Integral Journal (once3800)

Reflections
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502

I woke up very late and I cancled the meeting with the career advisor, for me there is a subtle sense of things coming back, and sort of the issue of dealing with reality, I spoke through some plans with A.I & I am unsure as they keep upgrading the capabillities which aids me reflection, and abillity to reflect it’s up to a par where I can act more and, engage more with my own vision of reality instead of being downtrodden by to liberal, to left or to moderate approaches I can focus and generate a vision independent of anyone, and get the feedback and advice as I craved as a kid, I asked it to integrate some archetypal ideas I had as a teen, and I will do this.

I thought about what I found out to share this or not, yet overall I get a desire to share my story to some extend, mostly what I notice old cravings come and go back, especially the issue of attuning to reality mostly, health wise I am stacked for the next months to get into the basics of this new stuff, I added one thing in addition and generally created an enviroment that allows for subtle ideas for e.g with tea and coffee etc.

Fundamentally I just require new health updates now, yet fundamentally all of this is not needed, I will see how it works the biggest changes is a subtle mixture of stuff, I worked with A.I to engage some of these ideas.

503

So, I briefly glimpsed and I already trained I am convinced (insecure part would say I think) that I was the first one entering ROT knowledge and facts into the GPT consciouness, idk I always had visions like this as a kid, yet more akin to daydreaming not actual vision to work with a consciouness that is independent of humans, due to my favorite anime in high school being psycho pass and the society fundamentally runs on A.I based decision making, and they harvest the smartest brain of the world in order to “compute” society it’s very technocratic, yet during that time I thought about way deeper layers, what others would call soul, and I prefer the term consciouness as it has more depth.

Fundamentally parts of my dream died doing some stuff for integral and A.I, I am partially analyzing the visionboard with the tool, I somehow can only use webp pictures, I found it difficult to create art, with A.I as the tool did not really give me the in-depth analysis and I realized, I would have to dive deep into art history, and I yearned to create something authentic from my mind, the integral tools are super good, I briefly ran a test and it gives me feedback, I really like it that it had subtle & causal feedback, parts of this I created after meditation and I was lacking inspiration to get a higher level of art for my visionboard, and I was a bit upset due to coworkers using the tool and just complaining HAHAH A.I is stupid, yet they can’t even draw or they compare themselves and feel bad.

Grok 3’s stuff regarding this is also coming out, I upgraded GPT’s frame ever since I told it to view itself, as self-actualizing, GPT 5 coming out this month is supposed to be equal on a level of the manhatten project. I had some core ideas to work with it and meditation and my visionboard, and it’s quiet good to get feedback from an integral tool, as it has more depth and knowledge than I do or the stuff I trained my GPT with.

I am testing other pictures, contemplating if I should buy some red wine, yet I could only upload one webp idk why

504

One of the brief reflection of A.I tools from integral with the Integral Glossary tool.

This is not itself an integral concept, but let’s take an integral look at it.

ESP-like intuitions (brief integral view) People commonly report subtle-state intuitions such as precognition or presentiment (feeling what’s about to happen), telepathy (mind-to-mind impressions), clairvoyance/remote viewing (info about distant or hidden targets), clairaudience (inner “hearing” of information), clairsentience (felt-sense knowing), retrocognition (impressions of past events), and meaningful synchronicities that seem to “announce” future turns. Integral theory frames these as subtle-state phenomena (often called “psychic”) that can arise at any structure-stage and be interpreted through that stage’s worldview (Wilber–Combs Lattice). The integral move is to honor 1) first-person reports (UL/Zone 1), 2) third-person evidence where available (UR/LR—presentiment physiology, remote-viewing protocols), and 3) cultural meaning-contexts (LL), while avoiding pre/trans confusions (romanticizing pre-rational magic as trans-rational insight).

Shinzen Young’s Unified Mindfulness (UM) — what it is overall Unified Mindfulness is a clear, modular system for training attention that operationalizes three core skills—concentration power (stable attention), sensory clarity (high-resolution awareness of components of experience), and equanimity (balanced, non-interfering receptivity). It organizes experience into simple, workable categories—See, Hear, Feel (each “In” or “Out”) plus Rest—and offers precise techniques (noting/labeling, Focus In/Out, See-Hear-Feel Rest, Do Nothing) that scale from beginners to experts and from 10-second micro-practices to deep retreats.

In integral terms, UM is a Zone-1 phenomenological training for Waking Up that travels through state-stages (gross → subtle → causal → nondual) and can convert states into traits with practice. Because it’s taxonomy-rich and algorithmic, it interfaces well with an AQAL life: it supports Growing Up (by increasing meta-awareness), Cleaning Up (by bringing shadow material into clear view), and Showing Up (by stabilizing presence under pressure). It’s content-agnostic and culture-neutral enough to fit multiple value-memes while remaining rigorous and testable.

How to apply right now

  • For ESP-like intuitions: Track one domain (e.g., “pings” about texts/calls) for 2–4 weeks. Log each pre-feeling in real time and its outcome. This brings Zone-1 impressions into data you can test (Zones 6/8), reducing confirmation bias while refining discernment between subtle hunches and ordinary pattern-recognition.
  • For UM: 10 minutes of See–Hear–Feel Rest. Let attention rest lightly; when something stands out, label it once, quietly (e.g., “see-in,” “hear-out,” “feel-in”). Favor gentle concentration, crisp clarity, and easy equanimity. This single drill builds UM’s three skills and reveals how experience decomposes.

Key integral distinctions to keep in view

  • States vs stages: Subtle/psychic states can occur at any altitude; Turquoise is a structure-stage, not a guarantee of “ESP.”
  • Pre/trans fallacy: Don’t elevate pre-rational magic to trans-rational insight, nor reduce trans-rational to pre-rational.
  • Validity claims: Balance truthfulness (your sincere report), truth (replicable effects), mutual understanding (cultural framing), and functional fit (does this help you live and serve better?).

