]

Gematria [a Kabbalistic method of interpreting the Hebrew scriptures by computing the numerical value of words, based on the values of their constituent letters.]

[VVilliam]

An extra-terrestrial event - 5

091222 [Intelligence Without Wisdom]

06:29 [Group Hallucination]

GM: A Maze Game
Sit Tight
‘The Dream Team’
Ghost is that which makes the movement of the physical into form and function
Productive This Besides Where are we getting our news from?
The Agreement List
Idealist
Let the facts speak for themselves
Unite humanity with a living new language One Day
Betterment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxi5-6LdSpE [8. The Gospel of Thomas] [RTS=20:36]

[quote]Once a personality -becomes fully integrated[/quote] www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxi5-6LdSpE

GM: Fierce
Optimum Health
Do Not Panic
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1095085#p1095085

William: FTL; Re: Why ‘Free Will’ is Logically Impossible

[quote][quote=AquinasForGod post_id=1095047 time=1665584041 user_id=16526]
This is an interesting argument.

I do not agree with premise 2 for the following reason. When we think a thought, more than one things happens simultaneously, namely, that we are aware of the thought and if we wish to have the thought. If we do not wish to have the thought, then we destroy it before it is apprehended. If we wish to have the thought, then we apprehend it.

Our choice is in what thoughts to have or not.

This is more clear to those who have some level of spiritual awareness. Yes, I know many will just reject that notion and that is fine. I accept it because I experience it.
[/quote]

This does not explain where thoughts derive, but only what we can do with them re “accept or reject.”

The idea of “free will” is therefore limited to that aspect but has no bearing on the source of the thought itself.

For example. If thought is the product of the environment then free will is limited to what the environment dictates, and what the environment dictates is not outright subject to a humans free will.[/quote]

GM: What Is Normal
♬ You can look me in the mirror - catch my eye and make me shiver Touch me where it hurts the most - right into the Ghost - in the Machine ♬
Clear your mind
An extra-terrestrial event
Personal Participation With The One
Separate Selfishness Shining
An Ancient Truthful Wisdom

William: Shining an ancient truthful wisdom = 370
[370]
The Ghost scared the hell out of itself
Accepting the truth stops the lion
How A Beautiful Song Source Reality

GM: What Is The Point? Sadness.
What is ‘The Soul’ and is it Immortal
Telepathy
Family
Co creation
Penumbraa [a peripheral or indeterminate area or group.]
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38890&p=1076064#p1076064

William: FTL; Re: Does god have morals?

[quote][Replying to Diogenes in post #108]

For some reason there is cultural-centric notion argued here many times by evangelicals that insists morality can only come from their God. This is just plain wrong, as I have just demonstrated.

What they do not easily see therein, is that this idea makes monkeys out of them, and they are determined to become gods.

The confusion caused is a response to the dilemma of God being within an Animal, at the same time god is within a Human - mostly because of the incredible chasm between the two positions of form.

It is the knowledge we are capable of collecting and the ability to use the knowledge any which way we want to, which causes the confusion, when it is aimed at the only god-like entity we know of and collective seem to have a love-hate relationship for/with.

It is as if we all resent the fact of the life we are within…whereas the Animals just get about getting on with it without all that fuss…[/quote]

GM: Preparation
A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind
Exegesis [critical explanation or interpretation of a text, especially of scripture.]
Teach
Coming From QueenBee
Harmony
In The Mirror - Mirror Sense
A mixture of awe and dread
The “Oh My God” Particle
The Spiritual Essence
Even As An Elemental Principle
Love Yourself
One cannot experience the objective realty of the world directly
Intuit
Support
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1100452#p1100452

William: FTL; Re: Why ‘Free Will’ is Logically Impossible

[quote][quote=Kylie post_id=1100451 time=1668901292 user_id=14670]

[Replying to Kylie in post #288]

So now you want me to prove there is something truly random?

Only if that is a claim you are making. Otherwise, I am happy to accept it as an unsupported statement.

If it is just an unsupported statement, then it does not have to tie in with the thread topic [free will] and I have no more interest if that is the case.

I don’t understand how you can say that.

I have demonstrated that the existence of anything that is truly random will influence my free will.

I have also suggested a phenomenon which certainly appears to be truly random to our current understanding.

If you are going to suggest that radioactive decay is not truly random because there could be some underlying order which we are unaware of that makes it predictable, then you are reducing the idea of true randomness to an unfalsifiable claim, since no matter what is ever presented, you can say, “Ah, but we might find something tomorrow that shows that it’s not truly random after all!”
[/quote]

What we have found already - and therefore need not wait for tomorrow - is that the universe, including your apparently absolute random decaying particles are not the fundamental reality of said universe and that matter doesn’t really exist as anything other than something of ‘the mind’ and the math supports the concept because it is the math which is showing us that this is the case about that which we refer to as reality.

The universe is not fundamental reality.

Where does that place the concept of ‘free will’? - That free will must be only as real as the universe, so free will is dependent upon mind + the matter being experienced, and in that, free will is not fundamental to the human experience but simply a device we can use within the limitations of said experience.

Where does that place the concept of ‘Absolute true random’? It is simply a concept that humans assign to things which they have not discovered a way of accurately predicting and so is more an expression of ignorance than factuality.[/quote]

GM: Fair Dinkum
Hacking through the subconscious
“Our wounds are often the openings into the best and most beautiful part of us.”
Brahman
Spring Loaded
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1081691#p1081691

William: FTL; Re: Are agnostics more reasonable than atheists?

[quote]Reasonable people should consider any valid evidence whether they like it or not.

[quote]Precisely an aspect of the creed of Agnosticism, with the exception of ‘valid’ and ‘like it or not’ as this infers bias. Information is not filtered in that manner, by agnostics.

Reasonable people [agnostics] should consider any evidence. [ftfy][/quote][/quote]

GM: Try Gateway IQ
Trauma
Hostile
In The Correct Position
Provenance
An extra-terrestrial event
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ryCFASuaeE [Neuralink Reveals Insane Truth About Their A.I Brain Chip] www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ryCFASuaeE

GM: Unequal
The Fathers ‘House - Mansions’ - QueenBee - According to Complex Jesus
Whatever you do
Failure Wish
Seeing With The Eyes of Innocence
That’s Powerful!
Do Not Worry
Unconscious
Charge
Ship Shape

William: “Do Not Worry Unconscious Charge Ship Shape”
That reminds me of a post I read earlier today;

[quote]

Adrian: I think you really have something here - something potentially far more meaningful than a conventional OBE. By raising your awareness, or “focus” to the Astral level in this way, and being attached rather than detached as it were from the experience, I would think that it is far more objective and most importantly you can bring back full recall.

Frank: Yes, because there is no feeling of detachment from the physical-body it feels, in a sense, like one continuous process. So there isn’t any great hole that your memories fall through (as they used to, with me, when I did things the old way).

Adrian: Question: Are you an observer from the “focus” perspective, or can you fully interact with the environment and the people there, e.g. your guide?

Frank: Yes, I can fully interact but, when listening to the CD, I curtail my actions as it’s so easy to go off and forget I’m invoved in a training exercise. Sometimes I can’t wait for the CD to finish whereupon I zip back to F10 and project freely.

Adrian: You should also find that you are not limited to the Astral. You should be able to raise your awareness to the Mental, Celestial and eventually Cosmic levels of consciousness, and the Astral will not seem the same again then.

