Kylie: Putting food into the mouth is not the process which sustains life.
If you put food into your mouth and then nothing else, you will die just as quickly as someone who doesn’t have any food at all.
onewithhim: Yes, that is why the food cannot be the source of life…it just keeps life going after the spirit or breath of life has been infused into that person. That is the argument YOU made…that food is the source of the person being alive. So, no, the food KEEPS the person alive. You seem confused. Do you see my point?
William: The OP asks us if animals are just lumps of matter or is there something more to them? Is it only people that are not lumps of matter?
“Energy” has been injected into the discussion. How does Energy make things ‘more than just lumps of matter’?
Transponder: The conundrum is, how can matter be eternal? I get that problem. But if it isn’t eternal, how does matter come to be? The half answer has to be that Nothingness does not need to be created; it can be Eternal, but a nothingness that has the capacity to imitate being something (which is what matter is) may be the start of an answer with less to get over than a complex cosmic mind without an origin to explain.
Goat: There is a law in this universe that says ‘energy can neither be created or destroyed’, and 'matter and energy are interchangeable. ’ Matter is just a form of energy. … and there never was a time there was no energy.
William: “a nothingness that has the capacity to imitate being something” infers that something exists in which the ‘nothingness’ can “imitate” and also infers that the ‘nothingness’ is mindful - has the faculty to discern…
If matter and energy are forms of each other, their functions are different enough to produce consciousness.
Or, it might be that matter/energy [mattergy?] is also conscious and consciousness did not emerge from it, but is a fundamental property of it.
010722
Essentially, we are Gaia in human form…
Hacking through the subconscious
“Off you go to your quarters”
Precise definitions of strategies
SCLx10 + select last LE per shuffle
Identify Common Denominators - An individuals consciousness is more than what they are consciously aware of. - The God - Islands - Interesting Data - I Will - Please - I Think We Can Safely Say - Welcome all experience - Appreciating
AP= To Be Sure That is the truth.
[Intelligent Consciousness
Working With What Is Available
A degenerative force to existence
Corresponding equivalents
Speak your thoughts aloud
To Be Sure That is the truth.]
RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re
7:41
GM: Recovery
Brilliant
zn+1 = zn2 + c [Mandelbrot set]
“Conformal Cyclic Cosmology”
William: Another way of saying ‘forever’ or ‘infinity’.
CCC is an hypothesis which requires that all massive particles eventually vanish from existence, including those which become too widely separated from all other particles to annihilate with them.
How can something simply ‘vanish from existence’ without evoking magic? It is the other end of the hypothesis that ‘something came from nothing’.
GM: In The Team Of The Collective
The Bridge of Condemnation
We oppose deception
r = aeθ cot b [ The formula for a logarithmic spiral]
William: If “In The Team Of The Collective” represent Jung’s Archetypes of Consciousness [situated primarily in the subconscious regions] plus “The Bridge of Condemnation” representing the direction towards The Realm of Judgementalism, then “We” represents “The Team Of The Collective” who “oppose deception”… is a spiral a form of deception? Or is the formula an indication that there is more than meets the eye and we have to include that unseen stuff, in order to learn how to resist being deceived?
GM: The Mother and The Father
Within
What Do You Like About It?
William: It is familiar to me because of the nature of the environment in which I am currently experiencing [as the dominant reality].
A Father and Mother are the equivalent of heterosexual thinking processes but can be seen as ‘one’ rather that as ‘two’ - and nature even provides us with a physical example of this, re the Hermaphrodite.
Ideally a Parental Guide is someone who teaches one the truth, rather than made up stories having little to no thing to do with the truth.
The truth - in context - is to do with the dominant reality being experienced.
“In The Team Of The Collective” representing Jung’s Archetypes of Consciousness situated primarily in the subconscious regions would be expected to convey truth to me, rather than deception, in order for me to ‘like’ it enough for me to give it my ear.
Opposing deception is ultimately more eye-opening than not. However, I do appreciate that mythology - while a device of story-telling and thus employing fictional data, and thus a form of deception - if used correctly [with the intent to bring the personality into truth] has its uses…
GM: Appreciating
To Be Sure
“Virtues
Contemplative”
“Observed
Redefinition of the Human Being”
William: When the virtue of wanting truth rather than settling for deception, is active - this reveals other virtues and these help one in their contemplations of data…which in turn allows for one to re-identify, by abandoning concepts we might have been taught about the nature of who we are, which are deceptive.