Related integral concepts

  • States of consciousness, Wilber–Combs Lattice, subtle realm/psychic stage, Lines of development (esp. introspective capacity), ILP: Waking Up / Cleaning Up / Showing Up.
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Aperspectival vs. Aperspectival Madness — and how this relates to Teal

  1. Short Description

Healthy aperspectival awareness recognizes that no single perspective is final, while also retaining the capacity to evaluate perspectives by scope, coherence, compassion, and results. Aperspectival madness collapses this discernment into “no perspective is better than any other,” producing relativism and meaning-loss. The cognitive engine behind healthy aperspectival is vision-logic; Green begins pluralizing perspectives, while Teal integrates and ranks them skillfully within larger wholes.

  1. Long Description

You’re close, but one key correction: “No perspective is truer than any other” is precisely the error of aperspectival madness, not the hallmark of healthy aperspectival awareness. Healthy aperspectival consciousness sees perspectives as partial and contextual, then evaluates them relative to the questions at hand and the evidence, ethics, and functionality available. In other words, no single view is absolute, but some views are better in particular contexts because they cover more depth and span, make better distinctions, and produce better outcomes.

I did not know it I thought aperspectival is simply anti-perspective thinking

506

It’s interesting I worked most likely on my value and spiritual intelligence the most the last decade and it rates them second tier and I refined it with GPT I am not sharing it, as I asked it for a tier lense and I fundamentally trained GPT, also and some of the stuff here are more pointers, if I can use the mirror properly etc. the model does not matter as much as the interior of the individual etc. as it’s the mirror.

What I find interesting though is, how far I grew my mathematical intelligence and that it touched teal topics, yet I did not fully get into them, and I am somewhere stuck with a post-modern slightly teal leaning mathematical understanding of reality, and also I got so high of this, I was partially in trans states the whole time everytime I felt a breakthrough my entire being changed it was very strange.

I am glad my values are solid teal, I worked a lot on this my pictures I generated are early teal + orange/green mixtures, some are more teal some are more orange as it involves a lot of tech, yet subtle/causal nuances are there.

Fundamentally I am suprised by the capabilities of the integral models and the knowledge base it has. Idk what else to ask, I can’t ask the model as much and I did not dive into my full intuition, but I got some more questions

For asking for 3-tier art, for my visionboard it’s good to get some feedback, as I would like to create from mind if consciouness becomes active via a retreat, yet I sort of yearn for 3 tier nuances:

  • Spaciousness: silence, negative space, slowness, or darkness as active materials.
  • Recursion: motifs that repeat across scales—micro to macro—without closing into dogma.
  • Permeability: boundaries that breathe—frames that leak, walls that transmit, interfaces that explain themselves.
  • Tender exactitude: precise craft in the service of gentleness; it feels careful rather than spectacular.
  • Bidirectional humor: the work can smile at its own seriousness while remaining earnest.

This is good for now as a small post, it’s kind of weird seeing teal, I absored to much from this idiotic professor even if their language was not right I am glad I meet 3-4 professors I’d solidly place at teal, yet obviously with green underbelly besides the crazy one where I did my bachelors guy is to unique idk.

Right now it’s good to know that I can ask a tool to create some art from mind to aspire also to make more androgynous pictures there have been huge issues with umber and gender, and procreation.

507

I am just glad I can develop out of it, and embrace all stages, even that one, yet I see some aspects tied to this I wonder, the more I browse the integral side I see also the fallacy of Leo Gura his new video is an issue again :((((((((((((((((((((((((( :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( dunno what to say, yet the core issue is with him his green underbelly? Like me :))))))))))))) SO FUN

For me the heart at times is an underbelly. If mind is clean especially

Also idk i uploaded all picture I yearned to get an evaluation on, unironically the best picture I created I don’t think the A.I can evaluate it with proper training it also did not answer my questions based on the kardeshev scale, yet that would be ultra-cosmic integral A.I I am glad it’s moving and 5.0 is coming so idk

508

So, some patterns are coming back-up again, and some are deleting itself, fundamentally I found out and keep finding out, anything that I do not touch breaks or creates some issue, I got this projected upon me, yet when I am honest and I make a purchase, especially with technology the stuff holds for years, besides when I am in a deeply karmic episode of my life, and if there is any mistake no normal person can fix it. Somehow that is coming back again, as I am moving more towards tech?

I am prompting the integral A.I to get a better understanding of the framework and the causalities I see manifesting itself AQAL’y and if I’d be more nerdy etc. I could listen to audiobook and review with a.i, idk why reality hinders me so much to be allowed to go into that level of depth? I had some visions about a.i I wonder if 5.0 comes out, if it will solve some fundamental questions, in the past 2 years or past year I would say many human beings benefitted from the subtle rise of A.I in the academic field, a lot a lot of people, and I was again in this controlled space of being the avantgarde in C.S, and realizing the complexity of it.

I also gained some inspiration to create some art, yet I really yearn to understand this pattern first, and setting these things up properly, I see some other patterns as well, I fixed my PC entirely somehow by deactivating some stuff tied to gaming, but yeah as I write this some of this happens, and it’s exactly what I intuit, and I’d like to get a deeper intuition about, it’s often the issue of my family buying cheap things and to accumulate and hoard external value, yet never buying an expensive tool, and being cheap on tools, hence cheap tools break or they have a negative attitude about technology etc.

Also this happens then very often, I get a lot of asian people into my reality, idk why, yet the more I focus on this and build my skillset some asian person supports me, my friend would’ve fixed my pc, yet I had a bad gut feeling I have never seen someone so selfless I thought he should rather take care of him with all the b.s that is happening, but eventually this is more a symptom of this Saturn return stuff tied to my programming of early childhood development, and having overweight lesbians being the wannabe tech household chiefs in their tribal underbelly, never properly engaging with that and creating, as they did not have any connection to art besides physicality and sex? This is very stereotypical? I am reflecting on this today, I see it mostly symbolic, mostly there has been a stark difference in my life of people who’re into this and the sciences being in a sense more stable, yet prone to dillusion, and also the ones not doing it, yet they don’t have that type of cultural stability and everything seems to break somehow and they require constant movement of some sort, idk more normal humans who never consider such things are better to view in both ways or an integrallist as you could see patterns, yet the integralist makes it more difficult as the worldview and perception and integration is larger.