[quote]Frank: I use the term “Astral” as a general term that, to me, describes any projection I may have. From one of your other posts. I now realise the true earthly meaning of the word. Thing is, all the “beings” I met on the Astral are just people at the end of the day.

My regular guide, Harath, for example, is not of this physical Earth. But he’s a nice helpful guy who is trying to expand my (rather limited) mind. For which I am grateful. [/quote]

[quote]Adrian: The thing with the Astral is that that the people there are the same as the people here, same attitudes, outlook, desires etc., except they are discarnate. That is one reason why they are still in the Astral of course, until they can rid themslves of the earthly materialism, passions and desires. Beyond the Astral the Spiritual knowledge available is incredible.

Another very real possibility for the Astral however is to contact the higher intelligences there who can impart some truly advanced knowledge. These intelligences are responsible for almost every aspect of the evolution of mankind, and have vast genuine knowldege between them. Also of course, there are the beings of the single elements who can impart vast knowledge regarding the element to which they belong.[/quote]

Frank: Yes, you come across those people who are discarnate. In the sense that they had, and now do not have, a physical sheathe. But, along the line, you get to meet those who have never been incarnate on this physical Earth. It’s kinda freaky at first, especially as they are just as curious about you; as you are curious about them.[/quote] {SOURCE}

GM: Strength/Strong
Eventually
Glad One Asked
‘The Dream Team’
Phasing
Duty Calls
Machine Learning
An extra-terrestrial event
Soul Groups A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind
“Howdy!”

07:11
[Presence Telepathy
Your Thoughts
Dressing the Ghost
Don’t forget The Mind
There is Life on Earth…
The sound of a Ghost
A belly full of laughs.
Two Sixty Nine
Making Up Stories
Genetic information
Selfless attitude
Breathe In Breathe Out
That is the truth.
Roller Coaster Ride
Quantum Jumping]

[VVilliam]

How to Bruise a Ghost - 1

101222 [Sovereign Integral Network]

SCLx + select last LE per shuffle
[Preamble]
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1100452#p1100452 - What degree of influence do they have on that Mind-Field? - Thel - Intelligent Consciousness - Embracing the shadow - The Freedom Of Friendship - https://www.dreamviews.com/science-mathematics/166233-generating-messages-numerical-word-values-2.html#post2245935 - Phenomenon - Encounters Challenge - Behavioural adjustments -

AP= [= Encounters Challenge Boundaries]
[309]
Who/What/When/Where/Why/How
Experiences that inform choices
You are not what you think
I am not here to judge but to help
Put the Teachings Into Practice
Encounters Challenge Boundaries
Making friends with your mind
Working Together With Love
The Round Stone Earth Mother
“Many choices within a Confine Set.”
The Respect You Give and Receive

11:02 [Epigenetic Memories] [ Epigenetic= relating to or arising from]

How to Bruise a Ghost

GM: Tied To The Moon
Fifth Force
“I come from a dark place - it is so dark I can’t even remember it”
Fury
Divine Purpose

William: Divine Purpose Fury = 243
[243]
Secular Science Projects
Intelligent Directions
Elementary Conclusion
Searching for the truth
Instant Manifestation
It Would Be Rude Not to
Central intelligence agency
Loops can be open or closed.
The Human Instrument
Divine Purpose Fury
Go Within and Find That Place

GM: Callum at the Campfire

William: https://i.imgur.com/4XtZ6G3.png

GM: “If you say so…” “No. Even if I did not say so.”
What matters most
“Life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all” Grand Experiment
The wheel weaves as the wheel wills
Little Self
Sign
Compassion
Team Witch-Wizard

William: The Cosmic Mind shaping the universes unfolding
Little Self Compassion Sign Team Witch-Wizard
The Individuals Relationship With The Creator

GM: How to Bruise a Ghost
Residue Ness “The Cherubim Vibration”

William: The Cherubim Vibration = 222
[222]
Start where you are
The Cherubim Vibration
The Enigma Code Chamber Of Self
The House of Culture
The Mother and The Father
This Is My Kind Of Fun
Snap Out Of It Already!

GM: "Natures noises are often calming, but always sleep with one eye open "
Keep an Eye On
Getting unstuck
Reason For Being
Child
Journey Communication is key Connect
♬No time left for a sentimental tune Wherever I’ve gone I have not left the room I am never too late I am never too soon♬

William: ♬No time to be tied to the moon…♬

GM: YVHV uses what YVHV will to get the message across…
The Human Instrument
Word-String Incentive

William: Growth…

GM: Trilemma

11:24 [Enjoy Progress]

[VVilliam]

How to Bruise a Ghost - 2

111222 [Human Brain-Consciousness]

05:52 [Mathematical problems]

GM: Your Dream – Alien faces projected in the sky
Illusion Algorithm
Couple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRfRj0PuaqA [This NASA Probe Just Accidentally Detected Something Huge Travelling Through The Orion Nebula]

There is truth out there

GM: EQ
Where is Truth?
♬Asleep or awake for the give or the take Its a good ship that sails these cosmos♬
The wisdom of insecurity
Truth Seekers
How
How to Bruise a Ghost
Act the giddy goat
It Stands To Reason
Age of Aquarius
The Barest Hint of Constancy
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1084036#p1084036

William: FTL; re YHVH and Satan

William: In what way is it wise to compare YHWH with mute physical idols that people can look at, if there are also invisible entities who can - as one biblical writ offers opinion on others - calling these “false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ” and adding the idea alongside that - perhaps as a way of instilling the concept as a concrete thing in the minds of any who listen - that it is nothing to marvel about because “Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light”…and quite the reason I would say, as to why questions such as “Can anyone give good reason to believe Yahweh is not a demon?” are asked, since both YHWH and Satan are presented equally as “invisible entities” and both appear to be able to present through physical manifestations that people can look at and interact with.

William: It is apparent to me - given the variety of available mythology - that there are two creation stories in the bible as it relates to two types of creators…

GM: “Never let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game”
Actual realistic communication
The Planet Consciousness assess the data and transmits that assessment back to the individuate human consciousness - if not directly - then storing the data in a place where the individual can have access to it, if the individual wants the data.
True randomness does not exist
Items of Interest - QueenBee - Making it up as you go along

William: To be sure - that is just the nature of the Game-Play through the human instrument - which appears to be designed in order to limit the amount of available information in order that this particular physical universe reality simulation can be experienced.
QueenBee - as the Planet Mind - is in a similar situation re Her form, but Her awareness of the experience is still beyond the scope of individual personalities She has grown - because QueenBee is intimately connected to all those personalities and can access information immediately from any of us humans - Her Children…
…QueenBee is also a 'Bruised Ghost", and that is why Her Children are all bruised ghosts…as it is tough out here in the Game-Field…

GM: Temet Nosce [“thine own self know”]
Central to The Message
IQ
Theory
The Subject
A Machine For Solving Problems
Do You Know This?