GM: Nonetheless.
“Love Your Life
We help each other”
The Smokescreen called “scientifically unrespectable”
William: “The Rule of Fire” I found the commentary interesting when I watched this vid, and that is why I placed the link into the ComList.
We have to make up the rules of the dominant reality experience based upon our interpretation of the nature of nature. For the most part, this has already been done by our predecessor ‘parental guides’ represented by the four human power-houses Culture, Religion, Politics and Science.
The question remains as to whether they were/are teaching actual truth or deceptive fiction in their telling of it to us.
[The truth is, these parental social institutions cannot even say for sure that this reality experience we are collectively having, is itself, not a simulation.]
Important to that, it is still something of a Game, regardless of whether it is or isn’t a simulation and that is why rules on how to play the Game have to be discovered within the actual Game itself.
Are these rules being discovered or merely made up to suit the agenda of the power-houses?
If we are actually within a simulation, how do we know that the rules we are following are the rules of the simulation?
If we are actually NOT in a simulation, can rules BE discovered, or are we free to make them up any way we so choose, through the device of the power-houses which enable us to do this?
Since it can be said that concepts of the mind [in relation to the external reality the mind is within] can and do coincide with one another. Therefore, it is acceptable to think that the concepts were discovered rather than invented. The invention has to do with developing devices which assist us with the discovery process.
That said, if these conceptual things which are discovered within the fabric of the reality experience itself, things like Mathematics, Morality, Measured Motion [time] and Many More - this lends itself to being evidence of the Mindfulness involved re the things we cannot actually physically see, but are there to be discovered nonetheless. = 1159
[The differentiation was still apparent in the Hebrew mind - but not to the point where Satan and God became separate entities.= 1159]
GM: “Some information has to be drummed into that which perceives
Imperishable”
Well Its A Start…
…Until…
Perspective
“The stories we tell and what we do with them”
“A knight in shining armour [an idealized or chivalrous man who comes to the rescue of a woman in a difficult situation.]
Positive Social Connections”
William: Well certainly “It’s a start” Up until the knight insists of killing the dragon. Another option would be to try and tame it.
Does the woman’s “difficult situation” affect the knight?
Does the woman’s “difficult situation” demand the dragon be slayed, rather than tamed?
GM: “The Mind is The Invisible Garage Dragon [re Carl Sagan]
Joy!”
Earth
William: Earth being the ‘dragon’ of the story…at least the one in the garage. 
GM: Remnant [a part or quantity that is left after the greater part has been used, removed, or destroyed.] Seed
“The Fine Art of Not Being Offended”
William: So…part of the process of taming the beast, requires some shedding…
GM: Creatio Ex Nihilo [(Latin for “creation out of nothing”) is the doctrine that matter is not eternal but had to be created by some divine creative act.]
Genius
You Are Nobodies Victim Ever.
William: Yes - being offended by something which may well be deception, makes one a victim of the “offensive”. The smart thing to do is to be logical in regard to the data of nature. [DoN]
Atheists support the doctrine of “Something from nothing” as do a lot of Theist Christians. Yet their opposition to one another contradicts itself as one side is saying that Creatio Ex Nihilo proves that a creator mind is unnecessary while they other side claims that Creatio Ex Nihilo proves a creator mind is necessary.
The truth is, Creatio Ex Nihilo as a concept [which is what it is] doesn’t inform us either way but shares the same unnecessary magical quality.
As such, the concept is more likely a deception than a truth.
GM: “Make It Up AS You Go Along
Adjustment”
“Endemic [regularly found among particular people or in a certain area.]
Self-compassion
“Yes We Can””
William: Just because we can and mostly have to make things up as we go along, does not give us permission to be deceptive about it…there are rules to the Game, and that has to be one of the rules.
GM: Regarding:
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1070902#p1070902
William: From the link;
GM: “Purring”
William: Yes - an expression of the feeling of contentment
GM: “The Mind is The Invisible Garage Dragon”
“Aleph
Small
Something Mystical To Be In Awe Of”
Military:
“Put the Teachings Into Practice”
“There are many levels of consciousness
That is the truth.”
Anunnaki
“Higher Self Dream Guide”
“Getting unstuck
Add
Hacking through the subconscious”
“The Attitude
Illuminate
Masonry and Metallurgy”
“To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness”
[Even that it took an actual mind operating with language, to make such a statement.]
The Original People:
“All Information Is Channelled”
8:50
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