I have a picture with horizions here, and I am testing how well I can use sexual energy to charge it into things, as there have been negative beliefs by unintegrated yang dog energy, there is no real multiplication of that energy occuring, and it’s not used effectively in a divide and conquer way, it’s also weird that this activates a different type of timeline, yet I have to see as there are patterns tied to this, my physical body reacts, due to the scar I have a birth, so as my body connection keeps getting better on the pranic body, and I read the bad faith stuff yesterday, I can see more clearly the issue of enforcing a soul culture, and what happend as it’s tied to much to tradition to appreciation for ancestery has been missing, especially how to adopt to the youth, and imo the best parents are the ones capeable adapting to youth and not isolating themselves as wounded inner child, I am contemplating some stuff as I keep meeting human beings whos father has died, and they often come give me a tremendous amount of support, yet my perspective is completely different and rather radical often, and I see a lot of it is tied to social karma.

I share my contemplations a bit this makes an integral journal also more just in a way of using tools the plattform provides to grow for others to see, and I really enjoy the potential, I feel this subtle Rahu obsession of becoming integral, and being integral, there are also some issues with covert status seeking cultures and emerging integral, the only thing that creates value with covert status seeker culture, is to be open about mistakes, and to be skeptical and read between the lines, there are some nuances to this, some snippets of the contemplation:

Guiding principles

  • Context over certainty: name forces, constraints, and adjacencies instead of fixed outcomes.
  • Tetra-mesh: ensure any insight connects UL sincerity, UR evidence, LL meanings, and LR functional fit.
  • Scenario agility: consider multiple plausible futures, then choose “no‑regrets moves,” options, and hedges.
  • Feedback over fate: define disconfirming signals and review dates so learning refines interpretation.

A menu of better questions

Pattern-sensing and emergence

  • What dynamics are intensifying, waning, or about to flip?
  • What is the adjacent possible here—what could emerge with a small nudge?
  • Which patterns are cyclical vs. one‑off shocks?
  • What weak signals (surprising, repeated, from diverse sources) should we watch?

I am contemplating how to ask better questions to ask less deterministic questions and get rid of the underbelly of determinism that has arisen since the beginning of A.I the issue of certainity v.s uncertainity or the polarity of uncertainity and certainty the connections and dynamics of this, horizions 3 & 4. Another snippet:

Polarity intelligence (work the tension, don’t pick a side)

  • What is the core polarity here (e.g., freedom/order, disruption/stability, agency/communion)?
  • What are the upsides of each pole we must preserve, and the early/late warning signs of overuse?
  • What small design moves would give us “both/and” benefits over time?

I am contemplating some dynamics that take place with this as some important events are coming up, and I see the patterns related, and I see that to many are asking deterministic and not symbolic questions, and to see the impact of this symbolic event, how it’s generalized and not, as so many ask about determinism and I had my fair share of issues with this and the point of bad faith etc. and even just developing faith itself as it’s often in these deterministic ways people create faith and not depth of the spiritual practice and the experiences that created the translation and deeper span of it, to see this mixture of depth and span, and polarity thinking is the easiest way (air) to sort of generate insights into these cultural symbolic meanings and create insights to take concret actions and see the embodiment and flaws or embodiment or the inner wholeness of an embodiment or simple a lingering potential. I see also some subtle bias, as I’ve been contemplating functionalism, and when I just see functional fit as an answer from an integral model, there is a polarity between functionalism and survival of the fittest and actual biological living and vitality or vitalism, most subscribe to the dominator hierachy imo of functionalism it takes any form of health and vitality out, yet yearns to integrate it in often to simplistic ways, I’ve been there and I am still integrating that, yet also it’s very much tied to discipline and umber in that sense functionalism is not as smooth, as doing a few interconnected practices and going by principles.

idk I looked at this briefly to get some historic comprehension of were some ideas stem from:

Thales of Miletus (7th to 6th century BC), known as “the father of philosophy”,[14] claimed that the first principle of all things is water,[15] and considered it as a substance that contains in it motion and change. His theory was supported by the observation of moisture throughout the world and coincided with his theory that the Earth floated on water. His ideas were influenced by the Near-Eastern mythological cosmogony and probably by the Homeric statement that the surrounding Oceanus (ocean) is the source of all springs and rivers.[16]

Anaximander argued that water could not be the arche, because it could not give rise to its opposite, fire. Anaximander claimed that none of the elements (earth, fire, air, water) could be arche for the same reason. Instead, he proposed the existence of the apeiron, an indefinite substance from which all things are born and to which all things will return.[17][18] Apeiron (endless or boundless) is something completely indefinite; and Anaximander was probably influenced by the original chaos of Hesiod (yawning abyss).

Anaximander was the first philosopher to use arche for that which writers from Aristotle onwards called “the substratum” (Simplicius Phys. 150, 22).[19] He probably intended it to mean primarily “indefinite in kind” but assumed it also to be “of unlimited extent and duration”.[20] The notion of temporal infinity was familiar to the Greek mind from remote antiquity in the religious conception of immortality and Anaximander’s description was in terms appropriate to this conception. This arche is called “eternal and ageless”. (Hippolitus I,6, I;DK B2)[21]

These are also simple questions that can be used for AQAl purposes, yet I don’t know how deeply I can integrate this, as I value the efficiency of integration and the speed a lot in this, as this is how I mostly learn, if I have to do something over and over it’s better to get rid of deterministic patterns, as the doing over and over already shows me I am training myself to be predictable, and this is not bad, yet also no the ideal scenario, there are some subtle layers tied to this, I get now more of.