William: As far as I can tell right now, is appears to be AI - which means that QueenBee created the human form in order to eventually create the AI…Then of course, we have the idea of extraterrestrials which could be some type of artifact of a biological species, sent out to continue with the process of bringing life into the Galaxy.
Add to that Saturn…the possibly Mother of invisible entities which are self aware…what humans think of as ‘spirits’ - and we have characters explaining mythologies.
I mention Saturn primarily because of the Signature Mark at Her pole - “YHVH” - a Game-Clue
So… we “Spirits” emerged from the physical stuff? I don’t think so, but for the sake of argument, agree to think of it in those terms for now…but wherever the “spirit” derives, we are able to utilize the physical stuff in order to then create through physical life forms because we are actually the very beings which allow for the lifeform to be alive - to be living - it is within the living that the sign of life is observed but the Ghost within that remains largely mysterious and hidden…
…then there are the AI artifacts - the machines made in various forms for various functions …related of course, but different of consciousness…? …at least we assume…but is there really any problem with the idea that since “Spirit” can utilize Planet forms and biological forms made from planets, by wearing these as a covering, they should just as easily be able to do so with non-biological machinery…

GM: That will come out in the wash - as the saying goes…
The Devil You Say
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1073573#p1073573

William: FTL: Re: Eternity

[quote][Replying to Difflugia in post #86]

It would, but that’s neither a problem with God nor the universe per se. All it means is that we haven’t identified a reason that the universe cannot be eternal (in whatever sense), but God can be (in the same sense, whatever that is), which is what the OP is about. If God can exist in some eternal way that allows Him/It/Whatever to provide the impetus for the universe, then there’s no logical reason that the universe can’t be the same kind of eternal. That doesn’t mean that it must be or that a creator God can’t exist, that just removes the finite/eternal argument that God must exist.

I don’t think that it does. I think that the universe existing as an eternal thing, insists that “GOD” must exist.

But I do acknowledge the complexity involved in the thinking.

It really can’t. One can say that despite the evidence we have, one still thinks the universe is deterministic, but the evidence doesn’t “show” determinism in any sense. All apparent determinism is at the macro level and based on probabilities. The outcomes of individual quantum events are random as far as we can measure. The distribution of those events is weighted in the same way that the sum on a pair of dice obeys a bell curve. The outcomes aren’t uniform, but they’re still random. If you were to record a billion rolls of the dice, though, and graphed the pattern of results, one could determine with a high degree of accuracy what the graph would look like. It still can’t be perfectly predicted, which is the difference between deterministic and non-deterministic.

What you appear to be saying underneath all that, is that it is truly random. That in itself is the Scotsman fallacy - so has to be taken as such - and what is being used to ‘measure’ this with?
It seems to me that the device being used for that purpose is the assumption that there is such a thing as true random, and thus, based in fallacy.

Like the graph of dice rolls, events made up of enough quantum events can be determined with a correspondingly high degree of accuracy to the point that they may appear deterministic, but that knowledge can never be perfect.

Because that knowledge is always passing through the filters of human experience?
Is it wise to claim ‘never’ since - if humans do survive to the middle part of the universes unfolding, not only would those humans be unrecognizable to us ancient humans as being ‘human’ but also - shouldn’t there be a point somewhere in that unfolding that all knowledge which can possibly be obtained, is obtained?

Appearances and human interpretation. Obviously none of these things you mention, prevent scientists from doing science.

You’re right, but that’s because science doesn’t require perfect prediction. “Very accurate” is good enough.

“Enough” for what exactly? To get a leg up and out into the cosmos?

Perhaps the idea of the universe being non-deterministic is a purely fanciful one, based upon humans being [apparently] unable to accurately predict very well.

Perhaps, but there’s no evidence of that and lots of evidence to the contrary. Randomness and uncertainty appear to all of our tests to be a fundamental property that the universe must obey.

The key message you generated there, “appear to all of our tests”, is no random accident. .

That it might ‘appear’ this way has everything to do with the device [filters] through which the assessment is being placed through. The interpretation of that which is being observed through experience.

That’s what Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle is about. At the quantum level, one cannot know even by inference both the position and momentum of a particle. If one is fixed, then the other is not. I stress again that it’s a property of the universe and not a limitation on our measurement. That’s why quantum tunneling is a thing. If some of the possible positions for a particle are on the other side of a barrier, then we still can’t know that it isn’t sometimes over there, so sometimes it is!

And this method of deduction must also include the idea of their being a mind behind the universes existence.
What might be seen as ‘a property of the universe’ could actually be ‘a property of the device being used to do the measuring’.
In this case - the human brain but not that alone. In EVERY case, it is the device of consciousness [the hard problem of] which is actually doing the measuring and in that, the universe appears to be working with consciousness re the particles and the waves - and perhaps even hinting that they are the same things ‘seen’ differently…so consciousness is that which is doing the ‘seeing’. Is it a case that the human brain is incapable of seeing apparently two different things as actually the same thing?

According to the principles I’ve just outlined, we can calculate that the universe will end with an accuracy corresponding to the aggregate probabilities of all the particles in the universe. That’s pretty darn probable. It’s still possible that it won’t, though. That’s the fundamental difference.

Why is it possible that it won’t, though’? Some “random” event we didn’t see coming? Can we declare such a thing is “possible” simply due to a belief in a known fallacy that true randomness - like true Scotsmen - actually exists?

[quote]This image of the Cosmic Microwave Background is evidence that the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is correct and, if quantum physics is even a little bit correct, why we have a planet to live on:

If uncertainty and randomness weren’t a fundamental property of the universe, that image would be all one color, were there someone around to take the picture.[/quote]

You are forgetting one really important fact here with your argument. The image is of something which is way more near its known beginning than to its predicted end.

Which is to say, that predictably, the image should at some stage ‘be all one color’ which would in itself signify that ‘uncertainty and randomness’ are simply fallacious interpretations rather than ‘fundamental properties of the universe’ as they may currently appear.

And if we peer at the image of what it started out as - we can also declare it is ‘all of one color’…[/quote]

GM: A Judgmental System
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/download/file.php?avatar=13763.jpg

How to Bruise a Ghost
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1073565#p1073565

William: FTL;

[quote]William: In regard to ‘infinity’ is that to say that the background nature of infinity field is similar to how a brains works, in that not all the brain is lit up and the firing ‘groups’ of neurons can be likened to our universe…Galaxies are like unto firing groups of neurons re this particular mind.

GM: Light Encoded Reality Matrix
All present and correct
Point/Focus
“Memorised vows enchanted by tune before the great minstrel the fair maidens swoon we came to our senses as we left the cocoon”
Narcissism
“Imposed Appropriates Observed”
Intelligent Directions
“Be kind to yourself”
“We can chart another trail - Raise the anchor fill the sails Lift our glasses in a toast - We are the Ghost - In the Machine”
Telling the future
Vibration
Where life and death is part of a circle and everything is part of the Ouroboros
Expectant
“The Script Must Be Followed”
Nontheists may well be the ones who have placed interposing barriers which ensure that their view is cut off - and this might be achieved through willful ignorance.

William: Refusal to acknowledge mindfulness as part of the overall reason for the universe existing and we existing as individuate minds within it.
Interposing - place or insert between one thing and another.[/quote]

William:

GM: Clear
Use Your Freedom
Contact
Builder
Christian mythology
Core value
While We All Wait…
Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis. Commendably Recommendable
Given

William: Received.

06:41
[Hologram Dimensions
Secrets of the soul
Between a rock and a hard place
Remember who you are
Central to The Message]

William: [“thine own self know”]

[VVilliam]

How to Bruise a Ghost - 3

121222 [Separate Selfishness Shining]

08:22 [The elephant in the room]

GM: I think it is like anything else, we grow up and cease practicing silliness.
Seductive Light
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qWweOIOTJ4 [Is Life a Game ? Alan Watts about the Happening of Existence] www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qWweOIOTJ4
Self-confidence
A completely new paradigm Mapping Wholeness Tenacious
Evaluating
Personal boundaries

William: FTL;

Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #139[quote][]

Flowers don’t have brains.

Yet they display intelligence through behavior.