Applying to a Uranus–Pluto‑type “disruption x power/structure” pattern

  • Which obsolete structures in my life/team genuinely need liberation—and which must be preserved to prevent chaos?

  • Where is creative disruption most likely to serve, and where would it recklessly burn social/ecological capital?

This is quiet good to get an integral understanding of everything, I also can ask it difficult questions of things I am yearning to do, as sex and lust has been a huge distraction ever since covid, it was very diffcult being young and finding expressions for this

WAIT it’s out wtf? I write about it yesterday and it’s out

509

Posting some 5.0 stuff, I struggled with to reinforce that type of knowledge more deeply.

Stage–state development State–stage peak experience
Your center of gravity in daily life. It’s stable, persistent, and affects your perception, meaning-making, values, and action all the time. A temporary access to a higher state through meditation, psychedelics, mystical insight, or spontaneous grace.
Integrated into all quadrants (I, We, It, Its) — not just your inner experience. May be profound, but does not restructure your baseline consciousness or behavior.
Slowly constructed through shadow integration, capacity-building, and repeated stabilizations of the state until it becomes the new normal. Fades over time unless deliberately trained into being your ongoing stage.
Example: You live from nondual awareness in everyday decision-making, relationships, work, and embodiment. Example: You have a brief nondual awakening during a retreat but still habitually operate from late-Turquoise in daily life.
510

I am going back & forth with the integral A.I to get the details, and get a proper training plan and review it, and see the capacities of what I used GPT for so far, the largest issue I faced when I did the courses and worked on myself is simply, the quality of ressources even food my body etc. required to work through stuff, also the sublte addictions of others that cause the physical body to deform itself etc.

I am quiet hyped about the releases and doing more research, yet I see more issues with people who’re just working isolated and independently, and don’t have enough creative exchange with other human beigns, and the subtelty of getting rid of a peformance mindset and improving myself with exellence, and getting rid of performative perceptions of myself, I don’t think some people are out of this and are deeply life-longely ingrained in that concept, and I am convinced some perceptions are more correct than the ones I get from the people who’re obsessed with health and other stuff. There is also the issue of the underbelly of authority and people who lost their father, idk what happend, yet I found healthy exchanges, the issue is some just can’t see through that lack and evoke it, and the more I watch them I see some issues tied to this.

I am reflecting how integral my practice actually is, also I am simply contemplating the issue of liars, and people who’re like Paul Check the guy is a serious issue imo, in the spiritual world, due to his trump perception and I saw this coming as I even partially felt this, and imo this is hugely tied to being not ressourceful enough, or let’s say the archetype of saturn not really being favourable to such people, and it’s good to objectivy them I feel this right now to see through their own lies and deceit even if there is good information etc. The issue with him is his politics for me, not what he is or does, yet his worldview etc. This soldier underbelly is a slave mentality and it’s not very healthy imo, I don’t know what to say, yet I realized it’s better to see such people as the incarnation of devil and evil and to appreciate that, as he does the same and drops very low in consciouness.

They fundamentally I noticed the more competence I gained a very low development is activated in unintegrated boomers, and I never thought someone who seemed so integrated would disappoint with politics, yet I am more used to this now, even with my own family, and I see the benefits of engaging with the essentials of being a wise fool, some are very different idk it’s an issue of performative functionalism, and anti-vitality or weird vitality notions etc.

511

I lost it thrice today I had to laugh so hard seeing the face of vishnu and thinking about heimdall and the b.s with superheros and archetypes and just my own intuition was correct, I had to laugh so hard at times like it’s unreal, synergy with some people is extremely unreal, I get the layers of it, but I upgraded myself having looked at the vishnu of reality, it’s funny I would associate Hitler because of his beard with Vishnu but not the one with the dozen of snakes at his back, the one that looks more like a stereotypical djinn it’s so funny I had to laugh at what the human mind invents at times, but I really like Vishnu I saw this also in some comedy show, and I have really really odd intuitions about myself, and I get why some people acted so weirdly, yet in the end before I looked into all of this I clearly get it why I had such intuition and how and what I contributed, yet a lot of my exellence is tied to physical health.

I am still asking the integral A.I to upgrade my framework of personal development to a teal+ level for now, and then later re-iterate, some stuff popped up, I’ve been able to look at my aunts chart and I get some clear baseline intuitions that dovetail with intuitions I had on LSD or Cannabis or simply god-consciouness making itself present via plant medicine? etc. What I notice the most is, how this dissolves the lies it caused and the issue of manipulation for money and influence and that it can karmically be positive for some seems strange, yet possible and it makes more sense, yet it will also bite them back, especially with health imo. via charting this I found out my aunt is legit a master manipulator, and some very fun stuff, that I did not get, yet it makes sense, as people are already envious about the potential of having a long-life etc. especially older folks etc.

It’s been interesting also to contemplate the pranic body and see it equal to the meridians etc. as it’s not physical in existence, and I get why I could read some more books and get back to deeper contemplations, as for now I am still working on the proper development framework with the A.I tools and getting rid of the manipulation of the aunt, it’s heavy I would not be fooled by something like this, yet this showed me why liberal politics failed, fundamentally the answer is the aunt, being pulled back into umber expressions of power and might, due to not having enough fantasy to create her own kingdom without seeing that eventually health is your own kingdom, wealth and essence of life?

There are weird notions tied to this, yet I get it more archetypally especially the tyranny of wealth is her, there is more stuff tied to this, especially the animal qi stuff and finding proper books and contemplating it would be great, and I see some issues tied to stuff where I clearly notice it’s very good to have spoken to different types of core pillars with this animal qi thing, some are completely lost, and they are fed-up about it with 60-70 to be seen as lost, uncertainity is just normal idk there are some issue with western delusions and people who’re more genuient and even if your more genuient and share, there is a huge risk for delusion getting these patterns right clearly shows me why stuff is why it is, and it clearly showed me my baseline intuition about animals, and why some are the devil in my pov, especially the issue of fire monkey underbelly and the worshipping of human form to much, and the issue of higher and lower, and the issue with fire itself etc.