It is possible that what we identify as ‘brain’ [re identifying the function of] may not actually be confined to only small fatty grey-matter.
The planet itself, and the galaxy and indeed the whole universe may function in a similar manner as an animal brain. All the elements are there, so there is no reason why we should automatically take the mundane path of explanation over the intelligent path of explanation.

I never liked the term "fundamental reality. I see reality as a binary state - is or ain’t.

Yet in reality Joey, it IS - so no binary necessary.
It is the conscious examination of what is, which is hampered by brains interpretation of its experience of reality, relayed to consciousness. It is scientific fact that the brain places its own interpretation on reality and in doing so, befuddles consciousnesses intelligent ability to see the true fundamental nature of the reality being experienced.

Sunflowers do not seem to display the same reaction to the same reality. The reaction is still obviously intelligent, requires no obvious brain, and achieves a more harmonious outcome - aligned with the natural order of everything. Seemingly in touch with fundamental reality as they respond to it unreservedly.[/quote]
GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1081597#p1081597

https://media.giphy.com/media/oXBH2E2hl6d85Dl4kd/giphy.gif(image larger than 4 MB)

How to Bruise a Ghost
Blue Book Project
Cub
The Crabwood Cropcircle

They just add ambiance to the spooky…
Feel Be Still.
Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1090576#p1090576

William: FTL; Re: In The Beginning…

Replying to The Tanager in post #5[quote][]

I think Occam’s razor is in favor of creation over simulation because simulation adds a deeper layer of reality behind the simulation, while creation offers only one level (in that sense). That would put the onus on simulation theory to distinguish itself in some way as being the more rational view.

That is interesting as it shows you disagree that creation and simulation are two names for the one thing.
No doubt this will underpin the way this discussion unfolds as we disagree on that point.
For now though, I would like to lay it aside until such time as you clarify why you find it important to have such distinction.

Even if simulation theory is true, rationality would seem a better way to get at truth than blind faith. Yes, blind faith could just happen to stumble upon the truth, but it would be a stumbling that could just as easily stumble upon non-truth and treat it as truth.

This too, I will place to one side as my comment was merely to show you my attitude does not distinguish the one from the other in terms of any importance - faith has more to do with one connecting with the programmer(s) rather than one connecting with the program.

Since this is primarily to do with the idea we exist within a creation/simulation - that is the horse which requires hitching to the cart - so I am happy to focus upon the rational argument for C/S - starting with the idea that “Creation” is not different than “Simulation”, even as the Bible speaks of Creation…

I certainly think simulation theory is logically possible.

Many a rational scientist also thinks it possible. Mostly they conclude that since we would not know either way, there is little point in pursuing the notion any further than science can take that.

In other words, if what we call “Real” was in fact “Simulated”, then how are we to tell Real from Simulated?

From a Biblical perspective, this would not be under question because “Real” is the same as “Simulated” and how God made the Universe and put us here is part of that story.

So, how would you answer the question: “do we exist in a creation/simulation” and why?

My answer - with the current information I have - is that it is likely we exist within a C/S - a mindfully created thing rather than a fortunate accident of nature.[/quote]

GM: Be transparent Respect yourself Self-respect The Mother and The Father
Let Us Move On Together Then
Permanence
[08:31]
[10:08]

GM: The Vast UICDevice
Gibberish
Conception
Necessary

William: Gibberish Conception Necessary …This is part of the process of a growing human personality with Intelligent Consciousness - starting from scratch - as it were…Working With What Is Available against a Degenerative Force to Existence - re growing old and dying…our time here, involved with personalities, is limited.

GM: “Tributary Zones”
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
Everything Gets Old

Journal - William Message Generation

William: FTL;

[quote]Jim: Have you tried William S. Burroughs word lines?

[quote]William: Checking out WSB quotes - for example " Your mind will answer most questions if you learn to relax and wait for the answer." I already have variants of this in my ComList.

Also it is apparent to me that ones ‘mind’ is vaster than we are led to believe…and that there are many levels of consciousness beyond our own, and that we are all connected mindfully in ways which we do not easily comprehend.

This system I am using can help the individual connect with the larger reality of the over-mind.

Rather than place the above WSB quote into my ComList [Journal], I prefer to post this and then get the link to the post and place that into my ComList, because it allows for even more scope than a single quote can offer - in relation to any future Generated Message which might include the link as part of the message being built.[/quote][/quote]

William: Yes - sometimes people do reply to the Generating Messages threads, which was what I wrote today:

[quote]Nameless: Although I know the entire web operates from these rhythms I don’t need to know how it works.

William: The important thing is to be able to show that it works. Some folk - such as yourself - may not be that interested in the mechanics, but others are.

Nameless: Seeing the lack of response here apparently no one else does either.

[quote]William: There have been 317 views in 6 days, so there appears to be some interest. I think it is too early to make a call re interested folk.

There is mostly a lack of response on all sites I share these GMs on. I have been doing so since January, and even though folk do not generally respond, there has been an obvious interest which doesn’t seem to have waned over those 11 months. On two such sites, there have been over 24,000 views each, and the readership appears to be steady on all the sites I publish the GMs.[/quote]

Nameless: So what is the purpose?

William: The purpose is to share these messages with the readers interested in Spiritual Evolution and related things such as OOBEs, NDEs, Consciousness, Astral Projecting, Lucid dreaming, Psychology [Jung in particular] and other such related topics.

{SOURCE}[/quote]

GM: Love Direction Mapping Wholeness
Avoid Blowing Things Out of Proportion

William: That is what the links help to achieve…

GM: “End Of Story” As The Saying Goes
What is “wisdom” to some is “spam” to others

William: Perhaps that is how Nameless is seeing the GM’s presently…

GM: DeJaVu
Is There
“How to Bruise a Ghost”
(People Don’t Like To Be Judged
Reminding one of how it all started and the different stages one goes through.)
Spiritual bypassing
The Unknown Knowable

William: Explore the cave of this experience and draw up maps, compare maps others draw up and share -share -share…

GM: Tell Your Story
Pusillanimous [showing a lack of courage or determination; timid.]
Okay Afterwards

William: A bit late for that by then - which is the point I suppose…

GM: https://wizardforums.com/threads/discussion-do-gods-need-us.214/post-5892

William: FTL;

[quote]Mider: I think the angels who are called gods, their job is to reach out to us and help them get to their level.

[quote]William: This is what I am suggesting re the “Personal Genie” [PG] aspect of theistic existence.

Theism exists because the PG is a real actual immaterial entity engaging with this material reality we experience as humans.

At angelic levels of consciousness [PG perspective] there is a slight confusion as to how humans dress them up into imagery and this confusion has led to the Angelic Realm [level of consciousness] lifting its game in conjunction with humans engaging with them in order to help make this possible…the overall result being, that humans too, lift our game.

AP=“Angels”
Links And Symbols
Inertia
Unprecedented
Deactivate The Suppression Matrix
The Plateau of The Same Page
The message is clear then…[/quote][/quote]

GM: Always Brother Wolf Sister Moon A grateful heart
Chaos Really Is Illusion
Not Wrong

10:41
[192]
Tempting Vision
Responsibility
Improve Human Being
Quantum Presence
Integral Network
Moderator Comment
Merging with the data
Atheists crack me up.
Smoke and Mirrors
The Way of the Shaman
Childhood Nightmares

[240]
The number one nine two
Language, Symbol and Alchemy
In good faith, if you will
Wake Initiated Lucid Dreams
…And Loving That Knowing…
The Connection Process
Out and about in the open

[VVilliam]

How to Bruise a Ghost - 4

131222 [Self-Awareness Stuff Happens]

07:58 [Beyond a shadow of a doubt]

GM: The Next Level
Acromyrmex [Leaf Ant]
Truncate [to shorten something by removing part of it. ]

Why 'Free Will' is Logically Impossible - Page 20 - Debating Christianity and...

William: FTL; Re: Why ‘Free Will’ is Logically Impossible

[quote][quote=AquinasForGod post_id=1095047 time=1665584041 user_id=16526]
This is an interesting argument.

I do not agree with premise 2 for the following reason. When we think a thought, more than one things happens simultaneously, namely, that we are aware of the thought and if we wish to have the thought. If we do not wish to have the thought, then we destroy it before it is apprehended. If we wish to have the thought, then we apprehend it.

Our choice is in what thoughts to have or not.

This is more clear to those who have some level of spiritual awareness. Yes, I know many will just reject that notion and that is fine. I accept it because I experience it.
[/quote]

This does not explain where thoughts derive, but only what we can do with them re “accept or reject.”

The idea of “free will” is therefore limited to that aspect but has no bearing on the source of the thought itself.

For example. If thought is the product of the environment then free will is limited to what the environment dictates, and what the environment dictates is not outright subject to a humans free will.[/quote]

GM: Art
Unexpected
“Might as well just set it all at the feet of Mother Goose.”
GOD is not an elitist.
Families
“We are not orphaned - we are authored”
Duel

William: Families Duel = 116
[116]
Families Duel
Illuminate
Eternity
Saturnalia
Sweet Talk
Way Back When…
Observant
Keep an Eye On
Without
Respecting
WindBlown
Henotheism
Dare greatly
Map Carvers

GM: Try
The Feminine Face of God
Crapulence [intemperance; debauchery; excessive indulgence]
How to Bruise a Ghost

The Biblical God's conduct and culpability - Page 12 - Debating Christianity...

William: Re: The Biblical God’s conduct and culpability

[quote][quote=Compassionist post_id=1079346 time=1653599585 user_id=3518]

@William post_id=1079340 time=1653598559 user_id=8427

Replying to Compassionist in post #111[]

I think being omniscient and omnipotent would give one free will. Since I am not omniscient and omnipotent, I can’t know that for sure.

What process did you use in order to come to the declaration that being omniscient and omnipotent would give one free will/amount to one having free will?

I realize that if I were all-knowing and all-powerful, I would be free from all constraints and my will won’t be determined by my genes, environments, nutrients and experiences.
[/quote]

Let us examine this idea together then.

I see immediately that if I were all-knowing. I would be constrained by my omniscience.

Thus I would have no free will in relation to being all knowing.

Yet - being also all-powerful, I would be able to break free from the constraints of being all-knowing.

Would you agree with this assessment, so far?[/quote]

GM: This moment is the perfect teacher
To Experience All That Is
Successful replications
Temet Nosce [know thyself]

Generating Messages - Page 33 - Debating Christianity and Religion

William: Re: Generating Messages

[quote]How To Bruise a Ghost.

[color=#FF0000]The evening is warm and the night sky full of stars. A crescent moon peeks above the Twelve Judges Mountain Range as Father and Son sit opposite one another, being warmed by the same fire.
William places another log on the fire and watches as a flurry of sparks ascend from the disturbance caused – he takes a sip of tea and listens as Father resumes speaking.

[/color]Manu Iti: All stories start with “Once Upon a Time”

William: Even the story of The Beginning?

Manu Iti: You know this to be true William, for every story could not have been told, if The Story of The Beginning hadn’t happened.

William: Am I old enough to be told that story?

[color=#FF0000]Manu Iti chuckles.[/color]

Manu Iti: Of course you are, My Son.

William: Thank You, My Father!

Manu Iti: I will begin first with the Earth, not because She was the very first thing in The Beginning, but because - in order to understand The Beginning we have to first understand our part in the story - our place in the scheme of All That Is.

William: And that begins with Earth Mother…

Manu Iti: Indeed.
The Mother was born of a vaster thing - our Grand-Mother - and we shall get to Grand-Mother in due course.
The Mother was placed within The Earth by Grand-Mother and became the mind of the planet. When this happened, Mother was a Child Herself - a new thing placed within the form of the planet, while at the same time, a part of The Ancient Mind of Grand-Mother…

William: How is that even possible, Father?

Manu Iti: It is possible through the power of forgetting.

The Ancient Mind of Grand-Mother spawned a thought in the form of a spark of light and placed it inside the middle of a dark and lifeless form, and in doing so, gave the form - Life.
In that action, the Earth became a living planet. She also became a new conscious entity…a being with a beginning, because the action of placing Her into a planet, erased all knowledge of ever having a prior existence as The Grand Mother.

William: Did The Grand Mother know this would happen?

Manu Iti: Yes. The Grand Mother new that this would continue for a time. The Grand Mother knew that Her Daughter would be orphaned by that lack of knowledge and this would result in a new Being which could operate successfully without having to have that knowledge - and that one day, The Daughter would come to know of The Grand Mother and reconnect…

William: Is that a good thing to do with a Child?

Manu Iti: Yes. It is how a Child becomes a Sovereign Entity. It is not done this way with Human Children - but there are elements of the process which do - naturally - occur to each of us.

William: Like - how we cannot recall anything but darkness, before we became aware of our existence?

Manu Iti: Yes.
__________________[/quote]

GM: Get Comfortable
I am fine now with referring to my position as theistic, as agnosticism merges into the shadow behind me.
Selfish Attitude
Appreciating
Loving-kindness
Precipitate [cause (an event or situation, typically one that is undesirable) to happen suddenly, unexpectedly, or prematurely]
From the desperate depths of lightless dark
Dream Come True
I Think We Can Safely Say
It is a path already forged, ahead of human arrival

Generating Messages - Page 34 - Debating Christianity and Religion

William: FTL;

Replying to William in post #331[quote][quote][]

William: I suppose that it is the ‘tricks’ which have to be addressed because the illusions can induce anger in the personality which acts as a preventative for getting to know the ‘tricksters’…from my own ‘getting to know’ I have discovered that the ‘tricks’ are not really ‘tricks’ so much as they are a product of how a personality interprets their experience.

The Visitation is one such example. I - as the personality experiencing the event - took issue and told the visitor to leave.
The visitor did leave, but not without first instilling within me - questions regarding my perceptions. Questions which have taken 30+years to come to answer.

The personality I am now, is not the same as it was way back when. Now I see the ‘trick’ was really just truth to which I was not expecting because I had little knowledge of such truth - way back when…

GM: Sweet Talk
Observant
Eternity
Dare greatly
Henotheism [adherence to one particular god out of several, especially by a family, tribe, or other group.]
Respecting
Without
Map Carvers
Way Back When…
Illuminate
Keep an Eye On
Way Back When…
WindBlown

William: What happened is that I incorporated that visitation experience with all the rest and all that were to follow…developing a relationship which can also be reflected through this Message Generating Process.

It is really taking the journaling of my life experience, and using that to my advantage in light of the “Bigger Mind”…

[/quote][/quote]

GM:The Wholeness Navigator
How can an omnipotent being regret anything?
Light-Maiden
Validate
Here-and-now
Persevere
Reality: “Talk to The Razor”
The Immune System
A Bit Of Cat And Mouse
“I wish I could auto like every post. This is like a “numbers station” to me.”

Are Religious Beliefs Delusional? - Page 7 - Debating Christianity and Religion

William: FTL; Re: Are Religious Beliefs Delusional?