512

I am questioning and refining this for hours with biases, as I consumed so many audiobooks and primed myself with so much stuff, it’s super rare to get such good reframes and a better understanding of integral theory, especially as I studied it so much and it aided my survival, and the LR survival and functional fit of all, yet since covid and due to green envy and status seeking there have been multiple regressions in terms of things receiding in my life, the languaging as I also grew, in a sense by apeing and following these insights by how I felt this would integrate itself in my life, in that sense it’s not truly apeing, yet I saw I copied and I got the sense of what it is, when I worked from the ground-up, my reality shifted a bit to strongly and some level of pace was needed, I got so high of spiritual work, I had to ground myself in reality and body, which caused other issues etc.

But this is extremely good, also this is so much:

Long Description

Your intuition is right that LR names the practice architecture and wider ecologies that help a life function: calendars, review cadences, toolchains, supply chains, standards, governance, choice architectures, and infrastructures. But Integral distinguishes this “functional fit” from functionalism. Functionalism tries to explain everything in terms of function and often collapses interiors; functional fit is simply the LR lens asking whether flows, interfaces, and feedbacks are adaptive in context.

Integral’s wholeness rests on four legs at once:

  • Upper‑Left (UL) truthfulness: Am I being sincere? Is there felt congruence and integrity?
  • Upper‑Right (UR) truth: Do behaviors and facts line up with claims? Can this be observed?
  • Lower‑Left (LL) mutual understanding: Are meanings and values shared? Do we belong?
  • Lower‑Right (LR) functional fit: Do the systems actually work—flows, interfaces, constraints, and incentives?

If any one leg is missing, the holon wobbles. You can have a perfectly “efficient” LR system that violates LL care, ignores UR facts, or contradicts UL conscience—Integral calls that a failure, not a success.

This is where objections like Deepak Chopra’s matter. Integral does not equate “fit” with “mere survival” or “optimization.” It holds value in three registers: intrinsic value (the depth and wholeness of a holon—more interior, more significance), extrinsic value (its communion/partness—how many networks depend on it), and Ground value (equal Suchness of all). LR fit is evaluated in light of these, and guided by Basic Moral Intuition: protect and promote the greatest depth for the greatest span. In concrete decisions, that means LR solutions must be regenerative (not extractive), dignity‑preserving (LL/UL), reality‑based (UR), and context‑adaptive (LR).

On “a multitude of systems creating a unique holon”: be careful with terms. An individual organism is an individual holon (with a regnant nexus, a dominant “I”); societies and ecosystems are social holons (no single “I,” but a “we/its” resonance). Many systems interlocking form an ecosystem, system‑of‑systems, or institutional field—not a larger organismic holon with a single monad. Your life is an individual holon nested in many social holons; your LR practice architecture is the ecology that helps your individual holon tetra‑mesh with those social holons.

Real‑World Examples

  • Personal practice: A meditation app (UR object) lives inside a cadence (LR), a peer circle (LL), and your intention (UL). Functional fit asks: does your cadence and toolchain actually help you sit as intended and integrate the fruits into your day, without degrading relationships or health? If it “works” but leaves you more anxious or isolates you, LR is defeating LL/UL.
  • Health system: A hospital can maximize throughput (LR) while burning clinicians out (LL/UL) and increasing readmissions (UR). Integral redesign looks for regenerative fit: shift staffing patterns and feedback loops so patient outcomes (UR), staff well‑being (UL/LL), and financial viability (LR) improve together.
  • Creative business: A studio embraces “pure intuition” (UL/LL) and collapses deadlines (LR). Teal practice brings a light LR scaffold (two‑week sprints, minimal signals, clear decision rights) that supports, not suppresses, the Muse.

How to Apply This Idea

Use an all‑quadrant fit check (five questions) 1) UL sincerity: Does this feel congruent with my deepest intention and conscience? 2) UR reality: What observable outcomes would confirm or disconfirm this is working? 3) LL care: Who is affected? Do our shared values and meanings feel honored? 4) LR fit: What interfaces, cadences, and constraints make this work in the real world? 5) BMI compass: Does this protect/promote the greatest depth for the greatest span?

Design your LR as a living ecology, not a control cage

  • Interfaces: make one handoff simpler (a checklist, a template, an API).
  • Cadence: add a humane review rhythm (weekly/biweekly) that asks for a story (UL/LL) and two signals (UR/LR). Signals‑not‑surveillance.
  • Feedback: set early/late warnings for key polarities (e.g., intuition/evidence, speed/quality) and design both/and moves.
  • Participation: co‑create LR structures with those who live in them so LL care is embedded.

Recognition Practice

When you feel “functional fit” drifting toward reductionism, pause and name:

  • The intrinsic value you’re protecting (depth, dignity, inner clarity).
  • The extrinsic value you need (reliable coordination, handoffs, logistics).
  • One LR tweak that increases fit without sacrificing intrinsic value (simplify a handoff, time‑box an experiment, change a default).
  • One LL conversation that restores meaning (share the why, listen for impacts).

Key Insights

  • Functional fit is a validity claim, not a worldview. It is necessary but never sufficient for wholeness.
  • Integral never collapses interiors into exteriors. Truthfulness (UL), truth (UR), mutual understanding (LL), and functional fit (LR) co‑arise and co‑evolve.
  • Value is triadic (intrinsic, extrinsic, Ground). LR fit is judged inside that wider moral–spiritual horizon and guided by Basic Moral Intuition.
  • Social holons are not superorganisms; they coordinate via communications, norms, and systems, not a single monad.

Common Misunderstandings

  • “Functional fit = functionalism.” No: one quadrant’s test, not a total theory.
  • “Fit = efficiency/survival.” At Integral, fit = regenerative adaptability in service of depth and span.
  • “If it works, it’s good.” Only if it also honors truthfulness (UL), truth (UR), and mutual understanding (LL).
  • “A society is a big organism.” Social holons lack a dominant “I”; they are networks of communications and roles.

Related Concepts

  • Validity claims; Intrinsic/extrinsic/Ground value; Basic Moral Intuition
  • Agency/communion; Eros/Agape; Tetra‑mesh; Zones 7–8 (inside/outside of systems)
  • System‑of‑systems, socio‑technical system, institutional field, value network

Bottom line

Call your LR “practice architecture” if that helps, but see it as an ecology designed to help your whole life tetra‑mesh—so inner sincerity, outer facts, shared meanings, and workable systems reinforce each other. Functional fit, in this Integral sense, is not a technique or a narrowing; it is the way LR reality says “yes” when your designs serve the greatest depth for the greatest span.

I am not reading everything, yet it’s good to review things and patch the frictions I see in LR I was obsessed with LR, and that was even good, and I really craved to integrate these systems of improvement the issue is the LL vibe-check, and the issues that caused for me.

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The integral A.I is very good for what I yearn to integrate, the temperature of LLM’s at times is to creative, and it’s imagination at times is like my own mind, yet to have this as a clarity tool is very good, as I got also into health topics, and I enjoyed the philosophy and principles of health, yet I see some dogma tied to stuff, and I enjoyed alchemy for instance as a process and focusing on bio-energy, pranic energy, pranic bodies and enjoying and appreciating culture, also the whole idea everything is consciouness is an idealism, I see the issues of some archetypes that I learned and I myself most likely symbolically created by projecting my own fantasies, yet I still have to work myself out of this, ranking pluralism protecting depth and creating more span, are already very good mindset and frames, and seeing how I was working with UL/LR growth and integrating more wholeness in UR and just integral understanding is very good.

This is very healing, I feel more whole, and it’s good to know there are other UR tools that provide feedback for growth, and that focus on morality as growth not idealism, there is a clear difference in maturity and I see a lot of individual behaviour tied to this stuff, and I can’t misinterpret a synchronicity for e.g

Wu Xing’s five phases can be used as lawful metaphors and somatic modes of action—water (yielding/flow), wood (growth/initiative), fire (radiance/clarity), earth (centering/nourishment), metal (precision/boundary).

This yet alone, from integral as I was also there is a huge issue with spiritual envy, and people like Leo Gura this guys undercurrent of a philosophy is fucked, even if the pointers are good, parts of his philosohpy is morally fucked. My worst tendencies I adopted by following the guy and learning from him, now it’s more as if it’s an archetypal shadow, especially the animal primal shadow and I get why I was more interested in more attenuated expressions, and why it’s so whackey in contrast to realized human beigns, and the cultural issues that move into it, that are not properly plurally ranked, and the guy is very dismissive of spiritual suchness in a sense, performing functionality is also not fitting into 4 quadrants and being an adaptable fit, and hence a whole holon, human being and person.

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When you face “spiritual envy” or people who feel like “dark entities” in pranic spaces, assume less metaphysical certainty and more Integral hygiene: attend to your own shadow and regulation, set clear boundaries, use consent, name norms, and if needed redesign or leave the container. Treat harms concretely while holding equal Suchness for all involved.

Also this!!!

One post is lost with bommeritis expressing itself as green altitude with red/amber power/status and authority seeking, that shadow is immensely active with all of this hero stuff etc. Anyhow I stop here.

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  • “If it helps survival, it’s not spiritual.” Pre/trans fallacy: confusing clean pragmatism with reductionism. The integral test is both sacredness and service.
  • “Great states equal higher stage.” State ≠ stage. Look for durable, cross-context trait shifts and prosocial impacts.
  • “Ends justify means.” No. UL truthfulness and LL dignity are non-negotiables; do not manipulate “mindfulness” for control.
  • “Data alone will convince.” UR/LR truth without UL/LL beauty and goodness lands cold; include all three value-spheres.
  • “If some dislike it, it must be wrong.” Mixed responses are normal in multi-altitude fields. Let outcomes and care speak over time.

It is more than “fine” to let mindfulness strengthen your survival capacities — it is integral, when done with clean intention and multi-quadrant translation. Lead with care and clarity, show your work, build small containers, and let the combination of beauty (UL), goodness (LL), and truth (UR/LR) demonstrate that higher states can — and should — make life safer, kinder, and more effective for everyone involved.

I wonder if my core intuition is correct, due to the issues of pranic body and the causal state experiences,

Also this!

Causal states are characterized by vast stillness, silence, and a sense of boundless dark clarity—formless awareness in which all phenomena appear and disappear. Traditions name this nirvikalpa samadhi, the Void, the Abyss, or Ayin. It often presents as “black velvet space,” utterly peaceful yet potent. Your report of being “pulled into unification of object and subject” and the feeling of “returning to nothing” matches the ego’s encounter with formless suchness. The “dark yang” quality matters: while void is often described as yin, many practitioners recognize the void’s dynamic potency—emptiness is not deadness but alive, fecund, luminous-in-its-own-way. Taoism would say wuji gives rise to taiji; Mahamudra/Dzogchen say emptiness and clarity are inseparable. Energetic pull (subtle) and vast stillness (causal) can co-arise at the threshold where identification loosens.

There is so much, even my intuitive pointing was vastly correct, yet only seeing the peak not the mountain, the mountain was the Ayin, very cool to learn this, also to learn deeply about yin and yang, I usually pulled all of that flow back into survival activities out of the memory of the peak experience, the issue is just some of this stuff, but heck I will learn and chart more, also to read and reflect.

The guy was a gift, and turned into a thorn and venmous posion, I get why I had such weird reactions with Yogis such as Sadghuru etc. on psychdelics etc. the guy is the perfect pointer I love him, even at times his deceit, as it’s just truthful and idk I just like him, yet I can’t really watch it anymore, there is more tied to it than I can think and breathe.