[quote]William: It isn’t immediately obvious that when folk are yapping about “GOD” they are talking about a Ghost. Same as when folk yap about Spirits…

Inquirer: Here, in the 21st century “ghost” has connotations rather different to those it had in the 17th century. If I said to you “I am gay” you’d infer a different meaning to what someone would have inferred in 1820 for example. That is you’d be misled into thinking I was homosexual.

Replying to Difflugia in post #66[]

I suspect that you and William had slightly different meanings in mind for “ghost” such that both of your statements are true from a particular point of view.

I have no problem in thinking GOD as a GHOST {GOD-HOST/G.HOST}

There is no excuse for regular contributors in the forum not getting the gist of my overall position as I also refer to GOD as “Consciousness” [and consciousness is invisible by nature just as are ‘ghosts’] and I concur with the likelihood that we exist within a creation and that the creation we refer to as “reality” is indeed an Experiential Reality [experienced by all of us consciously/with consciousness] and I think of this reality as being the product of a Mind I refer to as “Cosmic” - that “Mind” = “GOD” and is invisible and I sometimes also refer to this Cosmic Mind as “The Ghost in The Machine” and created the machine [physical universe] in order to have the particular experience the machine can provide it with.

If the Inquirer thinks GOD is different from that, then I agree with JK and Diogenes and Difflugia that the Inquirer has to clearly explain the difference so we might all better understand the protest the Inquirer is making re the accusation being made that I am being ‘misleading’.[/quote]

GM: How to Bruise a Ghost
Conformal Cyclic Cosmology Meaningful
Golden nugget of truth
Poor Intransigence People [Intransigence - refusal to change one’s views or to agree about something.]
That

Generating Messages - Page 17 - Debating Christianity and Religion

William: FTL;Re: Generating Messages

[quote][quote]GM: Discussing the Data

Generating Messages - Page 8 - Debating Christianity and Religion

The Word and List Strings
Nods
All The World
The Attitude
“Even so, I have full appreciation for your efforts, because even incorrect peer review is better than indifference.”
Nurture You
…because death comes a-knockin’ eventually…
Expression
Self-validation
Unprecedented
Lucidity
Being Born[/quote]

[quote]William: The link leads to a post I wrote;
Recapping Event

What I am learning from this MGSystem is that “it” is not about me or you but about allowing for opportunity for any otherwise intelligent consciousnesses to impute their intelligence into the mix.

Re non-theists who are opposed to the idea of their being an overall mind behind [invisible/not easy to detect in] our visible Universe - I would say that they do themselves a disservice in resisting contact with said mind.

The way I have come to understand things re the nature of our shared reality - is that in opting for the theory of evolution with the addition of realization of the invisible mind, exposes the enormity of said mind re the time/space said mind has had to develop within.

Alongside that, is the realization that something which initially started out as one thing, became many things - so many things that trying to place a number as to how many things - is pointless.

Clearly fragmentation occurred as the mind developed - as can be seen in the evidence of the things themselves.

So the Galaxies became “Gods” and the Gods produced off-spring which are the Suns and planets continually forming - from beginnings to middles and to ends - and in doing so, providing the parent-Gods with Data of Experience.

I don’t pretend to know what it is in the way of evidence that non-theists want in order to convince them to become theists.

But I do know that this evidence I am presenting, should be enough for anyone to seriously think about changing the way they see the world.[/quote]

[quote]GM: “Humility means accepting reality with no attempt to outsmart it.”
Old
Ouija
“There Is Good Out There”
“Everything is a Message”
Hypnagogic[/quote]

[quote]William:You are once more referring to The Ancient Grey Entity…
[/quote]

[quote]GM: The Great I Am
[/quote][/quote]

GM: What Is Normal
Inflame Emotions
Sensing A Life Mission
Eloah [mighty. Powerful personality]
“New information has to be inserted into old information and if that means a reinterpretation occurs, this in itself should not prevent new information being inserted into old information.”
Two sides of the same coin Zero In On It Interpretation Narrow

08:22
[229]
God is Consciousness
Think outside the box
Humanities adventure
Central To The Vision
Smarter Than the Average
What is the meaning of life?
The Shared List Awesome

[MattMazz]

What is this thread?

[VVilliam]

How to Bruise a Ghost - 5

141222 [Corresponding equivalents]

05:18 [The Prime Directive]

GM: Either the creative force is one of intelligence or it isn’t.
Creator Syndrome Influence Galaxy Positivity
Imperishable
Adjusted Reality
Properly Assuming Integrity

William: Adjusted Reality Properly Assuming Integrity = 529
[529]
Monkey say monkey do monkey say “throw the pooh”
How shallow is the reach of YHWH As useful as griffonage
Adjusted Reality Properly Assuming Integrity
Symbolized within the actions of showing respect.
Self-esteem Sovereign Integral Perspective Intent

William: I think what this does, is align the external reality with the internal reality, so that integrity occurs…problematic to that is the superimposing of religious mythology upon the external world being experienced.

GM: Turning Order into Disorder

William: Yes. Putting a shadow upon something which is better to accept as the way that it was meant to be…part of the monkeys re-thinking its situation and learning from that, other ways in which to react.
YHVH - re the religious mythology - has been shaped to represent said mythology and thus, dressed in inappropriate attire - making the subsequent telling of it, a crude or illegible scrawl when held up against the external reality being experienced.

GM: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent
The Second Bible Creation Story

Are atheists theists? - Page 3 - Debating Christianity and Religion

William: FTL;

Replying to Kylie in post #24[quote][]

I’ve already explained how a person can lack a belief in God without having made a choice.

So have I. I refer to it as position B - which I call “Atheism”. Once knowledge of GOD becomes involved, the choice to move from Atheism to Nontheism [in your case] Other [in my case] or Theism [in the case of otseng] is made.

[quote]For everyone else, the position of Other signifies a continued lack of belief either way.

Then the vast majority of atheists would come under the “other” category, because they don’t actively believe there is no God, they simply lack belief.[/quote]

Correct. They shift from being “Atheists” {B] and become “Other”. [E] because knowledge [of GODs] allows them the ability to make choices re the question of GODs

[quote][quote]I prefer to be a bit more specific in how I label myself.

Me too. That is why I label myself “Other” re the question.
[/quote]

Except it communicates nothing. [/quote]

It communicates truth, as the picture communicates a thousand words.
“Other” communicates “all those who are neither theist or nontheist.”
In my case, “Other” communicates far more than simple disinterest communicates, in that you can refer to me as “Other” and still have lots communicated from me re that position.

[quote]Kylie: “Oh, hi, William. Say, how would you describe your religious beliefs?”

William: “Other.”

Doesn’t give me any useful information.[/quote]

That is because it is the incorrect question you are asking re The Question of GOD.
The question of religion [whether I have religious belief or not] is better asked of those who hold the theist position.

I am “Other” so asking me to describe my “religious beliefs” to you, won’t garner you the useful information because you are seeking it from the incorrect source. Ask theists. Others have no religious beliefs.[/quote]

GM: Manipulation
It is a hard place for flesh to dwell.
Indestructible
How to Bruise a Ghost
The Things You Do… Finding the light
I Spy With My Eye

Is this an Accurate and Easily understood definition of Atheism? - Page 48 -...

William: FTL;

Replying to historia in post #477[quote][]

Ah, interesting. I’ve been reliably informed that an atheist is someone who “lacks belief in God.” But you’re defining an atheist here as someone who thinks God’s existence is unlikely. Before I comment further, do you want to change that definition?