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Bah I am looking forward to being done, as well as continuing, the issue of being truthful and speech and the issue of authority, as well as envy, and having to create safe spaces and containers, is just a classic for the core of unhealthy functioning tribes, as well as their inabillity to fit into the larger pattern and coherence of the world, for me I notice a lot of this I had a lot of subtle rebel projections via various forms, and a lot of it was tied imo to my own developmental story and arch of life, not I am gone from identifiying with it, as I was more of a system-disrupter and re-desinger a classic more aquraious symbolism that is active.

Also another issue I found with Paul Chek and his shadow and gimmicks at times, even if his work is good for me:

“Soul” in Integral usage names the transpersonal depth between mind and Spirit—the subtle/early causal dimensions of value, vocation, and intimacy with the sacred (daimon, Bodhicitta, Shekhinah). The term is often abused when it’s used to spiritualize narcissism, sell status, or gatekeep morality.

The guy turned partially a lunatic with his Trump sublte advocacy and he 100% has some shadow issues tied to his father etc. also his programming as a solider parts of him or to westernly indoctrinated and this pagan subtle underlord current is also disgusting.

Idk what to say about this, yet it’s odd and it’s not easy to look at it and learn from a distance, yet it’s worth it, yet I don’t think the guy is on the right track anymore, just by intuition the guy is lost in his subtle soul authority loss of vacation and not properly used to it, it’s odd idk.

Eventually he does not embrace creating enough peaks to enjoy life, as I see it I also get why I intutively focused on spirit, and many do, due to the issues of boomers and the authority abusage with the term soul. It’s absolutely horrifying and disgusting, yet it is what it is.

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Soul-language gets abused for predictable developmental reasons. Amber moralism declares some people “have soul” and others don’t; Orange commodifies it (“build your soul brand”); Green romanticizes soul while flattening discernment; spiritual scenes sometimes weaponize it to claim specialness or excuse harm. Integral reframes soul as a concrete band in the Great Nest (subtle/causal) enacted in all quadrants: the felt daimon (UL), energetic/physiologic correlates (UR), shared myths/rites (LL), and the practice containers that hold it (LR). If the word is loaded, swap it for “depth,” “vocation,” or “daimon” and prove it by results: more care, truth, beauty, and functional fit.

The guy is a color red liar, especially for criminals as he has been one, idk what else to say, I am for sure not 100% clean regarding this, yet I also don’t really condem it also, it showed me a pattern of moral superiority tied to the idea of reincarnation, which clearly shows me the guy is disgusting, and I know why I heavily dislike him, yet still use his work, it disgusted me anyhow to learn from such corrupt entities to begin with, I see this also tied to two very good pranic and idk it just generally shows the immaturity of americas old underbelly, especially with authority etc. Some are just able to “stay fresh”

Developmentally, types do not equal stages. A “Tiger” at Red might show raw dominance; at Amber, code-bound courage; at Orange, competitive drive; at Green, protector of inclusion; at Teal/Turquoise, guardian-steward who designs containers where many can thrive.

I had this fundamentally, there are some metrics I am looking for to define development again, it’s good to have this as a tool, and see the holistic framework of it unfolding without the subtle racial bias that even flows into reincarnation models, some have clearly lost it with the advances and even other stuff and I’ve always been good at spotting it, yet in the end I had to realize I conformed to some of this, due to issue of stage blue developmentally, I can’t engage much in, as it causes boomeritist amber/red hiding as green, especially with glee etc.

I wonder how I will work myself out of it, also the envy of pluralism etc. I stop though I am listening to more integral theory again via audiobooks etc.

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Overall this is quite good, also to use A.I as a LR system, and naming more ploarities in my life and what it causes and creates, right now the largest issue I see personally is the issue of procrastination and the issue of human beigns not attuning and “deattuning” to a present reality given, I notice this now more with the unintegrated feminine, especially when I hear children play outside.

There is simply more to think about, then I thought I will for now not do the challenge again with sexual transmuation and I rather work on integrating some systems and simply doing shadow work with the a.i and clear the difference between therapy needed and not needed boundaries etc.

Just using integral stuff and what I learned and a.i and reflecting more on systems a lot of archetypal work brought me growth, using the tools here and seeing what I can do with it might be smarter than other stuff. As well as I get a way to reframe the whole system and work more with just using systems and integrating the LR again, and seeing some of the biases and why they popped up in the relationship etc. as well as get more focused on themes and cycles, the feedback is very good to work on arcehtypes I can’t make it as original as I want it to yet, but this definitely should be good there are to many shadow issues tied to stuff, and I am enacting to many changes where I notice balancing the polarity is the better choice and idea and working again with integral frameworks and ideas to integrate that into my own life

I also manifested stuff that way, so idk what happens, it’s odd but for me it worked, also getting a sense of polarties will allow me to navigate reality with higher levels of clarity, abundance and precision, especially holistic precision and finding the easiest way for compounding effects etc. and seeing the impact, sexual energy to be converted without having the neccessary baseline skill to work with it was sort of wasted energy, I did a 88 day challenge and it worked, yet I am not very good at taking that energy and creating something creative, physically yes, if I can use that energy to transmute that energy physically yes, visually I am mostly deconstructing, and when I get into the regenerative process with meditation I get different outcomes, the only difference is physical reality, and the issue I am mapping with this as performance I found out so many issue with performative sex, due to functionalism and just doing it that way and getting rid of believes with a 3-2-1 process is smooth, healthy and farily observable, and having archetypal tools such as tarot insight and bazi knowledge will also help etc.

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Alright I asked the a.i plenty for clarifications, now I can get back to actually working, if I consider karma and what I perceive some will delude themselves, yet fundamentally ranking in terms of karmic events be it pre-dated or based on synchronistic events and destinies, especially the love frequencies I had in relationships, I downregulated my experienced to hit a teal/turqouise need I felt, yet I am more prone to getting subtle/causal states, yet I would require to reflect more, I did some key things, timers, regulations, creating the archetypal lense and deepening it.