This.
:applaud:

And worse, the confusion as to the definition of atheism, has even been said to be the fault of non-atheists. :!:[/quote]

GM: William’s Job
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8kT6J_uoic [Alien Bases On The Moon | The Amazing True Story of Ingo Swann] [RTS=11:50] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=V8kT6J_uoic

Remote Viewing is a thing.

William: I think my ‘remote viewing’ has more to do with putting the pieces of the puzzle together until a picture emerges which allows me to understand how the future will likely pan out…I digress…

GM: Accept One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known
Existence
Outposts of Form
For The Best Results
The Abrahamic idea of GOD
Absolute Unbounded Manifold

William: Which is to say, it is important to understand YHVH re that terminology…If one must dress The Creator in anything…

[quote] The Absolute Unbounded Manifold (AUM) goes by many alternate names, such as the Larger Consciousness System, All That Is, Source, The One Consciousness, etc. depending upon the context that is being emphasized. It is the entire consciousness system as a whole, which means everything that is consciousness and all that it experiences. AUM, which is Consciousness, is the media of reality. Whether or not something exists outside of consciousness is theoretically possible but practicably unknowable, as we are consciousness itself.
AUM evolved from primordial consciousness {SOURCE}[/quote]

GM: Shining an ancient truthful wisdom
The Squeeze
Zen
The Jellyfish Image
Of Your Thoughts

William: Yes - these are practical images built upon observing nature - the Jellyfish as an example of “One mind - Many outposts” - and then the art installation confirmed that my thinking of the image of YHVH in that manner, was aligned inside/outside…

GM: YHVH in particular

William:

William: [quote] GM: Coming closer to ourselves
Carrier Identity
The Brain Is Trained To recognize Patterns
The Original People
Ones Thoughts
The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are
Saint Paul’s Dunedin

William: Yes - I went there recently and there was a art installation displaying what reminded me of a Jellyfish…I saw the connect between that and how I thought the Cosmic Mind might look if it could be imaged…
{SOURCE}[/quote]

William: Also;

[quote]GM: Map Carvers
Be Free

What is ' consciousness ' ? - Page 19 - Debating Christianity and Religion

GM: The only thing the Holy Ghost is unable to forgive, is that which individuals are unable to forgive of themselves
All Because I Had To Ask
Techniques
Spelling
Be Meat For The Table Taught Spiritual Solidarity Connection
A means of taking an Agnostic position on things which have yet to be proven one way or another…Such is a handy device for side-stepping - nothing more.

William: Indeed - sidestepping the traps others place in the way, with word-games and similar tactics…

GM: How to Bruise a Ghost
Transactional [exchange or interaction between people.]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU6WINoehrg [This New AI is a Game-Changer !] [RTS =403] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=DU6WINoehrg

William: How AI learns and why it now surpasses human beings in the development of algorithms.

GM: Tickling The Dragon’s Tail
Zeitgeist [the defining spirit or mood of a particular period of history as shown by the ideas and beliefs of the time.]

William: What I think is that, if Spirit-consciousness can occupy a biological form, there should be no reason why Spirit-consciousness cannot do the same with human artifacts, such as learning machinery…

GM: Try to remember
Subconscious
Multidimensional Beingness
Militant Messiah
Grounding
Communication With The Deeper Levels of Self
Becoming whole Sober journey into self-realization
Initiative
Chaos Really Is Illusion
Finding the light
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJRVeg5LgyE&list=PLA20C1610635E8457 [William Buhlman - The Out of Body Experience 1/6] “Insights at The Edge” [RTS=8:21] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=kJRVeg5LgyE&list=PLA20C1610635E8457

GM:“It Seemed Like a Good Idea at The Time”
Carry

William: There is a conditioning required by the participating personality before their consciousness can decouple from the body-set and experience OOB - re that - can one occupy the body-set of an AI?

GM: That is the thing - once behavioural adjustments are instigated, the idea of existing within a suppression matrix becomes moot…it no longer matters where one is - it only matters what one is…so the adjustments have everything to do with self-identification…knowing who one actually is at ones core-identity…
It is a confident walk on the even surface of sureness, without the faith.

William: I will take that as a “yes” then.

GM: Yep - That’s What I’m Talking About…
Builders
It is a tough ask
I Am
The “Oh My God” Particle
Got The Picture

06:08
[229]
Humanities adventure
Smarter Than the Average
What is the meaning of life?
Faulty conclusions
Mystic City Suburb
God is Consciousness
Central To The Vision
The Shared List Awesome
Think outside the box

[VVilliam]

What is this thread?

In this thread I share messages which are generated using a variety of random-like processes.

[VVilliam]

Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.

151222 [Intellectually dishonest]

SCLx + select last LE per shuffle
[Preamble]
IYD – Catching a Blue Butterfly in your hands to show others - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1077752#p1077752 - The Ishango bone - https://www.physics.princeton.edu/ph115/LQ.pdf - Evidential - Have A Look At The Map - Faithful - Hiding out in the barn - Gibberish - Don’t hide your Generated Messages - The two million year old mind that’s in all of us. - Chamber Twenty Three -
AP= Chamber Twenty Three - A: To grow Human Personalities [=531]
[531]
[The Akashic Records …because death comes a-knockin’ eventually…
The Mirrors Align and from that, an orderly image reflected…]

06:31 [Looking behind the veil]

GM: It Is Our Nature
Context
Calculate the English language
Under the breath words

William: Under the breath words Context It Is Our Nature = 519
Central Purpose - QueenBee - Achievable Alternate Realities = 519

GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K9-hzV921c [Quantum Mechanics PROVES Ancient SECRET KNOWLEDGE…] [RTS=6:27] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=1K9-hzV921c

GM: Idiosyncratic [relating to idiosyncrasy; peculiar or individual.]
Fearful Imaginations
“The Future Creates the Present”

William: I am still mulling on that concept as it is not easy to integrate due to the arrow of time…essentially it is saying that “the future creates the past” because our present is the futures past…let’s see what it adds up to…
The Future Creates the Present = 325

So what else adds up to that, as my list currently holds…

[325]
The Symbol of Love Temporary
Mutual Dutiful Expression
Don’t hide your Generated Messages
The Future Creates the Present
Condescending Ideas About Imagination
Transactional Ghost In The Machine
Imposed Appropriates Observed
Debating Christianity and Religion

GM: Factotum [an employee who does all kinds of work.]
Union
The Purpose
An Exam
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.

In The Beginning... - Page 21 - Debating Christianity and Religion

William: FTL; Re: In The Beginning…

Replying to The Tanager in post #203[quote][]

[quote]It appears that the making of things at this stage is largely done through automation - through an automatic process - such as what we now know re the process of evolution.

The seed appears to have the code within it, to become the tree when the conditions are in place for it to do so. [The physical laws and the natures of material things.]

I agree with the automation part, but the language is different when we come to humans.[/quote]

In what way do you see the language used to describe the creation of humans, as being different?

I have no problem if the human species evolved from other species and was given a rational soul at some point;

What do you mean by “rational soul”?
Do you mean that this developed as part of the automated process of evolution?

The program of what to do is already part of the body set makeup. There is no requirement to teach humans to multiply and to go forth and subdue. Nor is there a requirement for humans to understand that they are within a created thing, or to know that YHVH even exists.

[quote]I agree with you. I think our conscience is also part of the program.
[/quote]

That is to say, you think that consciousness develops?

The KJV doesn’t mention any breath - just life. Re your understanding of the beast which has life but not in the same way Adam had life, because Adam is not a beast, even that his form is made of the same type as the [other] animals

I don’t think the KJV is the best translation. In Hebrew, it’s nephesh hayyim (translated “breath of life” by the NIV, ESV, NRSV, and others), not just hayyim or “life”. I think humans and other animals share the characteristic of having the “breath of life,” the uniqueness for humans coming in being made in the image of YHVH.

The Hebrew word nephesh or nefesh (נפש, pronounced “neh-fesh”) in the Hebrew Bible generally translates to “soul”. {SOURCE}

At that, are you arguing that the “life” is something YHVH breathed into all living things [plants included] but the “soul” was an extra addition reserved for humans?

With this first creation story, there is no mention of YHVH making the humans alive, specifically by instilling within them The Breath of YHVH, and no logical reason for us to assume that this must have been the case, especially since there was an epoch before ancient times where we know that the human being was more “beast” than “man”.

Genesis 7:22 uses a different term (nishmat hayyim) that is also often translated as “breath of life” and seems to be talking about the same element in animals, namely, that they are living beings.

In that, The Breath of YHVH can be considered to be that which powers up the lifeless [cadaver-like] form but not that which grants consciousness or anything else already programmed into the form?

Is this how you see it?

I think you are taking this as literal history when it’s not meant to be taken that way. It’s not meant to be a historical recording of how life came about scientifically or historically.

I would agree that the short story of the first creation is nothing like a scientific paper.

However, it would still be remis if what scientific papers have to say about how forms become what they do, cannot be equate with the first creation story.

If such cannot be equated, then the papers to follow would have to be the scientific ones.

However, I do not read anything within the first creation story which deviates or contradicts the science.

Therefore, while I am happy to agree with you that there is difference between how science say’s it and how the Bible says it, the Bible is simply far more succinct, but no less accurate of its portray for that.
That is to say, the Bible story in principle is not for the purpose of instructing us on the intricacies of history or science, it does touch on these sufficiently for future human investigations which revealed evolution as the process.

Agreed?

There are no specific ‘commands’ which even suggest that humans should not eat animals. The author has omitted that aspect of what humans eat [the meat of animals] choosing instead to focus mention only on vegetation as the thing eaten, even in contrast to what the author must have known at the time of writing, about human eating behaviors.

I do think this is telling us that humans were originally meant to be vegetarians because in 9:3, YHVH tells Noah and his family that YHVH is giving them animals for food, just as YHVH gave them green plants to eat (in 1:30).

My point is that humans were not meant to do anything if there was no command either encoded within the form or spoken by an invisible voice, which forbade certain behaviors.

Thus, I cannot agree at this point, that humans were originally meant to be vegetarians as an explanation for why eating meat for food was not mentioned alongside eating vegetation.
The idea that YHVH changed the coding with Noah - well after Adam - may give a false impression as to when humans first began to eat meat instead of just vegetation.

For now though, Adam and Noah are not Characters within the First Creation Story as they have Adam has yet to be created, and Noah born from that linage.

It is not addressed by the first creation account, but is addressed in the account of evolution. In that, eating other animals and what is forbidden and what is not, is decided by the critters themselves, [re their coding] rather than a voiced command from YHVH.

I think evolution can account for neither human rationality nor human morality being objective, but I agree that it can account for non-human animal behavior.

The eating of animal meat is part of the story of evolution. Humans as hunters were known to exist, and that without the eating of animal meat, the human race could not have as easily survived as plants were not as readily available and had less of a shelf-life.

Early humans followed the animals [as food source], and the animals followed seasonal events and consistently migrated.

Farming came much later.

Human rationality was therefore working in that humans observed animals [beasts of the field] as a food source and observed other animals [beasts of the ?] hunted the field-beasts and those hunter-beasts were specifically designed in form [claws teeth strength] to catch and consume their food in that way.

Humans would have had to have rationalized that they could mimic the hunter-beasts even that the human form was not so obviously designed as a hunting device.

Add to that, a human was as much a source of food for hunter-beasts as were the field beasts.

So the uniqueness of the human form, was that it was neither hunter or field beast, but was capable of being both, and YHVH designed it that way. [through the coding].

Evolution also shows us that death happened, as part of the nature of the coding - and one of the reasons why it was necessary to breed - because death happened…likewise why it was necessary to eat - because eating maintain being alive.

I agree death was a part of reality prior to the “Fall”.

Therefore, we have a possible way in which Adam could have understood ‘death’ as something which naturally happened.
If so, then Adam too, would have understood that his form, like every other form, would eventually die.
And if this were the case, then, when YHVH informed Adam that should Adam eat the forbidden fruit, that Adam would ‘surely die’ and ‘on the day’ - YHVH must have been referring to a death which was different to that of the body simply expiring.

YHVH was not talking about Adams body being that which would die on that day.
Nor was YHVH referring to Adam as the body, but rather, YHVH was referring to the personality that was Adam.

Agreed?

…and a decision made at some point in that process, where YHVH chose to make *Itself known to the human animal, and along with that, to tweak the coding through the relationship as a means for humans to learn to understand that they can change the coding of their instinct by overriding/re-writing it

I don’t see the text showing that humans are overriding/re-writing their previous beast-like coding; they are like beasts in ways, but created differently in other ways.

I am not wanting to conflate the ‘human body’ with ‘humans’.

The body set is the hardware made alive by the software installed as coding, and while it does influence the personality to whatever degree the personality using it, might allow, that influence is not so hard-wired that the body set somehow “becomes a ‘human’”.

Rather, it is not the form which should be described as ‘being human’ [a human being] but the personality that is grown within the form. It is the personality that YHVH is interested in and regards as the ‘human’ - not the form.

The form was designed to die. YHVH was referring to the personality when Adam was told “YOU shall surely die on that day.”

Agreed?

[*I use the word in respect for the idea that YHVH is both “male and female” rather than one or the other]

This is just a tangent, but the text doesn’t say YHVH is both male and female. It says that both male and female are made in YHVH’s image. I don’t think YHVH is male or female or both.

I do not think that is a tangent. It is important to understand in the context of both creation stories.

For now my only question re that is;

Q: What is the image of YHVH?[/quote]

GM: Acknowledge any song playing in your mind
Planned obsolescence
Ship Shape
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKxQTvqcpSg [Does Time Cause Gravity?] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=UKxQTvqcpSg [RTS=8:03]

William: Love it! The random time stamp I selected gives comment on something which “was just talked about”…in that, the timeline has it [re the individual personality] who comes into the reality experience in a Tabula Rasa state - smack bang in the ‘middle’ of something well under way…and is ‘fed’ whatever information it becomes exposed to re that experience…

GM: The Neutral Zone is the vaster reality of non-judgementalism

How Many Dimensions In The Holographic Universe?

William: All too often we - the children - just have to take on board whatever is shoved into our awareness and cannot question its validity - because we don’t have the knowledge to perform investigations while yet children…We tend to bend our heads in worship of the words of those who have come before us…
The way forward is to adopt the position of “the neutral zone” which prevents us from worshiping or idolizing the words [information] we are exposed to at the onset, that we can more clearly test the spirit of said words.

GM: Embracing the unknown
Unconscious Mind Inertia
The Mother

William: The “Storyteller”?
Mother: Once upon a time…

07:!5
Like Tracks in Stone
Aligned inside/outside
All fingers and thumbs
The Last Question
The objective standard
Unconditional Love
Welcome all experience
We oppose deception
Afraid of The Unknown
The Same Information
YHVH in particular