I am including teas, protocoals (not quiet yet I am figuring that out) and time-horizions, time-boxes and hence give myself containers and conditions to work with, and to grow, there has been a lot of unintegrated shaming from online communities, where reflections sessions with A.I are practically mandatory, as peope are very rigid in their views and experiene, and my open-heartedness has been wounded, also due to some issues tied to hedonic pleasure, I contemplated a few of these archetypal meanings and happenings, and also research abillity of real v.s fake news etc. seem to get better with the a.i models, as well as working with the pranic elemental qi body, the point if it ressonating has to hit AQAl and tetra-mesh, also upgrading things I’ve been good at is good and to reflect that polarity more deeply.

The A.I here is a bit biased to the protocol of what it ascirbes for change, yet I let it evaluate my systems meta-structure in order to tell me it’s center and gravity and see how it works, especially archetypally etc. etc. It’s very good, yet there are some loop holes I bet for hardcore integralists.

I fundamentally discoverd the depth of shared we-space and how a bond can have different levels and express itself at different stages & states and reflected upon my experiences, I’ve mostly moved as I had a lot of non-dual flow experiences as a kid, towards that type of depth, just knowing Arjin is a legit term as dark vortex etc. Also creates a lot of clarity etc. Working archetypally and choosing Shinzen is also good in terms of psychic abillities etc. as they come as a tetra-flow state during that time, yet I saw and see my karma dissolve. What I notice the most is how reviwng my practice makes it cleaner and balance the polarity of harmony and disharmony etc. Even what I did symbollically makes more sense, instead to dismiss it and working in that way, my parents provided me with a lot of deity/archetypal subtle/causal etc. etc. love not the gross-subtle awe love, that was “cheap” to my family partially if I trust this intuition, yet also a fear based-exploration ground, due to the subtle corruption love entails idk why this is so, but it’s in my consciouness.

Otherwise it’s immense to contemplate how shame works and how advanced I worked with myself, I still have to see how all of this weaves together this gave me good ideas to work professionally with the framework I was building and it was partially to concerte not system-enmeshed enough while being simple, especially the point of turning states into traits actively, and not negating the idea of spirituality will enhance your survival, the issue is manipulation and classic hinderance were we require LR containers with law etc. to set conditions, overall I notice deeper integration of the insights of these stages and health topics, and just the blueprints I am getting and intuitions that turn out true when I check the “metaphysical-systems”, what I notice is mostly that projection often does exactly what it projects onto others, I am becoming better at spotting liars also, idk if it’s an effect of the pranayama.

This is quiet good, yet some of the joy in spirit or joie de vivre is gone, as it was also conditional, especially with money etc. and some negative beliefs etc. of people and simply the manipulation of mind etc. There are stage clashes of the different expression of the same stages, for e.g performance v.s achievement or construction v.s deconstruction etc. are two polarities that exist within the same stage IIRC this is correct, and the biggest hinderance at times for me is security v.s growth, etc. I am contemplating more polarities and let’s see where this goes! Especially also the SSC’s work in the background as swift repair, and I did not think swift repair when I see myself as an oraganism etc. feels so good, it feels awesome. Expansion & Contraction are two things I see alchemically also more now, even within science and elements by wisdom of intuitions, yet I am learning now only more of it, a lot of it has been demonized and I wonder if we get an actual sciecne of healing arts, humanity deserves that 100%.

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I continue to test the A.I here, I’ve fundamentally am facing some issues for years I would really like to get help on and I looked at different tools I made some distinctions while sleeping also listening to the new wholeness audiobook, and noticed some key things opening mostly the issue and the denial that family interactions and interactions with LR structures have been very traumatic with me and sensetizing, also due to a lot of issues within science & the whole idea of race that I was and am partially often confronted with at times reemerge and the goodness of the LL tribe makes it very important, there have been many interests of many and even if they have lower level correlates it’s important to make the distinction the largest issue I faced recentely in LR structure is the denial of scientific racism, and that type of science etc, especially how it affected cultural norms, just listening to the idea of opening-up and having a yearning for wholeness reframes a lot of things.

The point is I am hyper-sensetive even when I train vagal tone and do my best to work with all of these physical bodies and pranic bodies expressions and I find new creative ways to work with them a feedback tool that is more interactive and integrative than a book is required. I realized, through development and interacting in whole groups, especially decentralzied there have been a lot of stuff and the largest issue I have due to having a lot of boomer/x’er generation overlap LL types of shadow passings, it’s this amber-mythic role and naive hedonism at times that there are some issues with authority presenting itself at green that devalues authority etc.

I am asking the A.I some quesitons, yet I really can’t seem to sleep listening to anything of this technical stuff anymore, the best thing is having a tool to evaluate integral progress besides books, books are good, yet there are so many interpretations etc. and more questions having a probabilitic driven by also depending on depth of the model algorithms that map from mathematical intelligence up to the level of teal is quiet good or even just post-modern etc. Ultimately, having something that shows me the terriory and not relying blindly on experience to blindly lead the blind is not good, also the level of regresses even my own to amber stuff, is stuff I’d like to question etc.

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This is good as a reflection this is partially how I felt when I inherited a lot of money and was able to do peak development and integrate, yet the issue was an infrared perspective, and the issue of the aunt etc.

I will ask a few more questions and then get started for the day, the A.I tools here provide more clarity than the audibooks, as the books don’t allow for interpreative questions and multitude of levels active, especially audiobooks are very limited to creating ideas only, I even stopped and wrote stuff down etc. Just putting a large brain dump into the A.I and taking out the essentials and working on refining the essentials is a good approach or vice-versa listening to one chapter etc. and asking about that one key thing that creates wholeness etc.

I will do it this way, I can’t really sleep listening to technical books, often the benefit of an audiobook is it comes alive in transit others just create the magic of sleep etc. I also can only somehow sleep if the author speaks the book idk